Turnbull China Bikeride/Turnbull China Bikeride - Disc 2.iso/BARNET/FREENET/SAWLE/1998/1998

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#! rmail 1562
From: [e-mail] (Ian Hinder)
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:34:56 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Chris Manning <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Ian Hinder <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > With 1.10, does anyone else get two iconbar icons appearing on
> > startup?
>
> It seems that Messenger has difficulty in accepting that its icon has the
> number 0.

Perhaps Messenger is using a value of '0' to mean 'not created'.  This
is more likely than the res file being out of date, because I deleted
my existing version and installed the complete 1.10 package from the
web site.  This was because I was getting weird postmortems (I think
they were divisions by zero, but I can't remember) when trying to
display things in certain zap fonts in Messenger windows.  Deleting
and reinstalling seemed to fix this, so perhaps one of the upgrade
archives was incomplete, or incorrect.

--
I a n  H i n d e r
[e-mail]


#! rmail 3714
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:36:22 +0000
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----


In message <[e-mail]>
          Andreas Weise <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Martin Tillman <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]
> > There is support for this in the form of Tony Hopstaken's AutoCrypt.

> Havent tried it yet, but will do next.

> It seemed to me that it is a useful programm, but it is running with
> messenger ?

> I have the version, 0751 (01.11.97).

Ah, I have 0.80-18 (27 Oct 97).  It supports clearsigning and encryption of
mail, and a first attempt to deal with news.

IIRC this was more or less specifically for me to test with Messenger.  Why
not drop Tony a line expressing your interest?

[snip]
> I Think the encoding is easy,
[snip]

Yes, it probably is - although you may ask *when* a message is PGP'd, i.e.
when it's saved to the queue, in which case, what about re-editing it?  And
what about your file copy?  PGP'd or not?

> To decrypt I can emagine, theres an option in Messenger which is called
> UUdecode. So we only have to give the name to PGP and write "pgp -d" or
> something else.

U-huh...

> Maybe a shortcut can be programmed, so that u simply press CTRL-P and it
> decodes the current text.

Mmmm...

> But what to do with the text ? If u want the text decoded every time, u
> have to save it again, else left it how it was.

What indeed.

And what about replying to it?  It'll need to be decrypted in order to
quote it.

It could get very messy!

AutoCrypt decrypts articles when they're debatched, but it seems to me
better to leave it until the last possible moment, i.e. when you read them.
But that appears to need some sort of scheme to write back the decrypted
message to Newsbase (and delete the encrypted one?).  Then, what about
verifying signatures in news or mail?  And so on - and on, and on...


[snip]
> One day later.... :-)

> I ve done a few tests this morning to encrypt or sign a message.

> Its done like this :

[snip]
> Ok, I take this mail, put it to crypter (by saving), sign it there and
> put it back in Stronged. There I delete the unsigned text and save the
> signed text to be send.

> OK, I hope its clear now.

> This kind of doing the encryption is very much work.

It most certainly is!

But this is where we came in, and Richard Atterer's Zap commands posted
here on Christmas Day (what a nice pressy!).  Of course, you'll need to be
using Zap, but everyone does anyway, don't they? ;-).

You see, all I have to do now is hit <Ctrl>E to encrypt it (and I don't
need to save it anywhere, *and* the ciphertext replaces the plain text in
this very window :-) - (F8 will just undo it if I what to add more) ).

Also, <Ctrl><Shift>E will now add some stuff at the bottom...

--
m.

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Voilla!!

#! rmail 3293
From: [e-mail] (Peter Chambers)
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:06:44 +0000
Organization: NOT the Bavarian Illuminati
Subject: Re: pgp
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Martin Tillman <[e-mail]> wrote:


> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Andreas Weise <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]

> > But what to do with the text ? If u want the text decoded every time, u
> > have to save it again, else left it how it was.
>
> What indeed.
>
> And what about replying to it?  It'll need to be decrypted in order to
> quote it.
>
> It could get very messy!
>
> AutoCrypt decrypts articles when they're debatched, but it seems to me
> better to leave it until the last possible moment, i.e. when you read them.
> But that appears to need some sort of scheme to write back the decrypted
> message to Newsbase (and delete the encrypted one?).  Then, what about
> verifying signatures in news or mail?  And so on - and on, and on...

If you are going to fit PGP then you should do it properly. Otherwise it is
just a toy.

Reading the PGP docs and the book "Pretty Good Privacy" one of the rules
is "do not store plaintext *and* ciphertext".  We assume everyone has seen
the ciphertext. So only de-crypt when viewing and editing. If editing then
en-crypt after edit.

This is not easy to do ?  The interfaces are not there ?  Quite.

I understand (correct me if...) that e-mail uses a Transport Agent (TA),
a mail agent (MA) and an User Agent (UA). So taking the principle that e-mail
encryption is about securing communication between two user then the PGP
helper should work directly with the User Agent - Messenger. Only.

The interface for this deserves some thought. It is worth gaining some consensus
here. There are some issues which need answers I do not have:

- what about the other RISC-OS mailers ? should they use the same protocol ?

- do any of them provide an interface already that is worth copying ?

- what role do MIME types play here ? is support for S/MIME wanted ?

- can the mechanism of Acorn's Browser Plugin Protocol (Clan News Dec 97) be used ?

- who, if anyone, should "own" the relevent SWI chunk ?

- can all the entities ensure memory is wiped properly ?

- which entity handles the passphrase dialog box ?

Maybe this is overkill and people want a quick'n'dirty solution. I hope people
want a solution that works well enough that it will be taken up by many
Acorn developers.

Any comment ?

--
 "It has been said that an engineer is a man who can do for ten shillings
 what any fool can do for a pound; if that be so, we were certainly engineers."
 Nevil Shute, regarding the design of the R100, Slide Rule, page 63.
 PGP Key fingerprint =  C0 78 00 82 26 97 CA 68  4F DA 01 EA 86 AD 8F ED

#! rmail 938
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 00:29:14 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Following up found articles
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The automatic folder created for showing found (with NewsFind) articles
has its Follow-up button faded, which is a bit annoying. At least it's
possible to use the menu instead though.

Didn't that happen before and get fixed?

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS


#! rmail 2402
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:46:07 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Peter Chambers <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]
> If you are going to fit PGP then you should do it properly. Otherwise it
> is just a toy.

I agree it should be done properly, and rigorously, so as to not compromise
security.

[snip]
> then the PGP helper should work directly with the User Agent - Messenger.
> Only.

Yes, that would be my feeling too.

> The interface for this deserves some thought. It is worth gaining some
> consensus here. There are some issues which need answers I do not have:

> - what about the other RISC-OS mailers ? should they use the same
> protocol ?

That's up to them.  Build a really good program and it will become the
standard.  Anyway, *who* is going to force others to use any particular
method?

> - do any of them provide an interface already that is worth copying ?

There is nothing (apart from AutoCrypt).

[snip]
> Maybe this is overkill and people want a quick'n'dirty solution.

I want a proper solution, but until that comes along quick'n'dirty might
have to do.  OTOH, Richard Atterer's Zap commands are a great first step
(for Zap users ;-) ) which sidesteps the issue completely!

> I hope people want a solution that works well enough that it will be
> taken up by many Acorn developers.

I'm amazed that people put up with such an open system.  It's partly to do
with thinking that it's secure (or not bothering to think about security at
all) and partly because it's not been raised into the public's
consciousness because PGP isn't incorporated as standard kit.

For instance, the best way for me to buy a piece of software (or hardware)
is by emailing the supplier my credit card number in a PGP'd message.  What
are the chances of me finding their public key anywhere?

--
m.


#! rmail 1418
From: [e-mail] (Ruth Gunstone)
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:36:05 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Problem replying to newsgroups
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When I try to reply to a newsgroup article, all goes well until
I click on "Post", where I get the message
 "Message rejected, no article body, returning to sender."
even though there obviously is an article body.

Any suggestions as to what is wrong please?

Using Messenger 1.10, Newsbase 0.59f, Zap 1.39b

--
Ruth Gunstone        ||          A discerning computer user,             ||
                     ||       therefore a StrongArm RiscPC User.         ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||  Web-Site: http://www.bolsterstone.demon.co.uk/  ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||   Member of the Wakefield Acorn Computer Group   ||
                     ||        (Opinions expressed are MINE ALONE)       ||


#! rmail 857
From: [e-mail] (John Evans)
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:59:25 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Wish List
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Is there supposed to be any way to get a receipt when sending mail. I know
TTFN managed this somehow.

Also a good feature would be to delete a message without confirmation and automatically displaying the next one.

Congrats on my now favourite mail reader.

John

#! rmail 983
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:57:56 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Automatic moving to next group
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I seem to be on several mailing lists that only have a couple of new
messages at a time, so I spend a lot of time opening and closing groups.
An option to move onto the next group when you click the next message
button on the last message in a group would be helpful.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
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#! rmail 1124
From: [e-mail] (Rob Ives)
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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:58:03 +0000
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Subject: Multiple users and Messenger
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Hi all,
I'm a new subscriber to this list...
Could anyone tell me how to set up multiple users
using Messenger/Newsbase.
I have two internet accounts
[e-mail] - my ISP
and
[e-mail] - my commercial website
I want to be able to download form both - which Ican at the
moment but when I send from the flying-pig account
then internal email address in the message is set
to [e-mail]

Any help would be gratefully received
PS - I use ANT internet

Best wishes
- Rob
--
Rob Ives
[e-mail]
http://www.flying-pig.co.uk


#! rmail 1662
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:13:25 +0000
Organization:
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In message <[e-mail]>
          John Evans <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Is there supposed to be any way to get a receipt when sending mail. I know
> TTFN managed this somehow.

ZapEmail can do this, if you have header editing enabled in Messenger. Either
press Ctrl-Escape and type "Email_ReturnReceiptTo", or click on the "RCPT"
button.

(0.21 (1 Jan) now available from <URL:http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>, in the
update archive)

> Also a good feature would be to delete a message without confirmation and
> automatically displaying the next one.

Automatically display the next one, yes (configurably), but no confirmation?
I'm not sure that that's a good idea.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Season ticket | free mail, news
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   Z80Em and 6502Em Support Packs. AY sound support.

The bugs in your program are unfixable in the time it takes to fix them.


#! rmail 1205
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:24:16 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Darren Salt <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           John Evans <[e-mail]> wrote:
[snip]

> > Also a good feature would be to delete a message without confirmation
> > and automatically displaying the next one.

> Automatically display the next one, yes (configurably), but no
> confirmation? I'm not sure that that's a good idea.

It would be a good idea if it wasn't a real delete (therefore undo-able)
until some while later - like when closing the group...

--
m.


#! rmail 1937
From: [e-mail] (Chris Sawer)
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:26:45 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Messenger 1.10
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Apologies if this has already been said, as I have only been on this list a
few days, but I am having a few problems with the Messenger 1.10 upgrade,
when installed on top of Messenger 1.02.

Firstly, when I log in (via the icon bar, or by clicking on the icon), I get
two icons on the icon bar - one with "root" (or whatever) underneath, as
expected, and one with "Messenger" underneath. This second icon doesn't seem
to do anything, and the only way to get rid of it is to quit messenger via
the other icon. I'm using Newsbase 0.59g and Zap 1.35, BTW.

The second problem is a bit more important to me, and is the main reason that
I've reverted to Messenger 1.02. When I go to the "Message display" choices
window, and try and select a bitmap font other than the system font, an error
message appears, saying "Directory 'ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!Zap.Fonts04x06'
not found".                           No, there is no full stop here ^
It is obviously trying to get the fonts from Zap, and runs into problems. If
I put Zap in a different directory, however, and reboot my computer (so Zap
hasn't been seen), a different error message comes up; "File name
'ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Internet.!Messenger.Fonts.' not recognized". Basically, I
can't read newsgroups and e-mails in 08x16.X :-(

Are these bugs, or am I doing something stupid? Thanks for any help.

Chris
--

Chris Sawer

([e-mail])



#! rmail 956
From: [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra)
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:13:19 +0000
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Hello,
When I get a message it looks like the system generates a automatic
reply like

>>Subject: SIGNON newsbase.1
>>Precedence: bulk
>>Message-ID: <[e-mail]1>
>>Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:53:05 +0000
>>X-Mailer: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f [automailer]
>>
>>l.zwemstra is away

how is this message generated
how can I stop the generating of these messages

Thanks
Bert Zwemstra
Kruisstraat 18
2611 mj delft


#! rmail 1936
From: [e-mail] (Chris Sawer)
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:18:14 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Messenger 1.10
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Apologies if this has already been said, as I have only been on this list a
few days, but I am having a few problems with the Messenger 1.10 upgrade,
when installed on top of Messenger 1.02.

Firstly, when I log in (via the icon bar, or by clicking on the icon), I get
two icons on the icon bar - one with "root" (or whatever) underneath, as
expected, and one with "Messenger" underneath. This second icon doesn't seem
to do anything, and the only way to get rid of it is to quit messenger via
the other icon. I'm using Newsbase 0.59g and Zap 1.35, BTW.

The second problem is a bit more important to me, and is the main reason that
I've reverted to Messenger 1.02. When I go to the "Message display" choices
window, and try and select a bitmap font other than the system font, an error
message appears, saying "Directory 'ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!Zap.Fonts04x06'
not found".                           No, there is no full stop here ^
It is obviously trying to get the fonts from Zap, and runs into problems. If
I put Zap in a different directory, however, and reboot my computer (so Zap
hasn't been seen), a different error message comes up; "File name
'ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Internet.!Messenger.Fonts.' not recognized". Basically, I
can't read newsgroups and e-mails in 08x16.X :-(

Are these bugs, or am I doing something stupid? Thanks for any help.

Chris
--

Chris Sawer

([e-mail])


#! rmail 956
From: [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra)
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Hello,
When I get a message it looks like the system generates a automatic
reply like

>>Subject: SIGNON newsbase.1
>>Precedence: bulk
>>Message-ID: <[e-mail]1>
>>Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:53:05 +0000
>>X-Mailer: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f [automailer]
>>
>>l.zwemstra is away

how is this message generated
how can I stop the generating of these messages

Thanks
Bert Zwemstra
Kruisstraat 18
2611 mj delft


#! rmail 2548
From: [e-mail] (Ian Hinder)
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:26:28 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.10
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Sawer) wrote:

> Apologies if this has already been said, as I have only been on this list a
> few days, but I am having a few problems with the Messenger 1.10 upgrade,
> when installed on top of Messenger 1.02.
>
> Firstly, when I log in (via the icon bar, or by clicking on the icon), I get
> two icons on the icon bar - one with "root" (or whatever) underneath, as
> expected, and one with "Messenger" underneath. This second icon doesn't seem
> to do anything, and the only way to get rid of it is to quit messenger via
> the other icon. I'm using Newsbase 0.59g and Zap 1.35, BTW.
>
> The second problem is a bit more important to me, and is the main reason that
> I've reverted to Messenger 1.02. When I go to the "Message display" choices
> window, and try and select a bitmap font other than the system font, an error
> message appears, saying "Directory 'ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!Zap.Fonts04x06'
> not found".                           No, there is no full stop here ^
> It is obviously trying to get the fonts from Zap, and runs into problems. If
> I put Zap in a different directory, however, and reboot my computer (so Zap
> hasn't been seen), a different error message comes up; "File name
> 'ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Internet.!Messenger.Fonts.' not recognized". Basically, I
> can't read newsgroups and e-mails in 08x16.X :-(
>
> Are these bugs, or am I doing something stupid? Thanks for any help.

I had exactly the same problems.  The double icon problem is already
known about and has been discussed already, although I don't think
I've heard from Mark about it.  To fix the other problem, delete your
current version of Messenger and install the 1.10 archive from the
website.  I think there must have been a problem with the update that
did something to the bitmap fonts.   This worked for me.

--
I a n  H i n d e r
[e-mail]



#! rmail 1213
From: [e-mail] (Richard Sharpe)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:09:24 +0000
Organization: sharpsoft
Subject: Setting up Messenger/Newsbase with ANT
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:34:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

I have recently acquired a copy of the ANT itnernet suite.  I am not ecstatic I have to say.  Having been using Acornet for the best part of a year now the price of ANT seems eccessive and Marcel is several steps backward from Messenger/Newsbase.

I have therefore been trying to set up Messenger/Newsbase to run with
the ANT transport and have run into difficulties.  Whenever Messenger
is run I get the message File '.Messenger' not found.  Newsbase loads
happily but Messenger is having none of it.  Can anybody help?
--
Richard Sharpe

e-mail    :  [e-mail]
WWW    :  http://www.camberwell5.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 1349
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:38:22 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: automail
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:04:49 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra) wrote:

>
> Hello,
> When I get a message it looks like the system generates a automatic
> reply like
>
> >>Subject: SIGNON newsbase.1
> >>Precedence: bulk
> >>Message-ID: <[e-mail]1>
> >>Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:53:05 +0000
> >>X-Mailer: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f [automailer]
> >>
> >>l.zwemstra is away
>
> how is this message generated
> how can I stop the generating of these messages

This looks like Newsbase's vacation handler. Go to the 'Local user
mangement' window from Newsbase's icon bar icon. Select User 'l.zwemstra'
and click 'Edit'. Click on the red cross next 'Vacation'.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]


#! rmail 1272
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:44:10 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.10
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:41:52 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Ian Hinder) wrote:

> I had exactly the same problems.  The double icon problem is already known
> about and has been discussed already, although I don't think I've heard
> from Mark about it.

Yeah, sorry about that.  I fixed it a couple of weeks ago but then got
carried away with the MIME stuff and forgot to release it.

V1.11 containing this fix, and a few others, is now available.  Subscribers
to msgrbinary should receive this upgrade automatically.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1254
From: [e-mail] (Brian Matthews)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:49:14 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Messenger 1.11
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:32:25 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

Thanks to Mark for his latest release of Messenger.

A couple of things I've noticed are:-

1..If you double click the Reader icon in 'Frontend' (by accident)
   you end up with TWO copies of Messenger on the iconbar. I don't
   recall this happening with other releases.

2..If when reading an INBOX article, and you try to re-size the viewer
   (smaller), the page shoots in a North Easterly direction, almost
   off the screen, after which you have to re-start Messenger :-(

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Matthews (Home: Wrexham/N.Wales/UK) mailto:[e-mail]
------------------------------------------------------------------------



#! rmail 1552
From: [e-mail] (E Abrahams)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:48:58 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.11
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:00:30 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Brian Matthews) wrote:

> Thanks to Mark for his latest release of Messenger.
>
> A couple of things I've noticed are:-
>
> 1..If you double click the Reader icon in 'Frontend' (by accident)
>    you end up with TWO copies of Messenger on the iconbar. I don't
>    recall this happening with other releases.

On an older version of Messenger I had a problem like this.  When clicked on,
it would not load up.  It had to be clicked on again, which sometimes loaded
up two copies.....
BUT...it does say in the Readme file for version 1.11 this bug was one of the ones that had been fixed.....

>
> 2..If when reading an INBOX article, and you try to re-size the viewer
>    (smaller), the page shoots in a North Easterly direction, almost
>    off the screen, after which you have to re-start Messenger :-(

Humm....!
>

--
Eytan Abrahams.....
[e-mail]



#! rmail 1255
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:19:22 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: automail
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:35:21 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra) wrote:

[snip]
>>> X-Mailer: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f [automailer]
>>>
>>> l.zwemstra is away
>
> how is this message generated how can I stop the generating of these
> messages

I'd say that you have accidentally set Newsbase's Vacation Handler. Have
a look in Local Users in Control Panel. Select user "l.zwemstra" and
click Edit. Click on the "X" at the top right of the Modifying window to
delete the vacation handler.

HTH, etc...
--
Brian Howlett, Inverness, Scotland
----------------------------------
Free the Indianapolis 500!



#! rmail 1876
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:24:05 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.11
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:17:18 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (E Abrahams) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Brian Matthews) wrote:
>
> > 1..If you double click the Reader icon in 'Frontend' (by accident)
> >    you end up with TWO copies of Messenger on the iconbar. I don't
> >    recall this happening with other releases.
>
> On an older version of Messenger I had a problem like this.  When clicked
> on, it would not load up.  It had to be clicked on again, which sometimes
> loaded up two copies..... BUT...it does say in the Readme file for version
> 1.11 this bug was one of the ones that had been fixed.....

This isn't the 'bug' that was fixed.  The ReadMe refers to the problem where
one copy of Messenger would sometimes install two icons on the icon bar.
What Brian is referring to is that, from V1.10 onwards, it is possible to
have multiple copies of Messenger running because it no longer defaults to
spooling its error output to a file.  This is intentional.

Not that it's particularly wise to have more than one copy running at once
mind you!

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1459
From: [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:33:54 +0000
Organization: Newly installed mail & news reader!
Subject: Re: automail
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:21:42 GMT
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:19:22 +0000, [e-mail] said:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra) wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >>> X-Mailer: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f [automailer]
> >>>
> >>> l.zwemstra is away
> >
> > how is this message generated how can I stop the generating of these
> > messages
>
> I'd say that you have accidentally set Newsbase's Vacation Handler. Have
> a look in Local Users in Control Panel. Select user "l.zwemstra" and
> click Edit. Click on the "X" at the top right of the Modifying window to
> delete the vacation handler.
>
> HTH, etc...

Thanks for your quick answer
also thanks to Fred Bambrough
I know now how to solve my problem
I should have had a longer look before
writing this message

Bert Zwemstra
Kruisstraat 18
2611 mj delft


#! rmail 992
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:20:41 +0000
Organization:
Subject: A silly in 'reply to all'
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:13:29 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

Basically, if I don't edit the Cc: line, I'll be sending mail to myself...

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | free mail, news | Season ticket | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | BBC Master
|   Never reply to spam, not even to say 'remove'

Anarchist health warning: Government may seriously restrict your freedom.



#! rmail 1865
From: [e-mail] (Peter Chambers)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:36:33 +0000
Organization: NOT the Bavarian Illuminati
Subject: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:24:32 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

Just a couple of things which I only dare mention to help !Messenger
become the best User Agent in the world.

1.  Cancel.
    Suppose that you have posted something which you wish to delete.
    It might be someone forging your posts or a hideous error of fact (eg. A).
    Usenet supports a cancel mechanism which could do with support from
    the user agent - subject to checks like "own posts only" to cut down
    on abuse.


2.  Supersede.
    Similar argument to 1. One may wish to improve on an earlier post
    and save USENET the storage of a repeated post. Your earlier errors
    corrected and smoothed over with more up to date errors.


Example A.
Suppose you posted that Manchester *City* were a great football team.
You *of course* meant United. Rather than have 13 billion usenet users
think that you were sadly mis-informed about things you might want to
delete the post. Quickly. After you had made the mistake. That's usenet
for you - better than conversation, isn't it ?

--
 "It has been said that an engineer is a man who can do for ten shillings
 what any fool can do for a pound; if that be so, we were certainly engineers."
 Nevil Shute, regarding the design of the R100, Slide Rule, page 63.
 PGP Key fingerprint =  C0 78 00 82 26 97 CA 68  4F DA 01 EA 86 AD 8F ED


#! rmail 2170
From: [e-mail] (Toby Smith)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:51:39 +0000
Organization: Toby's Risc PC 700 using SOUP
Subject: All groups in Newsreader.
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:54:20 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

Sorry, but you've whetted my apetite now!

I'm mentally torn between liking the single window with all groups approach
of TTFN, and also liking the separation of news into a separate window (now
that I'm less of a news reader, frankly).

However, what I miss is easy access to my Folder collection, into which I
have rather a lot of filtered mail types (as distinct from mailling lists)

The new facility to show all the groups (mail, folder, news) in the
newsreader window is nice, but as ever, I'd like more.

I'd like to be able to see my folder groups, and to a lesser extent mailling
lists in my mailer window (I use the multiple mailboxes mode, not the inbox
viewer mode, which this obviously wouldn't fit with). I tend to consider
Mail, Folders and Mailling Lists together, with news being a less common
habit.

Woudl it be possible to extend the 'all groups in newsreader' theory to be a
bit more configurable - a choice of where to (additionally) show each group
type as follows

Mail & News should obviously always appear in their own sections, but it
might be nice to show folders in either Mail, News or both (or neither and
just in the folders viewer) and to be able to pick (either or) which one
Mailling Lists appeared in.

Oh - and I'm after that moon on a stick idea too!

Keep up the good work Mark!

--
Toby Smith - [e-mail] - http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~tcs
Membership Secretary & Pocket Book Columnist for The ARM Club.
All facts disclaimed, all opinions biased, all whisky bottles empty.
.... Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice.


#! rmail 1180
From: [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:36:41 +0000
Organization: Many mostly music
Subject: Re: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:30:57 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Just a couple of things which I only dare mention to help !Messenger
> become the best User Agent in the world.
>
> 1.  Cancel.

Try typing ^X, or choose Message->Cancel from the Messenger menu

BTW, this !Messenger/!POP/!NewsHound/!Newsbase is really great stuff :-))

cheers
--
Alex Bach Andersen, free-lance conductor
NodeSats/MusicTypesetting - Acorn RISC PC 600 - unARMed
Copenhagen, Denmark http://home6.inet.tele.dk/alexbach/
.... DOS is just an operating system that runs Windows 3.1



#! rmail 1029
From: [e-mail] (Alisdair McDiarmid)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:06:36 +0000
Organization: Illusion Software
Subject: Bouncey
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:37:59 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

Has bounce been implemented yet? It would be extremely useful, as forward
doesn't work very usefully (the headers and sig are snipped).

Making sure that the ReSent-From: etc. headers aren't in the message body
(unlike Marcel) would be nice too.
--
Alisdair McDiarmid           |  mailto:[e-mail]
Director, Illusion Software  |  http://www.illusion.oaktree.co.uk/
2 Cedar Drive, Milton of Campsie, Glasgow, G65 8AY. Tel: [phone]



#! rmail 1813
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:21:14 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: Bouncey
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:02:31 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Has bounce been implemented yet? It would be extremely useful, as
> forward doesn't work very usefully (the headers and sig are snipped).

But the solution to that is to improve forward (though bounce
is useful as well - they are two different functions, each useful
in different circumstances).

Might I suggest something like GNUS does where the subject of
the forwarded message is:

  Subject: [[e-mail]] Original subject

or

  Subject: [news.group.name] Original subject

and the forwarded message includes a selection of useful headers
and the signature, like this example from a message I fowarded to
myself from work:

------- Start of forwarded message -------
From: [e-mail] (Dirk H Hohndel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce
Subject: XSuSE: new and improved X servers
Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:46:12 GMT
Organization: S.u.S.E. GmbH
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

[snip body and signature]
------- End of forwarded message -------

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
....Evil Grin #13  <<<<<GRIN>>>>>



#! rmail 1255
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:34:34 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:04:42 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

> I've just decided to try ZapEmail with Messenger (1.10) & Newsbase
> (.59f).

> I'm having major problems.
[snip]

I expect Darren has already answered this, but...

... if you're not going to use Zap1.36beta like he's probably suggested
( ;-) ),  you could probably usefully ensure that you include the following
in the External file:

<Zap$3rdParty>.Aylett.ZapOLE *
      OLE
      -
      -
      &80E21

... and that ZapOLE is actually there!  (The ' *' is the significant
bit).

All of this is IIRC from when I set it up ages ago.

--
m.



#! rmail 1756
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:47:32 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:45:46 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

> I've just decided to try ZapEmail with Messenger (1.10) & Newsbase (.59f).

> I'm having major problems.  Although I've located a copy of OLESupport and
> loaded it and copies ZapEmail into the !Zap.3rdParty directory and set the
> Messenger.editing Choices to use OLE compliant editor when clicking on Edit
> in the Send Mail window all I get is an error 'Zap already running'
> followed by a message telling me that OLE support cannot be found.

> What am I doing wrong?  please help...

What you've done so far is correct; however, you also need to install ZapOLE
in !Zap.3rdParty. If it's not there, or the External file isn't suitably
updated, then Zap 1.35 can't respond to the OLE request.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | free mail, news | Season ticket | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | BBC Master
|   Nothing much, coming your way *soon*...

Inside every small problem is a large problem struggling to get out.



#! rmail 1031
From: [e-mail] (Mike)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:15:25 +0000
Organization: Top Gun.
Subject: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:01:20 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

Thanks to both Darren Salt & Mark Tillman for their help.  I now have Zap
running and am using it to edit my mail.  It's like working in the dark,
though, as I've not used Zap before and am used to Edit.

Maybe it's time to read that Help file:-)

Now, is there a spelling checker that works with Zap?

Cheers
--
   __ __                       _      _
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 / /|/| |/ _ `/| |/ / __\/ __/ /  __/  '_/
/_/   |_|\_,_/ |___/\___/_/ /_/\___/_/\_\



#! rmail 930
From: [e-mail] (Mike)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:15:33 +0000
Organization: Top Gun.
Subject: Re: Address Book
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:47:20 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59f

Some time ago I seem to remember Mark saying that the Address book would
automatically list in alphabetcal order.

I find that this is not the case in 1.10 or have I forgotten to set
something?

Cheers
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#! rmail 1057
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:18:23 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

[snip]
> Er, sorry but I forgot where to find Zap1.36Beta.  Please help:-)


Well, you don't need it, but if you want it...

<http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>

--
m.



#! rmail 1517
From: [e-mail] (Peter Chambers)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:25:25 +0000
Organization: NOT the Bavarian Illuminati
Subject: Re: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> > Just a couple of things which I only dare mention to help !Messenger
> > become the best User Agent in the world.
> >
> > 1.  Cancel.
>
> Try typing ^X, or choose Message->Cancel from the Messenger menu

Duh! Thanks. I was looking for a button. I should get about the menus
more.

> BTW, this !Messenger/!POP/!NewsHound/!Newsbase is really great stuff :-))

Compared to the junk at work, certainly!

--
 "It has been said that an engineer is a man who can do for ten shillings
 what any fool can do for a pound; if that be so, we were certainly engineers."
 Nevil Shute, regarding the design of the R100, Slide Rule, page 63.
 PGP Key fingerprint =  C0 78 00 82 26 97 CA 68  4F DA 01 EA 86 AD 8F ED


#! rmail 1387
From: [e-mail] (Ruth Gunstone)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:51:29 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:
[snip]
> Er, sorry but I forgot where to find Zap1.36Beta.  Please help:-)

http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/

And very good it is too!
--
Ruth Gunstone        ||          A discerning computer user,             ||
                     ||       therefore a StrongArm RiscPC User.         ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||  Web-Site: http://www.bolsterstone.demon.co.uk/  ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||   Member of the Wakefield Acorn Computer Group   ||
                     ||        (Opinions expressed are MINE ALONE)       ||



#! rmail 1058
From: [e-mail] (Alistair Munro)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:20:05 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Setting up Messenger/Newsbase with ANT
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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Richard

>I have therefore been trying to set up Messenger/Newsbase to run with
>the ANT transport and have run into difficulties.  Whenever Messenger
>is run I get the message File '.Messenger' not found.  Newsbase loads
>happily but Messenger is having none of it.  Can anybody help?

I had this prob too.
I found that if !Messenger was "Booted" before Internet suite I had this
message.
Try hiding Messenger where the filer cannot see it until you have run
!InetSuite

Alistair.


#! rmail 1179
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:36 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

[snip]
> Er, sorry but I forgot where to find Zap1.36Beta.  Please help:-)

<URL:http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>, and it's 1.39.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Season ticket | free mail, news
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   I don't ask for much, just untold riches...

Complete and utter lie: "You'll never fill all that memory."



#! rmail 1871
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:43 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Chambers) wrote:

>Just a couple of things which I only dare mention to help !Messenger
>become the best User Agent in the world.
[Snip Peter's - these are mine!!!]

It's great how clicking on a URL in Messenger will fire up your browser
and start attempting to fetch the web site, but if you are reading your
mail/news off-line you may not want to do this immediately on reading the
message. What I do if I see URL's I may want to visit is file the
message(s) in a separate folder, and then re-display them during my next
session on-line. This is a long-winded way of asking for a facility
whereby say <Shift> clicking on a URL in a message would send the URL not
to a browser, but to a hot-list, for future use.

The other is more cosmetic. I would like to have a way to switch off the
interactive help display, or alternatively not have the last text remain
displayed when the pointer is moved away from the icon in question.

Once again, I can only reiterate what others here have said - it's a
great program! Thanks a lot!
--
Brian Howlett, Inverness, Scotland
----------------------------------
Sex is great, but you can't beat the real thing...



#! rmail 1256
From: [e-mail] (Glyn Royds)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:16:52 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:15:25 +0000 Mike said:

> Now, is there a spelling checker that works with Zap?
>
> Cheers

There certainly is - it's also on the mandala site (probably in
zmods.zip) but you will need the spell module from Impression.
At present its only drawback is that it can't guess at a list
of possible words for an incorrect one (but blame CC for that).

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#! rmail 1673
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:54:17 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

> Thanks to both Darren Salt & Mark Tillman for their help.  I now have Zap
> running and am using it to edit my mail.  It's like working in the dark,
> though, as I've not used Zap before and am used to Edit.

Welcome to the *real* editor :-)

It is one hell of a learning curve, though.  I've learnt just about enough
to be able to sort of use it.  Actually, the most useful Zap resource is
Darren's email address ;-).

> Now, is there a spelling checker that works with Zap?

Certainly is!  You need ZapSpell which comes with Zap 1.36, or get it from
Tim Tyler's site if you've got 1.35.  It uses the Impression Spell module.
If you don't have a version of Impression, Impression Junior is now free
and I think the help file with ZapSpell indicates where you can get it
from.

Alternatively, there's David Pilling's !Spell which works everywhere (like
icons or anywhere the caret is).  I like it and have been using it for
ages.  10ukp well spent :-).

--
m.



#! rmail 1992
From: [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:31:38 +0000
Organization: Many mostly music
Subject: Re: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> Brian Howlett wrote:


> It's great how clicking on a URL in Messenger will fire up your browser
> and start attempting to fetch the web site, but if you are reading your
> mail/news off-line you may not want to do this immediately on reading the
> message. What I do if I see URL's I may want to visit is file the
> message(s) in a separate folder, and then re-display them during my next
> session on-line. This is a long-winded way of asking for a facility
> whereby say <Shift> clicking on a URL in a message would send the URL not
> to a browser, but to a hot-list, for future use.

When I find interesting URL's in messages, I mark the messages unread, close
the display down, load !ArcWeb, open the message display again, open the
first message, get online, click the URL, and there you go.

It would however be nice to have some way of sending the URL's to a hot-list
instead of directly to the browser.

A little off-topic: Is there something to do about the !SLIPDial - if I want
to perform several online sessions, I have to Quit !SLIPDial and re-load it
again to prevent the machine from freezing.

cheers,
--
Alex Bach Andersen, free-lance conductor
NodeSats/MusicTypesetting - Acorn RISC PC 600 - unARMed
Copenhagen, Denmark http://home6.inet.tele.dk/alexbach/
.... KLEPTOMANIA!  Take something for it!



#! rmail 1271
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:37:01 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

> It would however be nice to have some way of sending the URL's to a
> hot-list  instead of directly to the browser.

Allow URLs to be dragged as a text file like ArcWeb does would
be sufficient in fact - that way I can just drag it into the
URLs file I keep in my hard disc instead of having to type it
in by hand.

Alternatively you could drag it to a hotlist app to add it to
the hotlist. All in all a simple solution.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
....To use violence is to already be defeated.


#! rmail 1420
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:47:48 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:
>
> > It would however be nice to have some way of sending the URL's to a
> > hot-list  instead of directly to the browser.
>
> Allow URLs to be dragged as a text file like ArcWeb does would
> be sufficient in fact - that way I can just drag it into the
> URLs file I keep in my hard disc instead of having to type it
> in by hand.
>
> Alternatively you could drag it to a hotlist app to add it to
> the hotlist. All in all a simple solution.

In the mean time, I click on the URL, stop the browser attempting to fetch
then click on add to hotlist.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]


#! rmail 1087
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:02:53 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: MIME Support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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If there's anybody out there who receives a lot of MIME mail and would be
able to give Messenger's forthcoming MIME support a thorough testing, or
anybody who just happens to be an expert on the MIME RFCs, then please let me
know (privately) and I'll consider adding you to the beta testers mailing
list.  A preliminary release of the MIME code will hopefully be made
available via this list within the next week or so.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1172
From: [e-mail] (Andreas Halkiadakis)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:38:06 +0000
Organization:
Subject: LaserDirect
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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Could anyone please help this novice in the RiscPC-600 environment?
I have (from A5000) the CC's LaserDirect (Issue 2.1) card which is
correct in No1 Expancion card slot of my RiscPC-600. Also I was suplied
the !Printers 1.28c from Acorn and (I hope) I have install correctly.
Byt I can't print with Canon LBP4+. Who knows something?-)#

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#! rmail 1537
From: [e-mail] (Robin Moffatt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:38:14 +0000
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Ursa Minor Beta
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

> Thanks to both Darren Salt & Mark Tillman for their help.  I now have Zap
> running and am using it to edit my mail.  It's like working in the dark,
> though, as I've not used Zap before and am used to Edit.
>
> Maybe it's time to read that Help file:-)

Keep at it - you will find Zap *sooooo* much nicer to use :)

> Now, is there a spelling checker that works with Zap?

Yup - ZapSpell, or something really original like that ;) IIRC it works with
the Impression spelling directorys. It's probably availble from
www.mandela.co.uk (Is that the right address?)

Cheers,

Robin
--
|D     |\/|       ** http://bounce.to/Robin/ ** Sheffield, UK **
|\obin |  |offatt **   [e-mail]   ** Horn Player   **

City of Sheffield Youth Orchestra - http://www.moffatt.demon.co.uk/cyso/


#! rmail 1191
From: [e-mail] (Robin Moffatt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:38:23 +0000
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Ursa Minor Beta
Subject: Request
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
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What I want what I really really want......<grin>

Is to be able to click on a message-ID (eg. in message
<[e-mail]> so and so wrote) to be taken to that message.
Or to be able to select from the Thread menu a message, and if it wasn't
available (ie. had been expired), add it to the Fetch list.

Also, is there some kind of Newshound Killfile interface in the pipeline?

TIA,

Robin
--
|D     |\/|       ** http://bounce.to/Robin/ ** Sheffield, UK **
|\obin |  |offatt **   [e-mail]   ** Horn Player   **

The Mark Veneklasen Horn - http://www.moffatt.demon.co.uk/horn/vhorn.html


#! rmail 1376
From: [e-mail] (Ian Macfarlane)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:24:15 +0000
Organization: Macfarlane Thirsk Limited
Subject: Re: wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> Brian Howlett wrote:

[snip here]
> > .................. This is a long-winded way of asking for a facility
> > whereby say <Shift> clicking on a URL in a message would send the URL not
> > to a browser, but to a hot-list, for future use.
>
> When I find interesting URL's in messages, I mark the messages unread, close
> the display down, load !ArcWeb, open the message display again, open the
> first message, get online, click the URL, and there you go.
>
> It would however be nice to have some way of sending the URL's to a hot-list
> instead of directly to the browser.

Yes, I could use such a facility.

--
Ian Macfarlane


#! rmail 1742
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:05:55 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Default button setting mod request
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Stewart Brodie) wrote:

> I've come to the conclusion that when I click on the Save gadget to open a
> save dialogue for a message, I'd like the initial setting of the Include
> Headers option in the dbox to default to whatever the current setting
> of the Display Headers gadget is.  That way, clicking on the Save means that
> the data that you will be saving is exactly that displayed in the viewer
> beneath the toolbar.
>
> I think it is counter-intuitive for it to default to save it without the
> headers when the headers are being shown (and it's annoyed me three times
> this week ;-)
>
> What does everybody else think?

While I keep forgetting to save with headers, I don't usually have the
headers displayed anyway, so it wouldn't make much difference to me, but
I do think it's a good idea. But on the whole I'd actually prefer the
button to default to on at all times.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
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#! rmail 1717
From: [e-mail] (Tony Cropper)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:39:34 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: LaserDirect
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Hi Andreas,

> Could anyone please help this novice in the RiscPC-600 environment?
> I have (from A5000) the CC's LaserDirect (Issue 2.1) card which is
> correct in No1 Expancion card slot of my RiscPC-600. Also I was suplied
> the !Printers 1.28c from Acorn and (I hope) I have install correctly.
> Byt I can't print with Canon LBP4+. Who knows something?-)#

I have board Issue 2.0 which i needed when I upgraded from an Archimedes to a
RiscPC. Yours is newer so the card should be ok.

The LaserDirect Printer Driver is version 4.06 (this is shown at the top of
the 'configure...' window  which you get at from the Printer Control window of
the printer driver on the icon bar. CC have just released a newer version of
this but 4.06 works fine.

Get a copy of !Printers 1.53 from Acorn's FTP site and set that up instead of
1.28 and see if it works then.

Good luck.

tony
--
tony cropper                                                bristol uk ======
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-------------------- http://www.cropp.demon.co.uk/ ------------==============
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#! rmail 1091
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:22:58 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: Default button setting mod request
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This idea, or very similar, was mentioned some time ago.  I agree, the save
dialogue should refelect the current settings.  Further, if a user selects a
new setting for `save headers', it should remain set until it is changed
(rather like the `keep in cache' setting for ArcWeb downloads ;-) ).

Christopher.
--
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Stocker Road, University of Exeter, EXETER, Devon, EX4 4QL.



#! rmail 1636
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:23:06 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Re: Default button setting mod request
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Stewart Brodie) wrote:

 > I've come to the conclusion that when I click on the Save gadget to open a
 > save dialogue for a message, I'd like the initial setting of the Include
 > Headers option in the dbox to default to whatever the current setting
 > of the Display Headers gadget is.

 > I think it is counter-intuitive for it to default to save it without the
 > headers when the headers are being shown

Sounds reasonable, and while Mark is in that bit, how about the default
leaf name being the message number rather than just "Message"? It's one
of the very few things I preffered in TTFN...

         Anthony

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#! rmail 1239
From: [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra)
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:23:14 +0000
Organization: Newly installed mail & news reader!
Subject: Re: Setting up Messenger/Newsbase with ANT
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:20:05 +0000, [e-mail] said:

> Richard
>
> >I have therefore been trying to set up Messenger/Newsbase to run with
> >the ANT transport and have run into difficulties.  Whenever Messenger
> >is run I get the message File '.Messenger' not found.  Newsbase loads
> >happily but Messenger is having none of it.  Can anybody help?
>
I had this prob too.
I have made a small change in the Messenger !Run
I removed the line looking for .Messenger ( first made a copy of the original)
It works
Yours
--
Bert Zwemstra
Kruisstraat 18
2611 mj delft


#! rmail 1875
From: [e-mail] (Simon Knott)
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:56:42 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Default button setting mod request
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Stewart Brodie) wrote:

> I've come to the conclusion that when I click on the Save gadget to
> open a save dialogue for a message, I'd like the initial setting of the
> Include Headers option in the dbox to default to whatever the current
> setting of the Display Headers gadget is.  That way, clicking on the
> Save means that the data that you will be saving is exactly that
> displayed in the viewer beneath the toolbar.
>
> I think it is counter-intuitive for it to default to save it without
> the headers when the headers are being shown (and it's annoyed me three
> times this week ;-)
>
> What does everybody else think?
>

I don't often save messages out but when I do it is usually with headers
included.  The operation immediately before the save action will usually
be to click the display header button ( which I have off by default ).
Therefore this would save me one click.  Definitely a good idea :)


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#! rmail 1252
From: [e-mail] (Robin Moffatt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:56:49 +0000
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Ursa Minor Beta
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > Er, sorry but I forgot where to find Zap1.36Beta.  Please help:-)
>
> <URL:http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>, and it's 1.39.
>

Is that still beta or a proper release?

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#! rmail 1163
From: [e-mail] (Glyn Royds)
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:32:45 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:56:49 +0000 Robin Moffatt said:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>
> > <URL:http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>, and it's 1.39.
> >
>
> Is that still beta or a proper release?

It's still in beta whilst it gets tested to destruction.

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#! rmail 1289
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:16:53 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: Zap Email
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About Zap 1.39 beta:

Essentially it is all there, it mostly works, it look very promising, and
it is exciting to see the state of development.

However --- be aware that it does requre a certain amount of patience
because there are still faults.  It is a huge amount to download if you're
using a modem, and the archives are being updated frequently.

It should definitely be considered a beta / preview version for the present.
Having said that, if you're keen to try it, then you will find it absolutely
brilliant!

Christopher.
--
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Stocker Road, University of Exeter, EXETER, Devon, EX4 4QL.



#! rmail 1895
From: [e-mail] ("iain truskett")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:32:11 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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since upgrading to Zap 1.39beta3, i haven't had a single problem with it.
the only niggling thing is the speed of the window initialisation on my
RPC700 without a strongarm.

- braXiatel, the Wary Assassin of Scorpion House, Ka Faraq Gatri, Member of
the Apex Club, Philosopher, Clan Founder of Woof, Interim Forest Regent of
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Latham <[e-mail]>
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L
<[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, January 17, 1998 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zap Email


About Zap 1.39 beta:

Essentially it is all there, it mostly works, it look very promising, and
it is exciting to see the state of development.

However --- be aware that it does requre a certain amount of patience
because there are still faults.  It is a huge amount to download if you're
using a modem, and the archives are being updated frequently.

It should definitely be considered a beta / preview version for the present.
Having said that, if you're keen to try it, then you will find it absolutely
brilliant!

Christopher.
--
Dr. Christopher D. Latham, Department of Physics,
Stocker Road, University of Exeter, EXETER, Devon, EX4 4QL.







#! rmail 2122
From: [e-mail] (Tom Lawton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:07:34 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: My mail is being eaten
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Hi,

 I'm having difficulty deciding whether this is a messenger bug or a newsbase one,
but it's certainly a bug and a very annoying one. I recently was sent enough email
to have over 298 messages in Email.tlawton (I don't delete old mail, unless it's
someone I regularly write to, in which case they are moved to a folder). As normal
I replied to the mail, then 'File'd some messages into the correct folders. When
they had been filed, I deleted the copies from Email.tlawton. Messenger updated
itself briefly to show "304/304" messages, then changed to "298/298". This could
only be fixed by using "Index" from Newsbase to reindex the group, then "refresh"
 from Messenger.

 Now, every time I delete an email, all the emails after the 298th go missing
and can only be retrieved by reindexing the group (which obviously takes a while).
Looking at the files, the !newsdir.news.email.tlawton.~overview file only has
the first 298 emails. The ~index file contains the full amount. Newsbase reports
Email.tlawton as having all 304 emails (the ? from Mail and News Storage), and
TTFN works fine - though perhaps it doesn't use the ~overview file.

 I'm using Messenger v1.11 (though the problem started under v1.10) and newsbase
v0.59f, on a strongarm RiscPC with 42Mb. TTFN is v0.36.

 Thanks for any help,

 Tom


PS I've just checked by deleting an email from Email.tlawton.JRP, which contains
404 messages - and it worked fine. This is a very strange problem.

--

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#! rmail 1836
From: [e-mail] (Dr Charles McEvoy)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:00:55 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Robin Moffatt) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > Er, sorry but I forgot where to find Zap1.36Beta.  Please help:-)
> >
> > <URL:http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>, and it's 1.39.
> >
>
> Is that still beta or a proper release?

Having seen this message, I downloaded 1.39b and had a play.  It took me
about, say, 10 minutes before returning to 1.36b
1.36b has very few problems and is, on the whole, marvellous.
1.39b fell over many times editing emails and C source code, and on a couple
of occasions took the machine down with it.  I would have submitted a lengthy
bug report to Tim Tyler, but unfortunately had neither the time nor the
patience to leave an apparently dangerously unstable beastie on my drive.
Maybe it was just me, but I'm going to wait another couple of versions before
downloading again!
Looks brilliant on paper, though... :-)

    Regards,
        Charles.
--
Dr Charles McEvoy
Huntingdon, UK


#! rmail 1500
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:14:44 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: Default button setting mod request
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Stewart Brodie) wrote:

> I've come to the conclusion that when I click on the Save gadget to open a
> save dialogue for a message, I'd like the initial setting of the Include
> Headers option in the dbox to default to whatever the current setting
> of the Display Headers gadget is.

I long ago came to the conclusion that having to click on a button, in order
to open a window, so that I can see an Icon, which I can drag to...

Well, it's too cumbersome by half.  I'd like to see

   adjust cycling between saving with headers/without headers/as displayed

   drag   saving the file directly with a default name and the current
          header preference

   click  working as now, giving the opportunity to change name/headers for
          this save only



Chris



#! rmail 1274
From: [e-mail] (Maurizio Ferrari)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:24:11 +0000
Organization: Galileo Engineering
Subject: Easywrite - messenger crash
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Hi there.

anybody else using Easywrite? It happens that saving a message from
messenger int EW crashes the latter. I exchanged a few mails with
Bob Pollard (the author of EW) since PipeDream too caused the same problem
to EW. The reason was that PipeDream does not use the RAM transfer protocol
properly.

I wonder if Mark Sawle might want to talk to Bob Pollard about this.

I am using Messenger 1.11 and EW 4.00 (or 4.04)

Cheers

Maurizio
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#! rmail 1212
From: [e-mail] (Peter Chambers)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:24:18 +0000
Organization: NOT the Bavarian Illuminati
Subject: !Junkmail
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I saw a program to extract trace information from UCE called !Junkmail on

http://www.wconym.demon.co.uk/other/junk.bin

and wondered if anyone here had seen it and thought that it could do
with a !Messenger interface ?

I do not know how well these things can work or if they can be seamlessly
integrated with an User Agent.

Any ideas ?

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#! rmail 1405
From: [e-mail] (Simon Knott)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:46:47 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Flickering Icons on Pinboard
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A small effect I've noticed since using v1.11 is that when I open a
group window the pinboard icons lower down the screen flicker.  It took
me a while to realise what was causing it.

In order to save resizing the window I had saved its position when I had
a larger window open ( one that was the full height of the screen in
fact ).  When a window with only a few items in it is opened Messenger
presumably opens a window of the saved size then realises the window
can't be that big and re-sizes it, causing the icons to be redrawn by
the wimp.  If Messenger adjusted the size of the window prior to opening
it this effect wouldn't be seen.

Just a minor point really.

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#! rmail 2327
From: [e-mail] (Mike)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:31:17 +0000
Organization: Top Gun.
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Robin Moffatt) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
> >
> > > In message <[e-mail]>
> > >           [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > > > Er, sorry but I forgot where to find Zap1.36Beta.  Please help:-)
> > >
> > > <URL:http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>, and it's 1.39.
> > >
> >
> > Is that still beta or a proper release?
>
> Having seen this message, I downloaded 1.39b and had a play.  It took me
> about, say, 10 minutes before returning to 1.36b
> 1.36b has very few problems and is, on the whole, marvellous.
> 1.39b fell over many times editing emails and C source code, and on a couple
> of occasions took the machine down with it.  I would have submitted a lengthy
> bug report to Tim Tyler, but unfortunately had neither the time nor the
> patience to leave an apparently dangerously unstable beastie on my drive.
> Maybe it was just me, but I'm going to wait another couple of versions before
> downloading again!
> Looks brilliant on paper, though... :-)
>
>     Regards,
>         Charles.
I had similar problems as well as it took ages to start-up with the loss of
the pointer until I did an f12 then Return.

It fell over while trying to spellcheck, and reported various files, modules
missing.

I then went back to 1.35:-(
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#! rmail 1504
From: [e-mail] (Steve Lee)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:14:21 +0000
Organization: Robinson College Puddings Society
Subject: Re: Default button setting mod request
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Simon Knott) wrote:

> I don't often save messages out but when I do it is usually with headers
> included.  The operation immediately before the save action will usually
> be to click the display header button ( which I have off by default ).
> Therefore this would save me one click.  Definitely a good idea :)

It would save me about half a dozen clicks. I usually forget to press the
'include headers' button, and save the message into Zap. I then go
'bother I forgot to do the headers', have to delete the text and then
re-save pressing the headers option...

At least if it were to default to including headers, I'd only have to
delete them if unwanted rather than repeating most of the operation.

--
Steve Lee
http://www.banoffee.demon.co.uk/steve/


#! rmail 1439
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:41:04 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Glyn Royds) wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:56:49 +0000 Robin Moffatt said:
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>>> <URL:http://www.mandala.co.uk/zap/>, and it's 1.39.
>> Is that still beta or a proper release?

> It's still in beta whilst it gets tested to destruction.

Hmm. That definitely said 1.39=DF when I sent it... oh well...

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#! rmail 1822
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:12:06 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: !Junkmail
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Chambers) wrote:

> I saw a program to extract trace information from UCE called !Junkmail on
>
> http://www.wconym.demon.co.uk/other/junk.bin
>
> and wondered if anyone here had seen it and thought that it could do
> with a !Messenger interface ?
>
> I do not know how well these things can work or if they can be seamlessly
> integrated with an User Agent.
>
> Any ideas ?

If you're using the ANT Suite there already is.

Otherwise, it's easy to set up. Send some mail. Extract a copy from your
outgoing queue. Remove the stuff after the colon on the lines that start;

Date:
To:
Message-ID:

Change the Subject: line to something suitable i.e. 'Unsolicited
Commercial Email'. Delete the body of the message and replace it with a
suitable letter of complaint. Save the message to !Junkmail.Formats with a
name such as Messenger.

Run Junkmail and click on it. You'll find there's a new button to select.

If you want something you can drop into Messenger itself, do the same as
above but extract the details you need from the edit window after
selecting 'Send Mail/Edit'.

Or did you mean something else?

--
Fred


#! rmail 902
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:09:54 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: !Junkmail
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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Could someone who's using JunkMail with Messenger report back to the
author? I think he's still looking for feedback on this particular
combination.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS



#! rmail 1138
From: [e-mail] (Neill McNeill)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:24:07 +0000
Organization: Home/Sensible Software
Subject: Re: Transferring files
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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When I used Messenger 1.02, I used to drag files from the INBOX index window
to a folder index window for storing articles I wished to keep.
However, what now happens is that I cannot have two index windows open at the same time:
when I open one, it closes the previous one.

Does anybody know how I could copy mail easily from one index to another?
--
| Neill McNeill             | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC  OS 3.6
| [e-mail]| LONDON SW16     | 16Mb



#! rmail 1303
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:25:53 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Transferring files
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Neill McNeill) wrote:

> When I used Messenger 1.02, I used to drag files from the INBOX index
> window  to a folder index window for storing articles I wished to keep.
> However, what now happens is that I cannot have two index windows open at
> the same time: when I open one, it closes the previous one.

You have probably got the 'Auto close windows' option selected in Messenger's
General choices.  If you deselect this then you'll be able to have multiple
windows open again.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1602
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:04:28 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Zap Email
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Dr Charles McEvoy) wrote:

[snip]
> Having seen this message, I downloaded [Zap] 1.39b and had a play.  It took
> me about, say, 10 minutes before returning to 1.36b. 1.36b has very few
> problems and is, on the whole, marvellous. 1.39b fell over many times
> editing emails and C source code, [...]

Dunno about the C mode problems, but the ZapEmail one is easy: you're
suffering from FormatText problems due to differences between the Zap source
I have and the (definitive) source Tim has. The solution is to load
ExtBASICasm (!Zap.Code.Extensions.ExtAsm.ExtBas) and reassemble ZapEmail.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | 01268 515441    | Toon Army
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | free mail, news | Season ticket
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   Ni!

There's nothing wrong with insanity: it's the sane people I'm worried about.



#! rmail 1252
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:04:37 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: !Junkmail
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> Could someone who's using JunkMail with Messenger report back to the
> author? I think he's still looking for feedback on this particular
> combination.
>

I would like to have "Anti-Junkmail-Support" incorporated in !POP, the
mail fetcher i'm using.

Bye,

   Torsten


--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  Torsten.Karwoth (at) winet.de
... Our necessities are few but our wants are endless...



#! rmail 1384
From: [e-mail] (Maurizio Ferrari)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:15:22 +0000
Organization: Galileo Engineering
Subject: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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Hi.
I hope this has not been debated to death or obvious or in the manual
(that I have tried to read carefully without finding anything about this
subject)

I have reached the maximum number of items in a directory i.e. I cannot
create any new folders :-(

The first idea that came to mind was to usa a single file (!SparkFS tar)
to keep all my folders - this leads to a potential disaster as far as I can
tell, since the file is wiped out and a set of directories created in its
place. (I made a backup copy before trying :-) )

Please help!

Maurizio

--
       Galileo Engineering Via Zacchetti 6 I-42100 Reggio Emilia Italy
                            phone/fax:[phone]
         Maurizio Ferrari Via Pareto 12 I-42020 Albinea RE Italy
                            phone/fax:[phone]



#! rmail 2137
From: [e-mail] ("iain truskett")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:45:29 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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there's a program called raFS by Richard Atterer (sp?). works wonders. more than
77 objects in folder as well as long file names.
the new version 0.10 (or was it 1.10) seems to work absolutely fine and I've got
145Mb of data sitting on it.

- braXiatel, the Assassin of Scorpion House, Ka Faraq Gatri, Member of the Apex
Club, Philosopher, Clan Founder of Woof, Interim Forest Regent of Clans, Forest
Super User, Depravity Admin, Owner of the braXiatel collection, Holder of the
Spoons of Rassilon, http://www.don.tased.edu.au/~ict/

-----Original Message-----
From: Maurizio Ferrari <[e-mail]>
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L
<[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 2:22 AM
Subject: more than 77 folders: how?



Hi.
I hope this has not been debated to death or obvious or in the manual
(that I have tried to read carefully without finding anything about this
subject)

I have reached the maximum number of items in a directory i.e. I cannot
create any new folders


The first idea that came to mind was to usa a single file (!SparkFS tar)
to keep all my folders - this leads to a potential disaster as far as I can
tell, since the file is wiped out and a set of directories created in its
place. (I made a backup copy before trying :-) )

Please help!

Maurizio

--
       Galileo Engineering Via Zacchetti 6 I-42100 Reggio Emilia Italy
                            phone/fax:[phone]
     Maurizio Ferrari Via Pareto 12 I-42020 Albinea RE Italy
                            phone/fax:[phone]







#! rmail 1002
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:51:34 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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The other work-around for the 77-directories limit is to create
sub-directories.  For example, one might have:

  From.Dick
  From.Harry
  From.Tom
  misc.read
  misc.sent
  outgoing.mail
  To.Dick
  To.Harry
  To.Tom

Christopher.
--
Dr. Christopher D. Latham, Department of Physics,
Stocker Road, University of Exeter, EXETER, Devon, EX4 4QL.



#! rmail 1224
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:15:48 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] ("iain truskett") wrote:

> there's a program called raFS by Richard Atterer (sp?). works wonders.

I'd agree totally with that.

I had a bit of a problem with earlier versions, and it was very command
line oriented and a bit obscure, but v1.10 has come on by leaps and
bounds.  It's acquired a very neat front end and all sorts of safety
features (though it never lost any of my data, it did have a tendancy to
hide it away sometimes!).

It's at <http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/e/downloads/>

--
m.



#! rmail 1532
From: [e-mail] (Ruth Gunstone)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:15:57 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: MIME (was Re: Zap Email)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
[bigsnip]
>
> [Hmm, Messenger failed to close the file after attaching it!]
>
I've had this on three occasions now - a SparkFS file that couldn't be
 renamed or moved after I'd "attached" it to a message.

*Close cured it - but that's a bit drastic, I know!
--
Ruth Gunstone        ||          A discerning computer user,             ||
                     ||       therefore a StrongArm RiscPC User.         ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||  Web-Site: http://www.bolsterstone.demon.co.uk/  ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||   Member of the Wakefield Acorn Computer Group   ||
                     ||    (But opinions expressed are MINE ALONE)       ||



#! rmail 1735
From: [e-mail] (Maurizio Ferrari)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:27:12 +0000
Organization: Galileo Engineering
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] ("iain truskett") wrote:
>
> > there's a program called raFS by Richard Atterer (sp?). works wonders.
>
> I'd agree totally with that.
>
> I had a bit of a problem with earlier versions, and it was very command
> line oriented and a bit obscure, but v1.10 has come on by leaps and
> bounds.  It's acquired a very neat front end and all sorts of safety
> features (though it never lost any of my data, it did have a tendancy to
> hide it away sometimes!).
>
> It's at <http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/e/downloads/>
>

Ah, thanks, got it now.

It looks like it does what Acorn was supposed to do ages ago...

thanks!

Maurizio
--
       Galileo Engineering Via Zacchetti 6 I-42100 Reggio Emilia Italy
                            phone/fax:[phone]
         Maurizio Ferrari Via Pareto 12 I-42020 Albinea RE Italy
                            phone/fax:[phone]



#! rmail 1099
From: [e-mail] (Bert Zwemstra)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:24:17 +0000
Organization:
Subject: thread
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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Hello,
I am using Newsbase 0.59h
I try to use the thread following option of Messenger (using 1.11)
But I can not let it work.
Have changed in "choises" "General" include all groups in newsreader.
In the messenger Newsreader selecting a group I have also put the thread on
But still if I read a message a reply the thread at the top is not activated
What is wrong ?
Must those Messenger opions be there from the start of a group ?

But still much better than the options Ant is giving me !


Bert


..

--
Computer: a device designed to speed and automate errors.


#! rmail 1756
From: [e-mail] (Richard Atterer)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:58:03 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] ("iain truskett") wrote:

> there's a program called raFS by Richard Atterer (sp?). works wonders. more
> than 77 objects in folder as well as long file names. the new version 0.10
> (or was it 1.10) seems to work absolutely fine and I've got 145Mb of data
> sitting on it.

(sp OK ;-)

Because raFS is not an image filing system, you must either copy all of your
!NewsDir to an raFS disc or get LinkFS 1.12 by Tom Hughes and set up a link
for the one directory which contains more than 77 subdirectories.

LinkFS is available from uni-stuttgart, or its mirrors:
<ftp://ftp.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/archimedes/collections/uni-stuttgart/riscos/util/fileutils/linkfs.zip>

Be careful to get the right version: The V1.12 module also has the version
number 1.11 - but the "real" V1.11 doesn't work with raFS!


Cheers,

  Richard

--
  __   _
  |_) /|  Richard Atterer
  | \/|  http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/          raFS V1.10
   `
... "I bother", said Pooh, and hanged himself with the antistatic wrist strap



#! rmail 1117
From: [e-mail] (Vincent Lefevre)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:22:11 +0000
Organization: a training zoo
Subject: Messenger 1.11 bug: clash with MouseAxess
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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Messenger 1.11, like previous versions, clashes with MouseAxess: when
I drag a file with Adjust, the file is copied instead of being moved.

Messenger is the only application I know that clashes with MouseAxess.

--
Vincent Lefevre <[e-mail]> | Acorn Risc PC, StrongARM @ 202MHz
WWW: http://www.ens-lyon.fr/~vlefevre/ | 20+2MB RAM, Eagle M2, TV + Teletext
PhD st. in Computer Science, 2nd year  | Apple CD-300, SyQuest 270MB (SCSI)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------



#! rmail 1668
From: [e-mail] (Graham Allan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:47:30 +0000
Organization: University of Minnesota
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> I hope this has not been debated to death or obvious or in the manual
> (that I have tried to read carefully without finding anything about this
> subject)
>
> I have reached the maximum number of items in a directory i.e. I cannot
> create any new folders :-(
>
> The first idea that came to mind was to usa a single file (!SparkFS tar)
> to keep all my folders - this leads to a potential disaster as far as I can
> tell, since the file is wiped out and a set of directories created in its
> place. (I made a backup copy before trying :-) )

I think Chris Latham's suggestion of naming the folders differently, to
allow more of a folder hierarchy, is the safest and most straightforward
way.

Newsbase should work with image files though, carefully placed by hand
within !Newsdir. I just think that tar has too many restrictions as an
archive format to work well. Native Spark archives might work, and
xfiles certainly should.

Graham
--


#! rmail 1322
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:23:30 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Richard Atterer) wrote:

> Because raFS is not an image filing system, you must either copy all of
> your !NewsDir to an raFS disc or get LinkFS 1.12 by Tom Hughes and set up
> a link for the one directory which contains more than 77 subdirectories.

> Be careful to get the right version: The V1.12 module also has the version
> number 1.11

I wish others better luck than I had.  I tried using LinkFS 1.12 (I too
noticed the version number) to make a link to !Newsdir, and it seemed to
be the simplest way of freezing my system that I've yet discovered.



Chris



#! rmail 1712
From: [e-mail] (Alan Muscat)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:55:09 +0000
Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts
Subject: Useful addition to Messenger
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
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Many times I come across urls in emails that I'd like to visit
when next online, as it would be inconvienient to log on
immediately. I often save out the message or file it in a folder
but usually I forget about it.

Is there no way that a feature could be added whereby an url in an email can
be clicked on with adjust which then sends the url to an url minder
of some description, *easily* accessed when online with a browser
loaded? Perhaps it might even be possible to send the urls to a
special file in the bookmarks directory of your chosen browser
(Arcweb in my case), so that when I go online and fire up my
browser, there in my bookmarks in a sub-section called
'New Urls to Visit' are all the urls ready simply to click upon.
By this latter method there would be no need to load Messenger
and Newsbase.

Shirley it can't be that difficult to implement such a useful
idea?

--
Alan Muscat

*****************Grapevine Digital Arts**********************
   *********** http//www.gvine.demon.co.uk ***************

        Make demo read demon for correct email address


#! rmail 1693
From: [e-mail] (Ruth Gunstone)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:29:09 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Useful addition to Messenger
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Alan Muscat) wrote:

[snip]
> Is there no way that a feature could be added whereby an url in an email can
> be clicked on with adjust which then sends the url to an url minder
> of some description, *easily* accessed when online with a browser
> loaded? Perhaps it might even be possible to send the urls to a
> special file in the bookmarks directory
[snip]

I think Guttorm Vik's StrongMenu is a good candidate here.

--
Ruth Gunstone        ||          A discerning computer user,             ||
                     ||       therefore a StrongArm RiscPC User.         ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||  Web-Site: http://www.bolsterstone.demon.co.uk/  ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||   Member of the Wakefield Acorn Computer Group   ||
                     ||    (But opinions expressed are MINE ALONE)       ||



#! rmail 2244
From: [e-mail] (Richard Atterer)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:44:08 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: more than 77 folders: how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:38:23 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Manning) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Richard Atterer) wrote:
>
> > Because raFS is not an image filing system, you must either copy all of
> > your !NewsDir to an raFS disc or get LinkFS 1.12 by Tom Hughes and set up
> > a link for the one directory which contains more than 77 subdirectories.
>
> > Be careful to get the right version: The V1.12 module also has the
> > version number 1.11
>
> I wish others better luck than I had.  I tried using LinkFS 1.12 (I too
> noticed the version number) to make a link to !Newsdir, and it seemed to
> be the simplest way of freezing my system that I've yet discovered.

It seems you are not the only one with this problem. It works on my machine,
but I've also heard of it freezing the computer. Until recently, I thought
that people used the wrong version of the 1.11 module, but it has turned out
to be the same module that I use without any problems. Just why do the docs
say V1.12 then?? (And the module's date stamp is earlier than the date shown
by the front-end.)

Something might interfere with LinkFS - try using it without having executed
!Boot, and if that works, attempt to find the module/app which causes it to
fail.

(Sorry if this is getting a little off-topic...)


Cheers,

  Richard

--
  __   _
  |_) /|  Richard Atterer
  | \/|  http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/          raFS V1.10
   `
... "Bother", said Pooh, as he burned his fingers on the PC card.



#! rmail 881
From: [e-mail] (Neill McNeill)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:04:28 +0000
Organization: Home/Sensible Software
Subject: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:32:27 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

Ever since I started using !Messenger, I have had problems using Newsfind.
Why do I always get the error message "You need Window 1.31 or later to run
Newsfind?
--
| Neill McNeill             | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC  OS 3.6
| [e-mail]| LONDON SW16     | 16Mb



#! rmail 1746
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:51:07 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:23:40 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Neill McNeill) wrote:

> Ever since I started using !Messenger, I have had problems using
> Newsfind.  Why do I always get the error message "You need Window 1.31
> or later to run Newsfind?

Your Toolbox Window module is out of date. I tried to make sure NewsFind
would look for versions of the modules no newer than those in ROM under
RISC OS 3.6, but I may have got some of the versions wrong, having had
3.7 for quite a while. If you have RISC OS 3.5 or earlier, collect a
newer version of the Toolbox modules from somewhere, my web site for
example.

If you have 3.6 and don't want to soft-load any Toolbox modules, using
an earlier version shouldn't do any harm. Type:

  *Help Window

at the command line to find the version of Window you've got (probably
1.30, that's what Messenger needs) and change NewsFind's !Run file to
suit.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS



#! rmail 1781
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:05:57 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:03:46 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Neill McNeill) wrote:
>
> > Ever since I started using !Messenger, I have had problems using
> > Newsfind.  Why do I always get the error message "You need Window 1.31
> > or later to run Newsfind?
>
> Your Toolbox Window module is out of date. I tried to make sure NewsFind
> would look for versions of the modules no newer than those in ROM under
> RISC OS 3.6, but I may have got some of the versions wrong, having had
> 3.7 for quite a while. If you have RISC OS 3.5 or earlier, collect a
> newer version of the Toolbox modules from somewhere, my web site for
> example.
>
> If you have 3.6 and don't want to soft-load any Toolbox modules, using
> an earlier version shouldn't do any harm. Type:
>
>   *Help Window
>
> at the command line to find the version of Window you've got (probably
> 1.30, that's what Messenger needs) and change NewsFind's !Run file to
> suit.
>

OK - I give up. Why did this message appear as an attachment?

--
Steve Holroyd



#! rmail 1160
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:20:49 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.16 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:18:15 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

[e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

[snip]

> OK - I give up. Why did this message appear as an attachment?

Because Tony is using a charset of 'unknown-8bit', which, not suprisingly
Messenger thinks it can't read, so it becomes attatched.

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

If I have not seen so far it is because I stood in giant's footsteps.



#! rmail 1277
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:35:45 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.16 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:26:51 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:

> OK - I give up. Why did this message appear as an attachment?

Sorry, there's a problem somewhere with Messenger's MIME handling in
conjunction with something else, causing the MIME content type to be set
to "unknown". We (various beta testers) think it might be triggered by
exclamation marks in the message.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS



#! rmail 1736
From: [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:56:35 +0000
Organization: ARMage Software
Subject: Re: Useful addition to Messenger
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:43:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Ruth Gunstone) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Alan Muscat) wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > Is there no way that a feature could be added whereby an url in an email can
> > be clicked on with adjust which then sends the url to an url minder
> > of some description, *easily* accessed when online with a browser
> > loaded? Perhaps it might even be possible to send the urls to a
> > special file in the bookmarks directory
> [snip]
>
> I think Guttorm Vik's StrongMenu is a good candidate here.

I have a "ToDo" file that I load into StrongEd.  I then drop anything
with URLs that need visiting into it ready for next time I am on line.
StrongEd recognises URL's and highlights them.  Double clicking on them
works in the way you would expect.  It would be nice if there was a
button on the tool bar to save me doing the drag and drop though.

--
Malcolm Boura, ARMage Software
http://www.armage.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 1674
From: [e-mail] (Neill McNeill)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:11:38 +0000
Organization: Home/Sensible Software
Subject: Re: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:29:38 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Neill McNeill) wrote:
>
> > Ever since I started using !Messenger, I have had problems using
> > Newsfind.  Why do I always get the error message "You need Window 1.31
> > or later to run Newsfind?
> <snip>

 Type:
>
>   *Help Window
>
> at the command line to find the version of Window you've got (probably
> 1.30, that's what Messenger needs) and change NewsFind's !Run file to
> suit.
>
Thanks a lot for that. I did find, however, a typing error in the !Newsfind
!runfile:

"RMEnsure Menu       0.24 Error You need Menu 0.23 or later to run NewsFind"

should surely be:

"RMEnsure Menu       0.23 Error You need Menu 0.23 or later to run NewsFind"
                     ~~~~
It works fine now!
--
| Neill McNeill             | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC  OS 3.6
| [e-mail]| LONDON SW16     | 16Mb



#! rmail 1071
From: [e-mail] (Paula Thomas)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:41:21 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:24:49 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Neill McNeill) wrote:

> Ever since I started using !Messenger, I have had problems using Newsfind.
> Why do I always get the error message "You need Window 1.31 or later to run
> Newsfind?

I think you'll find you've got an old version of the toolbox modules.
 From memory I think there is a copy on the barnet site.


--
Paula Thomas


#! rmail 1156
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:59:11 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: Newsfind
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:11:33 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (David Hobson) wrote:

>> OK - I give up. Why did this message appear as an attachment?

> Because Tony is using a charset of 'unknown-8bit', which, not suprisingly
> Messenger thinks it can't read, so it becomes attatched.

???  It didn't appear as an attachment here.

Er, hang on a minute...

   X-Mailer: Messenger v1.16 for RISC OS

What?  I've seen nothing later than 1.11.



Chris



#! rmail 1089
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:50:51 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: v1.16 (Was Re: Newsfind)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:24:06 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Manning) wrote:

<SNIP>

>Er, hang on a minute...
>
>   X-Mailer: Messenger v1.16 for RISC OS
>
>What?  I've seen nothing later than 1.11.
>
>Chris

I assume v1.16 is being used by Mark and the beta testers he requested
a couple of weeks ago.

.... and BTW, just seen a posting elsewhere from Mark with 1.18 (-:

--
Philip Powell


#! rmail 1446
From: [e-mail] (David Robinson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:13:50 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Can't access read articles
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:58:29 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

Newsbase 0.59k/Messenger 1.11/ANT Suite II

Within Messenger, I do a display Read or All groups action against a newsgroup.
Hourglass appears, counts to 100%, disappears. Then nothing. Desktop locked,
no new list of messages built in window. Alt-Break req'd to kill Messenger.
However, I am able to display Read/All against mail.

csa.announce      27/27
csa.apps      1717/1717
csa.extra-cpu   387/387
csa.games     1734/1734
csa.hardware  1466/1466
csa.misc      2694/2694

Are these numbers of messages too big for it to cope with?
In Newsbase, I've tried doing an index rebuild with no success.

--
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|  _ \ __ ___ _(_)__| | | _ \___| |__(_)_ _  ___ ___ _ _
| |_) / _` \ V / / _` | |   / _ \ '_ \ | ' \(_-</ _ \ ' \
|____/\__,_|\_/|_\__,_| |_|_\___/_.__/_|_||_/__/\___/_||_|



#! rmail 1723
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:11 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Can't access read articles
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.18 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:32:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (David Robinson) wrote:

> Within Messenger, I do a display Read or All groups action against a
> newsgroup. Hourglass appears, counts to 100%, disappears. Then nothing.
> Desktop locked, no new list of messages built in window. Alt-Break req'd to
> kill Messenger.

Try disabling the threading for those newsgroups.  For some reason Messenger
sometimes takes a very long time to perform its threading, which is what is
taking place between the hourglass reaching 100% and the window appearing.
This problem is very much dependent on the articles that are present in the
newsgroup and so will tend to come and go, e.g. csa.misc is currently causing
me problems but is fine normally.

The threading code is on the list of things to be tidied up once the current
major changes are out of the way.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1524
From: [e-mail] (Peter Vincent)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:38:16 +0000
Organization: The Vincent family
Subject: Intermitent failure to delete moved articles
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:34:24 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

As a result of setting up a new Folder, and having problems with the new
filters I set up I have been moving a lot of articles from one folder to
another over the past couple of days (by shift dragging them), and I have
found that sometimes they don't get deleted from the folder they've been
moved from.

At first I thought that I was making an error, and not pressing shift or
something like that, but I started to be more careful, and that was
definitely not the cause.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to determine when this happens, except
that it has only happened when I have moved several articles at once.  The
number of articles (2 or more) doesn't appear to be relevant so far as I can
see.

I am using Messenger version 1.11 and Newsbase version 0.59h.

Has anybody else found the same problem, and can they shed any more light on
exactly when it happens?

--
Peter Vincent


#! rmail 953
From: [e-mail] (Mike)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:43:16 +0000
Organization: Top Gun.
Subject: Messenger 1.10
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.10 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:43:28 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

Has anyone else had the following problem (wwhich, incidently, was also in
V11.02).

With a message window open pressing F3 causes the next message to be shown.

Any advice please.

Cheers
--
   __ __                       _      _
  /  `  | ___ _ _  __ _   ____(_)___ / /__
 / /|/| |/ _ `/| |/ / __\/ __/ /  __/  '_/
/_/   |_|\_,_/ |___/\___/_/ /_/\___/_/\_\



#! rmail 953
From: [e-mail] (Mike)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:43:16 +0000
Organization: Top Gun.
Subject: Messenger 1.10
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.10 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:43:28 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

Has anyone else had the following problem (wwhich, incidently, was also in
V11.02).

With a message window open pressing F3 causes the next message to be shown.

Any advice please.

Cheers
--
   __ __                       _      _
  /  `  | ___ _ _  __ _   ____(_)___ / /__
 / /|/| |/ _ `/| |/ / __\/ __/ /  __/  '_/
/_/   |_|\_,_/ |___/\___/_/ /_/\___/_/\_\



#! rmail 953
From: [e-mail] (Mike)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:43:16 +0000
Organization: Top Gun.
Subject: Messenger 1.10
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.10 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:43:28 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

Has anyone else had the following problem (wwhich, incidently, was also in
V11.02).

With a message window open pressing F3 causes the next message to be shown.

Any advice please.

Cheers
--
   __ __                       _      _
  /  `  | ___ _ _  __ _   ____(_)___ / /__
 / /|/| |/ _ `/| |/ / __\/ __/ /  __/  '_/
/_/   |_|\_,_/ |___/\___/_/ /_/\___/_/\_\



#! rmail 1035
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:06:54 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: Intermitent failure to delete moved articles
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.17 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:03:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

[e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:

> Has anybody else found the same problem, and can they shed any more light on
> exactly when it happens?

The messages aren't locked, are they?

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

"But I don't like Spam!!!!"



#! rmail 1190
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:07:01 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: v1.16 (Was Re: Newsfind)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.18a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:02:43 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:

> .... and BTW, just seen a posting elsewhere from Mark with 1.18 (-:

Typical, -he- can post with 1.18 :)

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk



#! rmail 1574
From: [e-mail] (Robin Moffatt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:43:44 +0000
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Ursa Minor Beta
Subject: More feature requests :)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.10 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:20:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

* Selecting several articles and doing Forward could forward them all in the
  same email, rather than having to enter the recipients several times over.
* "Can't give you that article, probably expired etc" error message could
  (doesn't appear to ATM) mark the article as Unread
* Clicking on an email address from a message to send a mail; when the send
  mail window is opened, clicking on further email addresses from the message
  could add these to the original email address, rather than opening a new send
  mail window. Prehaps keep the current method, and just add an adjust click
  or similar to add the address to the currently open send mail window?

That's all for now :)

Cheers for a most excellent program!

Robin
--
|D     |\/|       ** http://bounce.to/Robin/ ** Sheffield, UK **
|\obin |  |offatt **   [e-mail]   ** Horn Player   **

City of Sheffield Youth Orchestra - http://www.moffatt.demon.co.uk/cyso/


#! rmail 1398
From: [e-mail] (Andy Fawcett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:58:39 +0000
Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!)
Subject: Re: v1.16 (Was Re: Newsfind)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.18a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:20:43 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:
>
>> .... and BTW, just seen a posting elsewhere from Mark with 1.18 (-:
> Typical, -he- can post with 1.18 :)

Typical, Julian can post with 1.18a ;-)

--
Andy Fawcett                       a.f.p. recipes ([e-mail])
http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/       send mail with subject 'send index'
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Things are not as bad as they seem - they're worse


#! rmail 1606
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:53:52 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: v1.16 (Was Re: Newsfind)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.18a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:14:23 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Andy Fawcett) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:
> >
> >> .... and BTW, just seen a posting elsewhere from Mark with 1.18 (-:
> > Typical, -he- can post with 1.18 :)
>
> Typical, Julian can post with 1.18a ;-)

But not to the Ant mailing list in my experience. I suspect they throw
away posts from people not subscribed :P

What's 'on topic'?

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk



#! rmail 1601
From: [e-mail] (Kaustav Bhattacharya)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:44:23 +0000
Organization: Red Hot Country magazine
Subject: inconsitency 00017
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.19 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:05:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60

Messenger 1.19 and Newsbase 0.60, Risc OS 3.7.
Upon one incoming email arriving, newsbase processes the email, and
messenger pops up error:

"messenger has detected a internal inconsistency. Please report this to
the author quoting reference '00017'".

This also happend closing the Folder window but was not repeatable,
unlike the above error which is 100% repeatable.  Email though arrives
in the correct folder and is readable after I click on the continue
button in the error window.

Kozzey

--
Kaustav Bhattacharya [ aka Kozzey ]
[ http://redhotcountry.co.uk ] - Keep an eye on Country music
[ http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~kozzey/ ] - My personal homepage
[ [phone] ] - Voice mail
Memeber of the Country Music Association. No. 106306








                     ... Television is so dull that children are doing their homework.



#! rmail 1237
From: [e-mail] (Peter Vincent)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:09:43 +0000
Organization: The Vincent family
Subject: Setting up Messenger  for spamblocking addresses
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:03:35 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60

I have read through the Editing Choices section of Messenger's Help, and I
am not clear whether it is possible to set up Messenger and/or Newsbase so
that postings to News Groups use a spam blocking address in the From header
(and the Reply-To header if there is one), but mail messages use the correct
address so that my correspondents can reply directly to the message.  Is
this possible, and if so how?

I note that whilst TTFN puts Reply-To headers on mail and news postings
automatically, Messenger does not.  What function do they serve?  Should I
add one to mail postings?

--
Peter Vincent


#! rmail 1306
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:29:28 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Reply to a news posting
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:56:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60

Hi!

Hi Mark Sawle,

sometimes i want to followup and reply to a news posting at once. This
is when i find my answer should have been posted to the newsgroup AND
be mailed to the sender of the news posting ;-)

I would like if adjust (right mouse button) on the "followup" icon could
fill in the e-mail address of the poster into the "mail copy to"-icon.

just my 2 pennies


Bye,

   Torsten


--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  Torsten.Karwoth (at) winet.de
... 4 food groups: fast, frozen, microwaved, and junk



#! rmail 1214
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:45:47 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: UUencode and filetypes
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.21 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:14:35 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60a

I believe improving Messenger's recognition of RISC OS filetypes is on
the "to do" list. Conversely, could it also use MIME typing on outgoing
messages? At the moment it's getting on the nerves of TTFN users a bit.
Ie if a file has a filetype of &DDC, use an extension of .zip instead of
,ddc etc. And obviously if the file already has an "extension" eg /zip
change the / to a . and take no further action.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS



#! rmail 2161
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:08:50 +0100
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Requirements for Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.22 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:48:48 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60a

The next major version of Messenger, v1.30, will be released this week. This
will be the first release to contain support for both MIME and PGP, and also
includes improvements to the threads display and lots of other enhancements.
I'm giving advance notice of this with an updated list of requirements, so
that you can get hold of anything you need to run it before it becomes
available.

Newsbase
--------
You'll need Newsbase 0.60a or later, but 0.60a is about to be replaced by
0.60b so you'd be better off waiting for that if you haven't upgraded
already.

Newsbase can be downloaded from http://www.hep.umn.edu/~allan/newsbase/

PGP
---
If you wish to use PGP with Messenger, then you will need to download and
install PGP from http://web.bham.ac.uk/N.M.Queen/pgp/pgp263i.arc beforehand.
If you are not going to use PGP, then you may ignore this.

Newcomers to PGP will find a helpful introduction to PGP included in the
updated manual.

Zap Bitmap Fonts
----------------
Messenger has now standardised on using the !ZapFonts directory for accessing
Zap bitmap fonts.  It will no longer use fonts stored within !Messenger.Fonts
and is no longer distributed with these fonts.  If you are currently using a
Zap bitmap font, then you'll need to download and install !ZapFonts from
http://www.mandala.co.uk/zaparc/zfonts.zip and reselect your font when you
first run v1.30.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 918
From: [e-mail] (Peter Burwood)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:18:55 +0100
Organization: At Home
Subject: Deleting attachements
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.20 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:11:29 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60a

I know this has been discussed before, but I can't remember any reason
why it can't be implemented. Can we please have the ability to delete
attachements from articles ? Currently I have to edit the raw article
inside !News and it is a PITA.

regards,
Pete


#! rmail 2443
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:55:01 +0100
Organization:
Subject: Re: Setting up Messenger  for spamblocking addresses
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.21 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:44:19 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60a

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:

> I have read through the Editing Choices section of Messenger's Help, and I
> am not clear whether it is possible to set up Messenger and/or Newsbase so
> that postings to News Groups use a spam blocking address in the From header
> (and the Reply-To header if there is one), but mail messages use the
> correct address so that my correspondents can reply directly to the
> message.  Is this possible, and if so how?

Not sure how it's done in Messenger/Newsbase, but (with header editing
enabled in Messenger) it's certainly possible with ZapEmail. You should have
a good read of the help file, particularly regarding the commands
Email_AntiSpam, Email_Stamp, and Email_AddHeaderLine; also look at the
example antispam command sequence.

(If your real address has been used in news postings, then this is more of a
damage limitation exercise.)

> I note that whilst TTFN puts Reply-To headers on mail and news postings
> automatically, Messenger does not.  What function do they serve?

Reply-To: overrides From: as the address to which to reply.

> Should I add one to mail postings?

Not unless you want replies to go to some address other than that from which
you sent the message; to specify the same address in From: and Reply-To: is
pointless.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | free mail, news | Season ticket | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | BBC Master
|   Never reply to spam, not even to say 'remove'

Printer paper is always strongest at the perforations.



#! rmail 1846
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:20:23 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Messenger v1.30 and Newsbase 0.60b
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:17:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60b

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>The next major version of Messenger, v1.30, will be released this week. This
>will be the first release to contain support for both MIME and PGP, and also
>includes improvements to the threads display and lots of other enhancements.
>I'm giving advance notice of this with an updated list of requirements, so
>that you can get hold of anything you need to run it before it becomes
>available.
>
>Newsbase
>--------
>You'll need Newsbase 0.60a or later, but 0.60a is about to be replaced by
>0.60b so you'd be better off waiting for that if you haven't upgraded
>already.
>
>Newsbase can be downloaded from http://www.hep.umn.edu/~allan/newsbase/
>

Having upgraded from 0.60a to 0.60b, I have experienced a problem with
Messenger in that it will not progress beyond installing itself as
Messenger on the icon bar - i.e won't login as 'philip'.

Until this is rectified - or my silly mistake pointed out - I have
reverted to 0.60.

Problem also mailed to newsbase mailing list.

--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot



#! rmail 1711
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:21:54 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Messenger v1.30 and PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:24:56 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60b

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>The next major version of Messenger, v1.30, will be released this week. This
>will be the first release to contain support for both MIME and PGP, and also
>includes improvements to the threads display and lots of other enhancements.
>I'm giving advance notice of this with an updated list of requirements, so
>that you can get hold of anything you need to run it before it becomes
>available.
>
<SNIP>
>PGP
>---
>If you wish to use PGP with Messenger, then you will need to download and
>install PGP from http://web.bham.ac.uk/N.M.Queen/pgp/pgp263i.arc beforehand.
>If you are not going to use PGP, then you may ignore this.
>
>Newcomers to PGP will find a helpful introduction to PGP included in the
>updated manual.
>

...and you might want the PGPwimp frontend which is available from the
same site:

     http://web.bham.ac.uk/N.M.Queen/pgp/acorn.html

--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot



#! rmail 2203
From: [e-mail] ("iain truskett")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:01:25 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30 and PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:01:48 +1100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60b

alternatively, you could try my Director extensions for PGP.
 from http://www.don.tased.edu.au/~ict/software/ (at least within the week)
or alternatively they are on the Dec '97 AU CD. (which i still haven't got)

iain truskett =)

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Powell <[e-mail]>
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L
<[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, 4 February 1998 0:48
Subject: Messenger v1.30 and PGP


In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>The next major version of Messenger, v1.30, will be released this week. This
>will be the first release to contain support for both MIME and PGP, and also
>includes improvements to the threads display and lots of other enhancements.
>I'm giving advance notice of this with an updated list of requirements, so
>that you can get hold of anything you need to run it before it becomes
>available.
>
<SNIP>
>PGP
>---
>If you wish to use PGP with Messenger, then you will need to download and
>install PGP from http://web.bham.ac.uk/N.M.Queen/pgp/pgp263i.arc beforehand.
>If you are not going to use PGP, then you may ignore this.
>
>Newcomers to PGP will find a helpful introduction to PGP included in the
>updated manual.
>

....and you might want the PGPwimp frontend which is available from the
same site:

http://web.bham.ac.uk/N.M.Queen/pgp/acorn.html

--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot







#! rmail 1155
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:03:19 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30 and PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.22 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:02:04 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60b

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:

> ...and you might want the PGPwimp frontend which is available from the
> same site:

You'll only need this if you are likely to be using PGP outside of Messenger.
Messenger has a PGP frontend built in.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1272
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:42:20 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30 and PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 19:07:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]>
>          [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:
>
>> ...and you might want the PGPwimp frontend which is available from the
>> same site:
>
>You'll only need this if you are likely to be using PGP outside of Messenger.
>Messenger has a PGP frontend built in.
>
Good - thanks. I should have known there was a good reason for not
mentioning it.
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot



#! rmail 2292
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:47:34 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:45:10 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c

Messenger v1.30 is now available from the Messenger web site.  An upgrade
archive has also been posted to the msgrbinary mailing list.

This upgrade includes the following changes:

- Support added for decoding base64, quoted-printable and multipart MIME
  encoded messages.
- Support added for optionally sending attachments in MIME format
- New drag and drop attachments interface, used for both MIME and UUcode
  replacing the previous 'click-to-extract' interface.
- Line now added to CC'd news postings, indicating that the message is a
  courtesy copy.
- Bounce message option added
- Now checks whether MD5 passwords are supported by the server
- Support added for encrypting, decrypting, signing and verifying PGP
  messages
- Added keyring management frontend
- Tracking of which message is currently being displayed by means of
  highlighting in the group window, along with auto opening and closing of
  threads, and auto scrolling of the window
- Indenting of threads to indicate their structure
- Wrapped URLs now recognised in message display
- Lock and read buttons now update correctly in message display
- www. and ftp. now recognised as URLs
- Optimisations and bug fixes made to threading code - should be faster
- File buffering used on those files that benefit from it the most
- Address book and mailing lists now sorted
- Some netiquette checking added - more to follow
- Adjust click on followup icon sends a copy by mail
- Many and various bug fixes and minor improvements too numerous to list ;-)

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1377
From: [e-mail] (Graham Allan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:54:47 +0000
Organization: University of Minnesota
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30 and Newsbase 0.60b
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> >Newsbase can be downloaded from http://www.hep.umn.edu/~allan/newsbase/
>
> Having upgraded from 0.60a to 0.60b, I have experienced a problem with
> Messenger in that it will not progress beyond installing itself as
> Messenger on the icon bar - i.e won't login as 'philip'.
>
> Until this is rectified - or my silly mistake pointed out - I have
> reverted to 0.60.
>
> Problem also mailed to newsbase mailing list.

That's been fixed now. The current version is now 0.60d, in which a
couple of other small but long-standing bugs have been removed.

Graham
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#! rmail 1184
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:01:35 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Reply to a news posting
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> I would like if adjust (right mouse button) on the "followup" icon could
> fill in the e-mail address of the poster into the "mail copy to"-icon.

You'll find that this is one of the many changes made in v1.30, available
now.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1665
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:06:03 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Setting up Messenger  for spamblocking addresses
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:

> I have read through the Editing Choices section of Messenger's Help, and I
> am not clear whether it is possible to set up Messenger and/or Newsbase so
> that postings to News Groups use a spam blocking address in the From header

Spam blocking addresses are a pain if anybody wants to reply to any of your
postings.  More so than receiving spam in the first place IMO.

However, Newsbase allows you to set up an alternative From address for a user
 from its user management control panel.  Whatever you enter here, Messenger
will use for your From header, but note that Newsbase will then add a Sender
header including your real address.  You can override this, although I don't
know how.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1287
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 15:26:15 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: Setting up Messenger for spamblocking addresses
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Another thing to note about the `From:' field which can be optionally set in
Newsbase is that this is used by the PGP hook to identify the sender for
signing messages.  It must match the user ID of the sender else PGP can't
find the key to sign the message with.  If a user has various addresses (like
me) then things can fall over unless the configuration is very carefully set.
It might be a good idea to put a note in the StrongHelp documentation about
this: both the PGP and FAQ sections.

Chris Latham.



#! rmail 2367
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:12:53 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Reply to a news posting
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> > I would like if adjust (right mouse button) on the "followup" icon could
> > fill in the e-mail address of the poster into the "mail copy to"-icon.
>
> You'll find that this is one of the many changes made in v1.30, available
> now.

Yes, thanks!


I've got v1.30 today and found a problem when saving a message.

As i dragged the icon from the save window to StrongED, Messenger
shows an error box with "This file is not valid uucode" in it.

After selecting the "cancel"-button (or was it "ok"? ;-) StrongED
opens two windows. One Window with the correct message, and another
window with the same message in it, but twice(!) and this message
had "bad" linefeeds (StrongED shows "[0d]").

Howewer, it (the problem) is somehow gone and i can't reproduce
it...

Bye,

   Torsten


--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
... The ultimate mail reader is here!!!!

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PxIgurkZZuZggLDsCal8Xzt+sogEHzPlIZcNyBtbuhffAOQVtrx4cg==
=6dpx
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



#! rmail 3317
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:13:00 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> Messenger v1.30 is now available from the Messenger web site.  An upgrade
> archive has also been posted to the msgrbinary mailing list.
>
> This upgrade includes the following changes:
>

Hi Mark, hi all,

I know, the following seems to be very insecure to pgp but...

I would like if messenger opens an own window, asking for the pass
phrase and use pgp with the "-z" switch. This way an icon with the
validation code "D" could be used and the pass phrase could be
hidden while typing, rather than typing the pass phrase visible
in a task window.

This way !Messenger could store the pass phrase internal for next
use, UNTIL:

- - messenger quits or another user log in
- - messenger has been left unattended for some minutes AND the user
  is not editing/writing a mail or news posting... ;-)

Then the pass phrase should be zeroed of course.

I would need (want) it because my pass phrase is >80 characters and if
i had to enter it every time i sign a message... :-/

This could be configurable in the "general choices" window, i.e.

[ ] Enhanced PGP features     ___             (1)
    [ ] Hold pass phrase for |___| seconds    (2)


(1) If selected, messenger will ask in an own window for the pass
    phrase and use the -z option of pgp

(2) If selected, messenger will store the pass phrase in memory!
    Messenger will "zero" the internal stored pass phrase after
    beeing unattended for xxx seconds. The user has to re-enter
    the pass phrase the next time he uses pgp signing or encryption.

    (2) and  is greyed out if (1) is not selected.


This would be nice, IMHO :-)


Messenger could store the pass phrase encoded in memory. Do not
forget to zero the icon text afterwards.

Bye,

   Torsten



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___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
... Those of you who believe in telekinesis, raise MY hand!

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QX1HKlWFBneiQ4yww0Tl99dPzExpjYlCaFwq/3mVb797CSOTftynCA==
=R83K
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



#! rmail 1130
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:13:08 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: signed messages and re-editing / !QEdit
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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Hi!

There is a "problem" with pgp signed mails and news. !QEdit will be
somehow unusable ;-))))))))))))))

Will it be possible to re-edit a message within Messenger then?

Bye,

   Torsten

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 |orsten   |\arwoth
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 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
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#! rmail 1885
From: [e-mail] (Graham Allan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:24:58 +0000
Organization: University of Minnesota
Subject: Re: Setting up Messenger  for spamblocking addresses
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:
>
> > I have read through the Editing Choices section of Messenger's Help,
> > and I am not clear whether it is possible to set up Messenger and/or
> > Newsbase so that postings to News Groups use a spam blocking address
> > in the From header
>
> Spam blocking addresses are a pain if anybody wants to reply to any of
> your postings.  More so than receiving spam in the first place IMO.
>
> However, Newsbase allows you to set up an alternative From address for
> a user from its user management control panel.  Whatever you enter
> here, Messenger will use for your From header, but note that Newsbase
> will then add a Sender header including your real address.  You can
> override this, although I don't know how.

It's painfully obscure...

In short, put a command "set xsender 0" (or "set xsender n") in a
Newsbase startup script file.

That isn't as helpful as it could be, but it's late and I can't type any
more... :-)

Graham

--


#! rmail 2755
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:01:07 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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First impressions of the new versions...

The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
since no-one else mentioned it...

The number of messages in the newsgroup window still does not change as
you read through the group. I want to know how many messages are left
unread, not how many there were when I started. The number in the list
of newsgroups does change and is in the same format so it ought to be a
trivial fix?

I don't use Zap, I don't intend installing it, I don't have any Zap
fonts configured in Messenger. Why then does it insist on informing me
virtually every time it opens a new window that "Messenger cannot use
the configured bitmap font"? I've fixed it for now by restoring the
third segment of the setup of Messenger$FontsDir in !Run but if a zap
font is not required, then any search for the directory should fail
silently, if it occurs at all, and not put up an error box.

PGP is nice, though there should be a more prominent sign that a message
is PGP'd, and maybe also button along the same lines of the add to
address book to add the key? I have a large public key ring, and it
takes forever to open the window so I can drag a new key across...

Can the pop-up address book menu have the alphabetical sort removed
again please? ;-)  I had mine with the most commonly used entries at the
top, and with alternatives for people in a block further down. In most
cases these were different, but not by much... I'd also like there to be
an obvious division between the personal address book entries and the
shared ones (eg a dotted line?), and of course nested lists. Oh, and the
moon on a stick please... :-)

OK, that's enough for now... ;-)

           Anthony

--
   |   On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements"   |
   |         section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better"          |
   |                                                                   |
   |                       So I installed Linux.                       |









#! rmail 1252
From: [e-mail] (Michael Hulmes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:16:14 +0000
Organization: Mezzo Forte
Subject: Can't make overview file
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Hi all,

Firstly, thanks for all the hard work on the new version of Messenger,
Mark. However, I'm having a little problem when deleteing all messages
 from my mail box or a newsgroup. I get the message:

Can't make overview file.

Sometimes the overview file is present within !NewsDir and sometimes
it's not. It doesn't make any difference the error still occurs.

Does anyone know what causes this and how to eliminate the problem?

Thanks in advance...

Michael

--
Michael Hulmes
http://www.mezzo-forte.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 1288
From: [e-mail] ("M.J. Olleson")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:26:04 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Anthony Frost wrote:
>
> First impressions of the new versions...
>
> The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
> fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
> since no-one else mentioned it...

I had this problem with it too, using the self-extracting version of
Sparkplug which can be found everywhere. Most of !messenger unpacks, its
just short of a few of  the extras such as newsfind. The documentation
doesn't unpack at all. Newsbasse seems to exhibit similar problemss,
again, enough of it unpacks to be used.


#! rmail 3399
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:35:13 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:

> The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
> fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
> since no-one else mentioned it...

A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.

> The number of messages in the newsgroup window still does not change as
> you read through the group. I want to know how many messages are left
> unread, not how many there were when I started. The number in the list
> of newsgroups does change and is in the same format so it ought to be a
> trivial fix?

I haven't done anything with those numbers because I'm not sure what to do
with them.  You'll notice that Messenger uses the counts for different
purposes in different places, and depending on whether you're reading unread,
read or all messages.  Inconsistenices in a user interface are a bad thing,
so I'm looking to tidy this up, when I decide on what exactly I want the
counts to show.

> I don't use Zap, I don't intend installing it, I don't have any Zap
> fonts configured in Messenger. Why then does it insist on informing me
> virtually every time it opens a new window that "Messenger cannot use
> the configured bitmap font"?

Looking at the code, I presume you're using the system font?  If so then I've
just fixed this bug.

> PGP is nice, though there should be a more prominent sign that a message
> is PGP'd

Do you mean when a message is signed or encrypted (or both)?  What would
you suggest?

> and maybe also button along the same lines of the add to address book to
> add the key?

Yes of course.

> Can the pop-up address book menu have the alphabetical sort removed
> again please? ;-)

I'll put a configuration option in.  Unfortunately the number of
configuration options seems to be growing exponentially at the moment and
there's no more room in the general choices window.  I think the MIME/PGP
section needs moving out to its own window, but would anybody like to suggest
(or even design) a sprite to represent this? :-)

> I'd also like there to be an obvious division between the personal address
> book entries and the shared ones (eg a dotted line?)

A dotted line would be no good if the address book is sorted, unless you
sort the two separately.  I'll give this some thought...

> and of course nested lists.

It's on the to do list.  When I figure out a painless way to do it then I
will!

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1170
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 10:36:20 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Can't make overview file
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Michael Hulmes) wrote:

> I'm having a little problem when deleteing all messages from my mail box or
> a newsgroup. I get the message:
>
> Can't make overview file.

This is a Newsbase problem, and I believe the latest version fixes it.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 3627
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:39:46 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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 > > The number of messages in the newsgroup window still does not change as
 > > you read through the group.
 >
 > I haven't done anything with those numbers because I'm not sure what to do
 > with them.  You'll notice that Messenger uses the counts for different
 > purposes in different places, and depending on whether you're reading unread,
 > read or all messages.

Good... Ideally the first number of the pair should be the number of
messages with that status in the display, eg for 'unread' it should be
unread/total and change as you read through, for 'all' it should stay as
total/total, etc...

 > > virtually every time it opens a new window that "Messenger cannot use
 > > the configured bitmap font"?
 >
 > Looking at the code, I presume you're using the system font?  If so then I've
 > just fixed this bug.

Yup, system font in all areas...

 > > PGP is nice, though there should be a more prominent sign that a message
 > > is PGP'd
 >
 > Do you mean when a message is signed or encrypted (or both)?  What would
 > you suggest?

When I wrote the message I had the feeling that one of the tiny dots to
the right of the "Thread" pop-up lit up, but having just seen some more
PGP signed messages (alt.fan.pratchett.announce always has moderator
approved messages PGP signed) I seem to be wrong. As it is now, a PGP
signed message looks identical to one that isn't. For an encrypted
message it's a little more obvious as you've (probably) had to enter
your passphrase, but for a signed message you need some indication that
the message was signed, and that the signature checks out (or doesn't as
the case may be). Red and Green keys maybe?

 > > Can the pop-up address book menu have the alphabetical sort removed
 > > again please? ;-)
 >
 > I'll put a configuration option in.

Thank you! There's someone (John Fenton?) has done some very nice icons
for Acornet recently, maybe he'd do some for Messenger too? :-)
 >
 > > I'd also like there to be an obvious division between the personal address
 > > book entries and the shared ones (eg a dotted line?)
 >
 > A dotted line would be no good if the address book is sorted, unless you
 > sort the two separately.  I'll give this some thought...

The two ought to be kept seperate really, makes it more obvious when
you've got a public address for someone and one you can use privately
for maybe faster response...

 > > and of course nested lists.
 >
 > It's on the to do list.  When I figure out a painless way to do it then I
 > will!

Just like to refresh the wish list every now and again! :-)

        Anthony

--
   |   On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements"   |
   |         section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better"          |
   |                                                                   |
   |                       So I installed Linux.                       |









#! rmail 1784
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:49:35 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:44:13 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:

> When I wrote the message I had the feeling that one of the tiny dots to the
> right of the "Thread" pop-up lit up, but having just seen some more PGP
> signed messages (alt.fan.pratchett.announce always has moderator approved
> messages PGP signed) I seem to be wrong.

You should get an amber light come on if you're viewing a PGP signed message
that hasn't yet been verified.  This then changes to red or green if a
verification attempt fails or succeeds.

The exception to this is non-clear signed messages for which you don't get an
indication.  I'm not sure if this is possible, because the message only
identifies itself as a PGP message, so it might be signed or encrypted, and
PGP itself AFAIK doesn't return an indication that the message was signed or
not when it decodes it.  If anybody knows better then please let me know.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2410
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:11:02 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:04:21 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d


 > > When I wrote the message I had the feeling that one of the tiny dots to the
 > > right of the "Thread" pop-up lit up, but having just seen some more PGP
 > > signed messages (alt.fan.pratchett.announce always has moderator approved
 > > messages PGP signed) I seem to be wrong.
 >
 > You should get an amber light come on if you're viewing a PGP signed message
 > that hasn't yet been verified.  This then changes to red or green if a
 > verification attempt fails or succeeds.

Right, that would be it, I've seen the amber but not either of the
others. Though thinking about it, I have a feeling that was for an
encrypted message which I could read. It was at home though so I can't
check until tonight...

 > The exception to this is non-clear signed messages for which you don't get an
 > indication.  I'm not sure if this is possible, because the message only
 > identifies itself as a PGP message, so it might be signed or encrypted, and
 > PGP itself AFAIK doesn't return an indication that the message was signed or
 > not when it decodes it.  If anybody knows better then please let me know.

Something appears to be recognising the PGP signatures on everything, as
they are stripped off the displayed message. This is why I was asking
for an indication, as there appears to be no way to tell there is a
signature, let alone its validity.

          Anthony


--
   |   On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements"   |
   |         section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better"          |
   |                                                                   |
   |                       So I installed Linux.                       |









#! rmail 2062
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:16:07 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:13:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d


 > > When I wrote the message I had the feeling that one of the tiny dots to the
 > > right of the "Thread" pop-up lit up, but having just seen some more PGP
 > > signed messages (alt.fan.pratchett.announce always has moderator approved
 > > messages PGP signed) I seem to be wrong.
 >
 > You should get an amber light come on if you're viewing a PGP signed message
 > that hasn't yet been verified.  This then changes to red or green if a
 > verification attempt fails or succeeds.

Right, wind back an hour or so! I noticed as I sent the last message
that the PGP buttons on the posting dialogue had greyed out, as my
system had lost track of PGP after a reboot. I'm now seeing all the
lights (well, the amber and green anyway!) so I'll rephrase the
request... :-)

If PGP is not available, could we have an indication that a message has
been PGP signed? At the moment, the signature is just stripped off with
no way to tell that it was once there...

; whistles innocently... ;-)

Gosh, lunchtime already?

          Anthony

--
   |   On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements"   |
   |         section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better"          |
   |                                                                   |
   |                       So I installed Linux.                       |









#! rmail 1686
From: [e-mail] (Steve Turnbull)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:26:00 +0000
Organization: The Turnbull Family
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.24 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:13:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>
> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
> > fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
> > since no-one else mentioned it...
>
> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.

Ouch! Tried to decompress it with SparkFS and whammo! One dead machine.

(Why are random taglines always so appropriate?)

Funny, it actually came into my Postmaster account rather than being
filtered into the Messenger folder. Which may or may not be relevant.

--
Steve Turnbull ([e-mail])
Check out my charity Israel Bike Ride
http://www.cix.co.uk/~turnbull/

... Experience: What you get when you don't get what you want



#! rmail 1271
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:28:36 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:26:41 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Steve Turnbull) wrote:

> Ouch! Tried to decompress it with SparkFS and whammo! One dead machine.

Oh dear!  For anybody that's having trouble unpacking the upgrade, you
can download it from the web site at:

  <URL:http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/messenger/msgr130up.zip>

I can also send out copies by e-mail for anybody who requests one.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1392
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 12:41:04 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:54:58 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>
> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
> > fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
> > since no-one else mentioned it...
>
> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.

My copy was fine.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
....Avoid colloquial stuff.


#! rmail 1473
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 13:21:02 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 11:34:43 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]>
>          [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>
>> The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
>> fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
>> since no-one else mentioned it...
>
>A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
>receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.
>

Arrived and unpacked correctly here. Thanks for all the
hard work and improvements. It is much appreciated.

HTH
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot



#! rmail 1105
From: [e-mail] (Dickon Hood)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:44:06 +0000
Organization: The Fluff Disorganisation
Subject: Re: Can't make overview file
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 16:33:50 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Messenger 1.30 with Newsbase 0.60d is dying with traphandler errors when
running off the end of newsgroups (ie, when that group is finished with).  I
suspect it's something to do with the auto close of windows, but I'm not
sure.

--
Dickon Hood

I've now managed to find my .signature file, normal service
will be resumed when Connex South Central get their act together.
We apologise for the inconvenience in the mean time.



#! rmail 1726
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:44:26 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:18:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>
> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
> > fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
> > since no-one else mentioned it...
>
> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.

When I decoded it with Messenger, SparkFS gave an error about an
unidentified header or something. I used Attacher instead, this time
SparkFS took a few minutes expanding the archive to >200MB (!) before
opening it, but all the files it presented were intact. I'm not sure
whether I received a full complement though.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS


#! rmail 1055
From: [e-mail] (Alan Muir)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:44:34 +0000
Organization: Organised? Me?? Hah!!!
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:45:40 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:


> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.
>

!SparkFS would not open the archive at all, but !Spark worked okay.



--
a.



#! rmail 1930
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:44:41 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:52:52 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
<SNIP>
>Right, wind back an hour or so! I noticed as I sent the last message
>that the PGP buttons on the posting dialogue had greyed out, as my
>system had lost track of PGP after a reboot. I'm now seeing all the
>lights (well, the amber and green anyway!) so I'll rephrase the
>request... :-)
>

This seems to happen every time my computer is rebooted. I've
installed PGP in the Acornet Apps dir - should it be elsewhere? Only
runs by doubling clicking on PGP.

>If PGP is not available, could we have an indication that a message has
>been PGP signed? At the moment, the signature is just stripped off with
>no way to tell that it was once there...
>

When PGP isn't available (see above) the signature is still shown in
emails - but appears to be stripped from news postings. At least that
is what I can see in an email that was signed and a posting which I
know was signed.

...and my mailbox INBOX seems to take much longer to open, Mailer and
Newsreader open just as quickly as previously.
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot



#! rmail 1484
From: [e-mail] (David McCormack)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:44:48 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 18:57:54 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Steve Turnbull) wrote:
>
> > Ouch! Tried to decompress it with SparkFS and whammo! One dead machine.
>
> Oh dear!  For anybody that's having trouble unpacking the upgrade, you
> can download it from the web site at:
>
>   <URL:http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/messenger/msgr130up.zip>
>
> I can also send out copies by e-mail for anybody who requests one.

Well my copy was fine. Messenger 1.30 has itself been fine so far, though
I've only used it for about an hour.


David McCormack
--
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.atlantic.oaktree.co.uk


#! rmail 1536
From: [e-mail] (Ruth Gunstone)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:44:56 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 19:01:15 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d


In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.

Mine was bad too. No problem - just downloaded from the website
--
Ruth Gunstone        ||          A discerning computer user,             ||
                     ||       therefore a StrongArm RiscPC User.         ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||  Web-Site: http://www.bolsterstone.demon.co.uk/  ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||   Member of the Wakefield Acorn Computer Group   ||
                     ||        (Opinions expressed are MINE ALONE)       ||



#! rmail 1240
From: [e-mail] (Anton Mans)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:45:03 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30 corrupted :(
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.10 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:29:57 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Hi,

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

 >
 > begin 644 msgr130up,ddc

I'm afraid it was corrupted, and !SparkFS turned its nose up at it.

I thought it might have been an error introduced by a poor line, as the line
was dropped halfway through the next message.  As msgr130up,ddc was thus not
deleted off the mailserver (I had to abort my mail download), I tried
downloading it again tonight, but again SparkFS wouldn't touch it.

Could I trouble you to retransmit?

Thanks!

Anton


--
Anton Mans
... "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gate



#! rmail 3287
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Heenan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:45:11 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: signed messages and re-editing / !QEdit
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 22:48:22 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Apparently-From: [e-mail]
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> There is a "problem" with pgp signed mails and news. !QEdit will be
> somehow unusable ;-))))))))))))))

Hmm... this is true. I personally don't use PGP, so your chances of
getting me to implement a PGP frontend in it are extremely minimal
(especially when Messenger has such a good one).

> Will it be possible to re-edit a message within Messenger then?

But then Messenger would have to know the format of each individual
transport queues, which defeats the purpose of newsbase.

There are two real possibilities I guess:

* Messenger could have a 'Defer' or 'Keep' or whatever button
  added to the send message dialogue, letting you store a partially
  editted message and return to it in another session.

* Newsbase and the transport could have some queue type command
  added to them - eg. a command to retrieve a list of all messages
  in the queue, a command to retrieve information about an
  individual message (eg. Subject, From, To, etc), and a command
  to pull a message out of a transport (or move it to a 'holding'
  area) and munge the message back into the form it was in when
  Messenger gave it to newsbase.

The second option is obviously the nicer ;-), but it does mean
that qedit becomes scrap, and means a fair amount of work needs to be
done to newsbase, the transports and Messenger. It might also be a
bit slow, I don't know.

I imagine most of the transport code that would be needed I already
have from the changes I made to qedit so that's 1 out of 3, and it
probably wouldn't take me too long to pull it out and munge it.
I imagine the work that would be needed to Messenger is fairly
substantial though... ;-(

[Just had a third thought. Qedit currently strips out a message,
passes it to an editor, waits for the editor to close, then resubmits
the message via newsbase. If there was, say, a wimp message that
would allow qedit to pass the message back to messenger instead,
this could probably be made workable, and unless I've missed
something it'd be a fair bit simpler. Something would have to remove
the PGP bits though... I don't even want to think about encrypted
messages - I don't think it's possible to reedit those. Unless we
pulled the original back out of the Email.outgoing.whatever folder]

This email has now been hacked at too much, I hope it still makes (a
small amount of) sense - Any suggestions / comments / encouragement?

Cheers,

Joseph


--
Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK


#! rmail 1649
From: [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 23:45:18 +0000
Organization: DMF, SUDM, KODA, DAF, DOF m.m.
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>
> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
> > fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
> > since no-one else mentioned it...
>
> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.
>
Mine arrived intact.

One thing makes me wonder, while testing the upgrade i noticed that the
attachment of files isn't possible when posting news.

Not that i need it for the moment though.

--
Alex Bach Andersen, free-lance conductor
NodeSats/MusicTypesetting - Acorn RISC PC 600 - unARMed
Copenhagen, Denmark http://home6.inet.tele.dk/alexbach/
.... 'Daddy, what does Format C: mean?'



#! rmail 1142
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 00:13:34 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:

> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack,
[snip]
> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?

Corrupt here :-(

--
m.

PGP key available



#! rmail 1718
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 00:13:41 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

[snip]
> You should get an amber light come on if you're viewing a PGP signed
> message that hasn't yet been verified.
[snip]
> The exception to this is non-clear signed messages for which you don't
> get an indication.  I'm not sure if this is possible, because the message
> only identifies itself as a PGP message, so it might be signed or
> encrypted,

Yes, they are indistinguishable to the eye...

> and PGP itself AFAIK doesn't return an indication that the message was
> signed or not when it decodes it.  If anybody knows better then please
> let me know.

You (or at least I) receive the same message from PGP using a
non-clear-signed file as you (I) do from an encrypted and signed file or a
clear-signed file, i.e. :

'Good signature from user "Martin Tillman <[e-mail]>".
Signature made 1998/02/06 22:20 GMT using 1024-bit key, key ID EE309FD9

--
m.

PGP key available



#! rmail 1389
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 00:13:48 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:

[snip]
> If PGP is not available, could we have an indication that a message has
> been PGP signed? At the moment, the signature is just stripped off with
> no way to tell that it was once there...

One of the beauties of the fact that Messenger removes the PGP bits when it
displays the message is that it will stop the anti-PGP people from
complaining about PGP sigs ;-).

And way would you want to see the 'clutter' if you don't use PGP?  (Unless
you think it might encourage people to use it if they see that it's in
widespread use).

--
m.

PGP key available



#! rmail 1026
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 00:24:27 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

[snip]
> One thing makes me wonder, while testing the upgrade i noticed that the
> attachment of files isn't possible when posting news.

That's a very good point!

--
m.

PGP key available



#! rmail 2187
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:52:36 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Setting up Messenger  for spamblocking addresses
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:

>> I have read through the Editing Choices section of Messenger's Help, and I
>> am not clear whether it is possible to set up Messenger and/or Newsbase so
>> that postings to News Groups use a spam blocking address in the From
>> header

> Spam blocking addresses are a pain if anybody wants to reply to any of your
> postings.  More so than receiving spam in the first place IMO.

If only the spammers didn't exist...

> However, Newsbase allows you to set up an alternative From address for a
> user from its user management control panel.  Whatever you enter here,
> Messenger will use for your From header,

Which is in itself useful (even though I let ZapEmail handle this).

> but note that Newsbase will then add a Sender header including your real
> address.  You can override this, although I don't know how.

Easy: add your own Sender: header first. Newsbase will leave it alone.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Toon Army     | 01268 515441    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | Season ticket | free mail, news | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | BBC Master
|   This line reserved for future expansion

A crisis is when you can't say "Let's forget the whole thing."



#! rmail 1513
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:52:46 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>          [e-mail] (Steve Turnbull) wrote:
>
>> Ouch! Tried to decompress it with SparkFS and whammo! One dead
>> machine.
>
> Oh dear!  For anybody that's having trouble unpacking the upgrade, you
> can download it from the web site at:
>
>  <URL:http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/messenger/msgr130up.zip>
>
> I can also send out copies by e-mail for anybody who requests one.
>
It unpacked fine for me using Sparkplug... ;-) I haven't installed it
yet, as I have to get a newer version of Newsbase, now :-(
--
Brian Howlett
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me!



#! rmail 1688
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:52:57 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] ("M.J. Olleson") wrote:

> Anthony Frost wrote:
>>
>> First impressions of the new versions...
>>
>> The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
>> fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
>> since no-one else mentioned it...
>
> I had this problem with it too, using the self-extracting version of
> Sparkplug which can be found everywhere. Most of !messenger unpacks,
> its just short of a few of  the extras such as newsfind. The
> documentation doesn't unpack at all. Newsbasse seems to exhibit similar
> problemss, again, enough of it unpacks to be used.
>
Oops! I just sent a message to this list that Sparkplug successfully
unpacks the emailed upgrade, but now I have tried to install it, I agree
that the archive seems incomplete. Off to the Web site!
--
Brian Howlett
-----------------------------------------
I owe, I owe, so it's off to work I go...



#! rmail 1617
From: [e-mail] (Derek Marshall)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 09:53:05 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>
> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
> > fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
> > since no-one else mentioned it...
> > A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK. >

 Yes, Me, although there is now a "Sprites not found" message when I load
up Acornet (I assume it is Messenger causing this as that is all I have
changed.

Apart from this - lovely.

Derek.

--
 /^\  | Derek Marshall...
|___| |
\___/ | Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows '95
  %.  | [e-mail]    http://www.twintrees.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 2475
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:38:48 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

[snip]
> I know, the following seems to be very insecure to pgp but...

Hmmm...

> I would like if messenger opens an own window, asking for the pass phrase
> and use pgp with the "-z" switch. This way an icon with the validation
> code "D" could be used and the pass phrase could be hidden while typing,
> rather than typing the pass phrase visible in a task window.

Well, I'd certainly like to see Messenger implement dialogue boxes etc.
where ATM it uses taskwindows.  However, if you're seeing your pass phrase
in the taskwindow it's because you've configured PGP to do this - as
supplied this is switched off, and I'd suggest you change it now!

> This way !Messenger could store the pass phrase internal for next use,
> UNTIL:

> - messenger quits or another user log in
> - messenger has been left unattended for some minutes AND the user
>   is not editing/writing a mail or news posting... ;-)

Surely if you want to use PGP you want to be secure.  This compromises
security.  Both AutoCrypt for Marcel and Pluto implement this - I
understand why, but I don't like it, and it encourages bad practice.  I was
very pleased when I saw that Mark *didn't* do this.

> I would need (want) it because my pass phrase is >80 characters and if i
> had to enter it every time i sign a message... :-/

Why is your pass phrase so long?

Perhaps you recognise that it gives you a very large dollop of security -
but now you want to throw it all away!  Why not change your pass phrase to,
say, a six character one?  That would give you far greater security than an
80 char phrase that was kept in RAM.

(Cue huge debate ;-) ).

--
m.

PGP key available



#! rmail 2299
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:38:56 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote: <SNIP>
[snip]
> >  my system had lost track of PGP after a reboot.
[snip]

> This seems to happen every time my computer is rebooted. I've installed
> PGP in the Acornet Apps dir - should it be elsewhere? Only runs by
> doubling clicking on PGP.

You need to set up PGP so that it is seen at boot up.  Perhaps just putting
your PGP installation in PreDesk will sort this out.  Alternatively add the
line 'Filer_Run <the path of your PGP app>' to your Desktop, DeskBoot or
whatever other file runs various things for you on booting.  However, as I
don't know the details of how you've set it up, this might be a red
herring.

The easiest way I've found to get a correctly functioning PGP set up is to
follow the instructions supplied with the PGP archive that (hopefully) you
obtained from Nat Queen's site.  The file is in the -RiscOS dir and called
Install.

It might not be of interest to you, especially if you don't use Director,
and it needs a couple of changes to the config file and the PGP executable
itself, but Iain Truskett's tweaks to PGP result in much enhanced
functionality of PGP when used outside of Messenger, and also contain all
of PGP within a dir called pgpExtend, which is placed in PreDesk, thereby
making PGP available at all times.  Read the Messenger 'Intro to PGP' in
the StrongHelp file for the URL.

--
m.

PGP key available



#! rmail 2711
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 13:20:22 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> I would like if messenger opens an own window, asking for the pass
> phrase

OK.  Messenger v1.31 will prompt the user for the pass phrase using a
dialogue box and have an option to remember it until you log out.  I
personally prefer this way of working.  Doing this does have security
implications though, and for this reason I have allowed the user to choose
not to enter a pass phrase, in which case PGP will prompt for it as it does
now.

If you enter your pass phrase in Messenger's dialogue box then there are at
least four places in which it might potentially appear in the clear in
memory, and thus may be found by examining the memory on your machine (I'm
not an expert on how RISC OS works to these levels so I may be wrong on 2 and
3):

  1. Messenger's workspace
  2. Wimp/Toolbox/Both workspaces needed to handle the window
  3. Any buffers RISC OS might use when handling Wimp_StartTask/OS_CLI SWIs
  4. PGP's workspace, although I would hope that it would do a good job
     of clearing it afterwards

Now if you do specify a pass phrase in Messenger, then it will wipe its
buffers when it has finished with it, and thus the pass phrase should no
longer appear in Messenger's workspace, unless you've specifically enabled
the remember option.  But even then you've still got the other three to worry
about, and I'm not willing to guarantee that Messenger's wiping will always
take place.

I suspect that a lot of people won't be at all bothered by this and will
appreciate the convenience of having Messenger remember the pass phrase for
them, especially if nobody else is ever going to have access to their
machine.  However it is important to be aware of these implications, as any
security system is only as strong as its weakest component.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 3276
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:33:53 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> Well, I'd certainly like to see Messenger implement dialogue boxes etc.
> where ATM it uses taskwindows.  However, if you're seeing your pass phrase
> in the taskwindow it's because you've configured PGP to do this - as
> supplied this is switched off, and I'd suggest you change it now!

Yes, my fault. I've installed the new pgp and lost my old configuration.
Sorry for not RTFM fully.

> > This way !Messenger could store the pass phrase internal for next use,
> > UNTIL:
>
> > - messenger quits or another user log in
> > - messenger has been left unattended for some minutes AND the user
> >   is not editing/writing a mail or news posting... ;-)
>
> Surely if you want to use PGP you want to be secure.  This compromises
> security.  Both AutoCrypt for Marcel and Pluto implement this - I
> understand why, but I don't like it, and it encourages bad practice.  I was
> very pleased when I saw that Mark *didn't* do this.

Well, it should be configurable for those people who want it (like me).

>
> > I would need (want) it because my pass phrase is >80 characters and if i
> > had to enter it every time i sign a message... :-/
>
> Why is your pass phrase so long?

Because i can remeber it, as it means something to me, but not to other
people :-))))

> Perhaps you recognise that it gives you a very large dollop of security -
> but now you want to throw it all away!  Why not change your pass phrase to,
> say, a six character one?  That would give you far greater security than an
> 80 char phrase that was kept in RAM.

... kept ENCODED in RAM, for a short period max.

A 6 char pass phrase is secure??? <g>

A nasty person could recall a 6 char pass phrase if this person is in
the same room with you and looks in your direction (at your keyboard).
Or do you say "Hey mates, please leave the building, i'll enter my
pass phrase!" ;-)))

The main reason for using pgp is for a secure transfer of e-mail on
the internet, and to feed the ECHELON systems of NSA of course :-)

Well, i'll try a solution with an alias and a code variable.

Bye,

   Torsten



--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
... See that slate, That's your keyboard that is.



#! rmail 807
From: [e-mail] (Barrie Hawkyard)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 16:38:48 +0000
Organization:
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE MESSENGER-L
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Please unsubscribe me to the mailing list

Thanks

--
Barrie Hawkyard
Acorn StrongArmed for Sheer Power

... Feet Smell?  Nose Run?  Hey, you're upside down!



#! rmail 1088
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:23:47 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Messenger/PGP bug?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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Does anyone get an error message from Messenger, 'File already open', when
first clicking Misc -> PGP keyring?

I find that when accessing it a second time it works fine. However, if I look
in !Scrap:Messenger before the second access there is a data file containing
the details of the public keyring. This is left behind if Messenger is quit
without the second access and is removed on the second access.

--
Fred
PGP key available


#! rmail 3908
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 18:53:59 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:
>
> > I would like if messenger opens an own window, asking for the pass
> > phrase
>
> OK.  Messenger v1.31 will prompt the user for the pass phrase using a
> dialogue box and have an option to remember it until you log out.  I

Good news :-)

> If you enter your pass phrase in Messenger's dialogue box then there are at
> least four places in which it might potentially appear in the clear in
> memory, and thus may be found by examining the memory on your machine (I'm
> not an expert on how RISC OS works to these levels so I may be wrong on 2 and
> 3):
>
>   1. Messenger's workspace
>   2. Wimp/Toolbox/Both workspaces needed to handle the window
>   3. Any buffers RISC OS might use when handling Wimp_StartTask/OS_CLI SWIs
>   4. PGP's workspace, although I would hope that it would do a good job
>      of clearing it afterwards

PGP does not store the pass phrase in readable form. I've tested it this
way: Entered the pass phrase. PGP says "pass phrase is good". Then befor
closing the task window, i opened a NEW !StrongED !Dump window and grabbed
the application space of the Taskwindow. I found no pass phrase, so pgp
seems to be good.

IMHO i read in the pgp documentation, that PGP claims the keyboard vector
or something simillar when entering the pass phrase. But i can be wrong.


What about the following for Messenger:

Can't you use a "faked" dialogue box? This should be just a window with an
(not writable) icon in it. This window should gain the caret / focus.
Now you could process all Wimp_Poll reason codes 8 (Key_Pressed) yourself
and the pass phrase would not be stored in wimp space...

I'll mail you an example BASIC program.



> Now if you do specify a pass phrase in Messenger, then it will wipe its
> buffers when it has finished with it, and thus the pass phrase should no
> longer appear in Messenger's workspace, unless you've specifically enabled

What about wiping it after a chooseable timeout?


> the remember option.  But even then you've still got the other three to worry
> about, and I'm not willing to guarantee that Messenger's wiping will always
> take place.

When you store the pass phrase encoded then this should not be a problem.

> I suspect that a lot of people won't be at all bothered by this and will
> appreciate the convenience of having Messenger remember the pass phrase for
> them, especially if nobody else is ever going to have access to their
> machine.  However it is important to be aware of these implications, as any
> security system is only as strong as its weakest component.

If the user enters nothing in the dialogue box then messenger should call
pgp without the -z switch in a standard task window.


Bye,

   Torsten


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#! rmail 1727
From: [e-mail] ("Hugh Nimmo-Smith")
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:38:54 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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Steve Turnbull <[e-mail]> wrote:



>In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>>
>> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
>> > fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
>> > since no-one else mentioned it...
>>
>> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
>> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.
>
>Ouch! Tried to decompress it with SparkFS and whammo! One dead machine.
>
>(Why are random taglines always so appropriate?)
>
>Funny, it actually came into my Postmaster account rather than being
>filtered into the Messenger folder. Which may or may not be relevant.

That's probably because you've got your filter setup so to redirect mail
 from this
mailing list and not for the messenger-binary mailing list


BFN,

Hugh

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#! rmail 1727
From: [e-mail] ("Hugh Nimmo-Smith")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 19:58:56 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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Steve Turnbull <[e-mail]> wrote:



>In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>>
>> > The upgrade which cam round on the binary list wouldn't unpack, so I
>> > fetched the lot from demon... May just have been how it arrived for me
>> > since no-one else mentioned it...
>>
>> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
>> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.
>
>Ouch! Tried to decompress it with SparkFS and whammo! One dead machine.
>
>(Why are random taglines always so appropriate?)
>
>Funny, it actually came into my Postmaster account rather than being
>filtered into the Messenger folder. Which may or may not be relevant.

That's probably because you've got your filter setup so to redirect mail
 from this
mailing list and not for the messenger-binary mailing list


BFN,

Hugh

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#! rmail 2147
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:37:14 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Messenger v1.31
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
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Messenger v1.31 has now been released.  Changes include:

- Messenger now asks for the PGP pass phrase and can optionally remember it
  until logout.  Entering a blank pass phrase allows PGP to ask for it as
  before.
- Previous/next part buttons fade when there isn't a previous/next part.
- Bug fixed where using the system font without having seen !Zap or !ZapFonts
  results in an error.
- Configuration option to sort address book added.  Not added to a choices
  window yet though.
- Add to address book/add key to keyring menu options added when displaying
  messages.
- PGP code now uses shorter filenames so that even with extensions they are
  <= 10 characters.
- PGP signed indicator now works even if PGP isn't available.
- A warning is now given if a PGP encrypted message is received, but PGP
  isn't available.
- User ID for PGP signing now read from From header, in case the user changed
  it.
- Displaying of non-MIME messages should now be faster.
- Bugs in URI handling fixed, but unable to test because of an apparent bug
  in the AcornURI module.
- Fixed bug which would have prevented successful extraction of attachments
  if a message was signed and then subsequently verified.
- Fixed handling of quoted commas in address fields when composing replies.
- When opening/closing threads, redraw now limited to the part of the window
  that needs updating.

--
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#! rmail 1244
From: [e-mail] (Peter Vincent)
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Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:12:42 +0000
Organization: The Vincent family
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:

[snip]
> > I'd also like there to be an obvious division between the personal address
> > book entries and the shared ones (eg a dotted line?)
>
> A dotted line would be no good if the address book is sorted, unless you
> sort the two separately.  I'll give this some thought...

How about putting the personal entries in bold or italic?

--
Peter Vincent


#! rmail 1271
From: [e-mail] (Alisdair McDiarmid)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:12:50 +0000
Organization: Illusion Enterprises
Subject: Messenger and PGP - how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
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I've installed PGP for the first time, creating the !PGP directory and
whatnot. I then used Messenger to create my keyrings and stuff and tried
to send a test message, signed.

It didn't work ("Messenger was unable to sign this message"). Any ideas
why? I'm sure that I typed my pass phrase correctly.

Has anyone written a PGP-installation-with-Messenger-tutorial yet?
--
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#! rmail 1708
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:18:05 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger/PGP bug?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> Does anyone get an error message from Messenger, 'File already open', when
> first clicking Misc -> PGP keyring?
>
> I find that when accessing it a second time it works fine. However, if I look
> in !Scrap:Messenger before the second access there is a data file containing
> the details of the public keyring. This is left behind if Messenger is quit
> without the second access and is removed on the second access.

It could be a problem with the selected language for pgp. If i configure
pgp for german language then messenger shows no keys and !PGPFront gives
an error leaving the scrapfile open...

Bye,

   Torsten


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#! rmail 1420
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:22:45 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Bug in 1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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Hi!

I've found a (reproducable) error in messenger 1.30.

I've send a pgp signed mail with an attached file to myself.

I have disabled automatic pgp verification. When the yellow
"lamp" is on (meaning a non-verified pgp signed mail), then
i can save the attached file.

If i verify the signature and the green "lamp" is on, then
i can NOT save the attached file, instead the error
"this file is not valid uucode" appears.

However, this problem may be fixed in 1.31, i'll have a look
at it.

Bye,

   Torsten


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#! rmail 1344
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 23:27:42 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.31
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> Messenger v1.31 has now been released.  Changes include:
> - Fixed bug which would have prevented successful extraction of attachments
>   if a message was signed and then subsequently verified.

Ah yes, forget my last mail about it ;-)))))


Bye,

   Torsten


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#! rmail 1062
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 00:25:50 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: 1.31 crash
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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1.31 just crashed when I closed a previously unread message in a plain
folder. I didn't get to see much of the backtrace because it isn't
redirected to file any more and it scrolled past. I've changed my !Run
file so I can report something useful if it happens again.

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#! rmail 1164
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hudson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:08:30 +0000
Organization: Kotipu Place Observatory
Subject: Messenger's help
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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Would it be possible to relocate Messenger's StrongHelp file to its own
resource directory rather than being in the main manual directory? This is
how StrongHelp recommends you do it anyway since it *is* application specific
help and not a global resource.

This is, of course, only a minor gripe in an otherwise great piece of
software!

--
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                              http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/6722



#! rmail 1125
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:08:39 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Steve Turnbull) wrote:

>> A number of people seem to be having trouble unpacking it.  Did anybody
>> receive it intact?  The copy in my outgoing mail folder is OK.

> Ouch! Tried to decompress it with SparkFS and whammo! One dead machine.

No problems unpacking it with SparkFS here.  I believe 1.32 is the current
version.



Chris



#! rmail 1399
From: [e-mail] (Postmaster)
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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 10:08:48 +0000
Organization: None whatsoever...
Subject: Probelm with PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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I'm not sue this is the best place to discuss this, but I can't think of
anywhere better...

I have just swapped PGP keys with a friend using a Mac, but he has a later
version (~V.5) and I can't import his key.  I s there anything that can be
done about this, or am I limited to using PGP with other uses that have the
same or older version of the software?

(I am also unable to decode an encryped message sent by him using my public
key - I think is his PGP signature that causes the problem)

Matthew.
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#! rmail 1282
From: [e-mail] (Peter Chambers)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:04:44 +0000
Organization: NOT the Bavarian Illuminati
Subject: Messenger 1.30 - the day after
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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First day fine. Loved the PGP and MIME stuff. Just what's needed!

Today. Started up. 1.30 says that it cannot use the selected bitmap
font. Which is System at 200%. Yet it then goes on to work.

Select Choices->Display menu and try to select a bitmap font.
Lose WIMP. Ahhhh.

Machine RPC/SA with RO3.70 and ROM patches. Working with Newsbase 0.60d.

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 PGP Key fingerprint =  C0 78 00 82 26 97 CA 68  4F DA 01 EA 86 AD 8F ED


#! rmail 2737
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:04:53 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Address book (was Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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[In-Reply-To stripped, incidentally]

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:
>
> [snip]
> > > I'd also like there to be an obvious division between the personal
> > > address book entries and the shared ones (eg a dotted line?)
> >
> > A dotted line would be no good if the address book is sorted, unless
> > you sort the two separately.  I'll give this some thought...
>
> How about putting the personal entries in bold or italic?

No! Lets not do anything that assumes the machine has any given setup.
-Especially- one that assumes outline fonts - they're impractical (in my
opinion) on older OS versions, since their hardware tends not to be up
to speed.

I'm sure I recall a discussion about address books way back in the days
of Messenger 0.1x or so, where there was a fair amount of support (from
the 'users') for the concept of hierarchical tree.
That way the 'height' of the address book menu would be reduced and
'clever' things could be done, such as being able to send to everyone in
a group simply by clicking on the item that led to their subgroup.

I'm still very fond of that concept, and hold some hope of it appearing
in Messenger...

Under that scheme, I'd presume the 'personal' address book would be one
of the top-level menus, and 'global' would be another.
To add more options to the config section, one could make it so that
either (or both) of the global and personal address books could be
'flat' which would nicely cater for people who had only a few entries in
one or other book.

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#! rmail 4644
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 11:19:33 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
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X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:08:49 +1200
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:
>
> > If you enter your pass phrase in Messenger's dialogue box then there
> > are at least four places in which it might potentially appear in the
> > clear in memory, and thus may be found by examining the memory on
> > your machine (I'm not an expert on how RISC OS works to these levels
> > so I may be wrong on 2 and 3):
> >
> >   1. Messenger's workspace
> >   2. Wimp/Toolbox/Both workspaces needed to handle the window
> >   3. Any buffers RISC OS might use when handling Wimp_StartTask/OS_CLI SWIs
> >   4. PGP's workspace, although I would hope that it would do a good job
> >      of clearing it afterwards
>
> PGP does not store the pass phrase in readable form. I've tested it this
> way: Entered the pass phrase. PGP says "pass phrase is good". Then befor
> closing the task window, i opened a NEW !StrongED !Dump window and grabbed
> the application space of the Taskwindow. I found no pass phrase, so pgp
> seems to be good.
>
> IMHO i read in the pgp documentation, that PGP claims the keyboard vector
> or something simillar when entering the pass phrase. But i can be wrong.

For a 'proper' secure system it would need to do something to get passed
the fact that everything you type flows through they keyboard buffer.
(I forget the address now, and it may have changed, though it was fairly
 consistent for, as I recall, RISC OS 2->3.5)

> What about the following for Messenger:
>
> Can't you use a "faked" dialogue box? This should be just a window
> with an (not writable) icon in it. This window should gain the caret /
> focus. Now you could process all Wimp_Poll reason codes 8
> (Key_Pressed) yourself and the pass phrase would not be stored in wimp
> space...

I don't like this primarily because it suggests greater security than it
gives. Things you type in the desktop also go through the keyboard
buffer, which means anyone with the right hex number and an OS_CLI
command has the potential to retrieve it. I acknowledge the buffer is
(by default 256) fairly small, but if one is going to be picky, lets 'go
all the way' and not just produce a partial solution.

> > Now if you do specify a pass phrase in Messenger, then it will wipe
> > its buffers when it has finished with it, and thus the pass phrase
> > should no longer appear in Messenger's workspace, unless you've
> > specifically enabled
>
> What about wiping it after a chooseable timeout?

How do you time it?

> > the remember option.  But even then you've still got the other three
> > to worry about, and I'm not willing to guarantee that Messenger's
> > wiping will always take place.
>
> When you store the pass phrase encoded then this should not be a
> problem.

I'm not certain there's any point in going to the bother of encoding it.
Excepting 'network' attacks, where someone can read the contents of your
memory without being physically with your computer, the only time anyone
could get that close to your passphrase is if you left your computer for
them.
At work we've got all our Acorns 'protected' by FSLock. One of the last
things we really want is general users getting hold of the password to
this. Accordingly I -never- leave the computer in a state where the
password has been entered. Sit down, do stuff, enter password, do more
stuff, switch machine off, stand up.
If you're -that- worried, do this. Anything else isn't good enough. If
you're not that worried, encoding is merely a waste of time.

Sprinkle liberally with "In my opinion"'s.

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk



#! rmail 1507
From: [e-mail] (Alisdair McDiarmid)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:20:17 +0000
Organization: Illusion Enterprises
Subject: Re: Messenger and PGP - how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> I wrote:

> I've installed PGP for the first time, creating the !PGP directory and
> whatnot. I then used Messenger to create my keyrings and stuff and tried
> to send a test message, signed.

I've reinstalled from scratch now, and tried both encrypting a message
and signing.

> It didn't work ("Messenger was unable to sign this message"). Any ideas
> why? I'm sure that I typed my pass phrase correctly.

Precisely the same for signing, but encrypting gives "PGP error 23".
Help! Help!
--
Alisdair McDiarmid           |  mailto:[e-mail]
Director, Illusion Software  |  http://www.illusion.oaktree.co.uk/
2 Cedar Drive, Milton of Campsie, Glasgow, G65 8AY. Tel: [phone]

#! rmail 2839
From: [e-mail] (Richard Atterer)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:15:12 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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Sorry if this statement is very blunt, but the way Messenger handles
verification of clear-signed and encrypted messages is not useful.

Quite on the contrary, I'd even call it very dangerous because the green
traffic light makes you think that the sender of the message is who he sa=
ys
he is. This is not necessarily true!!!


Once someone's key has been added to my ring, any mails signed with that =
key
will be displayed with the green traffic light. This way, *anybody* on my=
 key
ring can forge a mail which appears to be coming from a different person,=
 as
long as it is signed with his own key.

Some people have large keyrings, and for some of the public keys on that
ring, the private keys may have been handed out to many people (say, all
employees of a company) or may accidentally have been released into the
public.
Alternatively, someone could just send me an encrypted mail together with=
 his
public key so I would be forced to add that to my key ring to read the
message. Once I'd have done so, I'd probably have forgotten about the new=
 key
on my ring...

It is *absolutely* necessary that Messenger displays PGP's output, i.e. w=
hich
key unlocked the message!


Furthermore, IMHO it would be very good if Messenger displayed the whole
message including the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" and "BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE=
"
lines, so you can see where the signed text begins and ends. If PGP's out=
put
replaces the original message and someone includes a signed piece of text=
 in
his mail, only the that part will be displayed.

The "Good signature from user..." message should *not* be placed at the
bottom of the message, but after the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" line, so =
it's
the first thing you see. There should also be a clearer indication as to
whether the mail was clear-signed or encrypted. Finally, PGP's output sho=
uld
even be displayed if the verification fails.


Apart from that, Messenger 1.31 is great! Thanks, Mark!

All the best,

  Richard

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  |_) /|  Richard Atterer
  | \/=AF|  http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/          raFS=
 V1.10
  =AF =B4` =AF
.. Buy Acorn - our OS is never tested on animals!


#! rmail 1574
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:45:30 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: PGP setup
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Probably the wrong place to ask about this but given that a fair number of
subscribers are probably setting up PGP for Messenger...

I like things to be tidy on my HD. Following the ROS instructions for PGP
doesn't, to me, appear to be so. So I did the following;

I created a directory, !PGP. Into that I placed all the text files for PGP
as recommended. I also placed in it the PGP app, pgpsort, md5sum and (for
pretty) a !Sprites file. I then added a !Boot and !Run file, both
containing:-

If "<PGPPATH>" = "" Then Set Run$Path <Run$Path>,<Obey$Dir>.
If "<PGPPATH>" = "" Then Set PGPPATH <Obey$Dir>
iconsprites <Obey$Dir>.!Sprites

It seems to work, it's tidy, portable and I can boot it from my desktop
file or just make sure it's seen en route to my internet sox. Is there any
reason why it's not recommended? Responses in non-programmer speak SVP,
'cos I'm not.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available
.

#! rmail 1528
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:17:51 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger/PGP bug?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> Does anyone get an error message from Messenger, 'File already open', when
> first clicking Misc -> PGP keyring?
>
> I find that when accessing it a second time it works fine. However, if I look
> in !Scrap:Messenger before the second access there is a data file containing
> the details of the public keyring. This is left behind if Messenger is quit
> without the second access and is removed on the second access.

I've pinned this behaviour down a little. It only happens if Zap /isn't/
already on the icon bar. Zap is handling task windows.

That's why second access works - the first loads Zap.

Maybe I've got a misconfiguration of Zap?

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1346
From: [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:18:01 +0000
Organization: ARMage Software
Subject: Messenger generates very long line
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Messenger can generate attribution lines over 80 characters that the
netiquette checker then (rightly) objects to.  StrongEd (rightly)
doesn't attempt to format lines unless you edit them.  Can Messenger
check attribution lines that it generates and wrap them as needed
please.

I have just clicked on a mailto url in StrongEd, without Messenger
running.  Everything then behaved very sensibly except that Messenger
did not open it's login dialogue box.  Hence some quick mystification as
to why the new email dbox hadn't appeared.

Thanks, an excellent program Mark, it just keeps getting better!

--
Malcolm Boura, ARMage Software
http://www.armage.demon.co.uk

#! rmail 1070
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:18:15 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I sent a message with a couple of =A3 signs and noted something weird
about its "raw" structure in QEdit. The header says quoted-printable,
but =A3 and =3D signs don't get quoted, and I don't have the 8-bit
option enabled.

--=20
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 4240
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:18:25 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: 1.31 crash
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support.
You either require a newer version of your software which supports MIME, or
a separate MIME decoding utility.  Alternatively, ask the sender of this
message to resend it in a different format.

--1761800642--125864654--1386852268
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> 1.31 just crashed when I closed a previously unread message in a plain
> folder. I didn't get to see much of the backtrace because it isn't
> redirected to file any more and it scrolled past. I've changed my !Run
> file so I can report something useful if it happens again.

It's crashed a couple of times for me as well, though usually when
opening a new message. A trace of the latest incident is attached.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...Drop that pickle!

--1761800642--125864654--1386852268
Content-Type: text-plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="Selection"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Illegal address (e.g. wildly outside array bounds)

Postmortem requested
  Arg1: 0x00070e04 462340 -> [0x3e694c3c 0x40000040 0x00000000 0x00000000=
]
1ed88 in function mem_ffreex
  Arg1: 0x00070e04 462340 -> [0x3e694c3c 0x40000040 0x00000000 0x00000000=
]
1ed50 in function mem_ffree
  Arg2: 0x0004f2b8 324280 -> [0x3a6d654d 0x302e243a 0x30303030 0x00313130=
]
  Arg1: 0x00070dd8 462296 -> [0x000706e8 0x65742e6e 0x00007473 0x3e694c3c=
]
27178 in function msgdisplay_loadfromfile
  Arg4: 0x000000b9 185
  Arg3: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg2: 0x00054858 346200 -> [0x00054844 0x00000088 0x000000ba 0x00000000=
]
  Arg1: 0x00070dd8 462296 -> [0x000706e8 0x65742e6e 0x00007473 0x3e694c3c=
]
26f38 in function msgdisplay_setarticle
  Arg4: 0x00070dd8 462296 -> [0x000706e8 0x65742e6e 0x00007473 0x3e694c3c=
]
  Arg3: 0x0004a224 303652 -> [0x00000000 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0xffffffff=
]
  Arg2: 0x00052a44 338500 -> [0x10200536 0x00000000 0x00000284 0x00000000=
]
  Arg1: 0x00000284 644 -> [0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000003 0x00000000]
29a04 in function msgdisplay_priornexteventhandler
  Arg2: 0x0004a224 303652 -> [0x00000000 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0xffffffff=
]
  Arg1: 0x00052a44 338500 -> [0x10200536 0x00000000 0x00000284 0x00000000=
]
15ca8 in function event_calltboxhandler
  Arg4: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg3: 0x0004a224 303652 -> [0x00000000 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0xffffffff=
]
  Arg2: 0x00052bc4 338884 -> [0x00000224 0x000005ba 0x00000004 0x024918e9=
]
  Arg1: 0x00000006 6
16258 in function event_componenttoevent
  Arg2: 0x00052bc4 338884 -> [0x00000224 0x000005ba 0x00000004 0x024918e9=
]
  Arg1: 0x00000006 6
15b9c in function event_callwimphandler
  Arg2: 0x00052bc4 338884 -> [0x00000224 0x000005ba 0x00000004 0x024918e9=
]
  Arg1: 0x00000006 6
15b00 in function event_callhandler
  Arg4: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg3: 0x0000000a 10
  Arg2: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg1: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
15a60 in function event_pollidle
1ef58 in function messenger_poll
  Arg2: 0x000531c4 340420 -> [0x000531d8 0x00000000 0x6163696c 0x3e694c3c=
]
  Arg1: 0x00000001 1
1eee0 in function main
3a15f10 in unknown procedure
47b34 in anonymous function

--1761800642--125864654--1386852268--

#! rmail 1865
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:30:17 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger and PGP - how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Alisdair McDiarmid) wrote:

> I've installed PGP for the first time, creating the !PGP directory and
> whatnot.

Good man!

> I then used Messenger to create my keyrings and stuff and tried to send a
> test message, signed.

> It didn't work ("Messenger was unable to sign this message"). Any ideas
> why? I'm sure that I typed my pass phrase correctly.

Oh dear :-(

Can you see your key in Messenger's display of your PGP keyring?  If you
can't that means you haven't got your public key on your keyring (which
would imply no secret key), which is the only explanation I can think of as
to why you can't sign a message.

Hmm...  Unless...

Does your key ID include you email address, and is that the same address as
the user you were logged in as?  I *think* that Messenger depends entirely
on the address part of the ID to select a key.

> Has anyone written a PGP-installation-with-Messenger-tutorial yet?

Is there much to say about that?

Have you read the Introduction to PGP?  Is there anything more you think
that needs?

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 5100
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:30:25 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Richard Atterer) wrote:

> Sorry if this statement is very blunt, but the way Messenger handles
> verification of clear-signed and encrypted messages is not useful.

> Quite on the contrary, I'd even call it very dangerous because the green
> traffic light makes you think that the sender of the message is who he
> says he is. This is not necessarily true!!!

Then you are misunderstanding what PGP is telling you, surely.  All that
can be said about a signed message that verifies is that it was signed
using the secret key to which you have the corresponding public key.  Your
level of trust in that public key equates to the level of trust you may now
place in the integrity of the signed message (if you assume that the secret
key and pass phrase has not since been compromised).

> Once someone's key has been added to my ring, any mails signed with that
> key will be displayed with the green traffic light.

To be clear, once a person's *public* key is on your ring, then any mails
signed or encrypted with the corresponding *secret* key will be displayed
with the green light.

> This way, *anybody* on my key ring can forge a mail which appears to be
> coming from a different person, as long as it is signed with his own key.

Isn't this the case with PGP anyway?  If I have your secret key and pass
phrase I can impersonate you.

> Some people have large keyrings, and for some of the public keys on that
> ring, the private keys may have been handed out to many people

I bloody well hope not!  That will make them totally useless.

> (say, all employees of a company)

Hmm...  I don't know how PGP works in a corporate environment, but surely
there isn't a corporate secret key?

> or may accidentally have been released into the public.

Any secret key that is accidentally made public should be immediately
revoked.

GUARD YOUR SECRET KEY WITH YOUR LIFE (sorry to shout ;-) ).

> Alternatively, someone could just send me an encrypted mail together with
> his public key so I would be forced to add that to my key ring to read
> the message. Once I'd have done so, I'd probably have forgotten about the
> new key on my ring...

Sure, but your trust in that public key, and that person, would be low.  I
have your public key, and my trust in that is low.  But I still find it
very useful.  I would certainly trust it for all mundane purposes.  But say
I were a religious person and was making a confession by email.  I would
really want to know that my mail was going only to my priest.  I would
therefore exchange public keys with him personally by giving him a floppy
disk with my public key on and taking his floppy disk with his key on (and
by no other method!).

> It is *absolutely* necessary that Messenger displays PGP's output, i.e.
> which key unlocked the message!

Ahhh!  I think I now begin to understand what you might be getting at!

Suppose I have your public key and X's public key.  X mails me with a piece
of disinformation and encrypts it with *his* secret key.  X then forges the
headers of *his* email to me to make it appear to come from *you*.  I
decrypt the message and assume it comes from you because that's what the
'From' field in Messenger says.

I think you're absolutely right about that!

Mark, I reckon you should arrange that the ID of the key used to decrypt a
message is added to the top of the message body!

> Furthermore, IMHO it would be very good if Messenger displayed the whole
> message including the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" and "BEGIN PGP
> SIGNATURE" lines, so you can see where the signed text begins and ends.

Agreed too - for signed messages.  And besides, it will show very obviously
that the message is PGP'd.  I still fail to spot the traffic lights,
unfortunately.

> If PGP's output replaces the original message and someone includes a
> signed piece of text in his mail, only the that part will be displayed.

But for legitimate messages it would be silly to include a signed part and
some plain text outside that.  For forgeries, well..., I'm not sure what to
do about that.  But I certainly wouldn't want to see reams of ciphertext
followed or preceded by the decrypted text.

[snip]
> Finally, PGP's output should even be displayed if the verification fails.

I would agree with that too.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 1363
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:47:18 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> I sent a message with a couple of =A3 signs and noted something weird
> about its "raw" structure in QEdit. The header says quoted-printable,
> but =A3 and =3D signs don't get quoted, and I don't have the 8-bit
> option enabled.

If you're using ZapEmail, then that will perform quoted-printable decodin=
g
when you load the messsage into Zap, so you'll never see the =3Dxx stuff.=


--=20
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1236
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:49:26 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: PGP setup
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> I created a directory, !PGP. Into that I placed all the text files for PGP
> as recommended. I also placed in it the PGP app, pgpsort, md5sum and (for
> pretty) a !Sprites file. I then added a !Boot and !Run file

Sounds good to me.  If I was to distribute PGP, then that is exactly the
setup I'd use.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1222
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:59:00 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> If you're using ZapEmail, then that will perform quoted-printable decoding
> when you load the messsage into Zap, so you'll never see the =xx stuff.--
> Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
> Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

Hmm, that'll be a bug then! ;-)

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1885
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:45:23 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:
>
> > I sent a message with a couple of =A3 signs and noted something weird=

> > about its "raw" structure in QEdit. The header says quoted-printable,=

> > but =A3 and =3D signs don't get quoted, and I don't have the 8-bit
> > option enabled.
>
> If you're using ZapEmail, then that will perform quoted-printable decod=
ing
> when you load the messsage into Zap, so you'll never see the =3Dxx stuf=
f.--
> Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
> Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

Ah :-)

But something got confused up above didn't it?

I think I'd be better off disabling ZapEmail's QP decoding, but I can't
see how just at the moment. I see it has an option to rewrap long lines
though, having that switched off was causing a bit of worry.

--=20
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1629
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:45:31 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> add the line 'Filer_Run <the path of your PGP app>' to your Desktop,
> DeskBoot or whatever other file runs various things for you on booting.
> However, as I don't know the details of how you've set it up, this might
> be a red herring.

Yes, it seems distinctly fishy to me, given that PGP's not a app, but a
command line program.  Well, the version I have here is.   ;-)

   *pgp
   Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.3ia - Public-key encryption for the masses.
   (c) 1990-96 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 1996-03-04
   (RISC OS version by Gareth McCaughan, May 1997)

I've already worked out that Messenger can't find it on Run$Path.  Do I
need to define another variable to point to it, or do I really heed to
download yet another version of PGP?



Chris


#! rmail 1763
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:45:37 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

> [snip]
>> One thing makes me wonder, while testing the upgrade I noticed that the
>> attachment of files isn't possible when posting news.

> That's a very good point!

You shouldn't attach files to news articles; it's evil. Worse than posting in
HTML. Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so (you can do
it using -Zap- your usual text editor).

(Yes, I know I've done this once - remember the 'cat and buttered toast'
thread? - but then it was a very _small_ binary...)

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Toon Army     | 01268 515441    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | Season ticket | free mail, news | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | BBC Master
|   This line reserved for future expansion

Yes, I used Zap's strikethrough substyle ;-)


#! rmail 1811
From: [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:00:15 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, United Kingdom
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

>
> What about the following for Messenger:
>
> Can't you use a "faked" dialogue box? This should be just a window with an
> (not writable) icon in it. This window should gain the caret / focus.
> Now you could process all Wimp_Poll reason codes 8 (Key_Pressed) yourself
> and the pass phrase would not be stored in wimp space...
>

I don't believe the Wimp will be storing a copy of the string anywhere. If
it's an indirected icon then the text is stored in the application's
workspace so you can wipe it yourself. If it's a Toolbox window, then the
text will be in the Toolbox's workspace, but it's totally deletable by just
changing the text before you delete the Toolbox window.

--
Kevin Bracey, Senior Software Engineer
Acorn Computers Ltd                           Tel: [phone]
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road               Fax: [phone]
Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom            WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/


#! rmail 1394
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:45:29 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Crash again
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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I got that crash again when closing a window, I can't remember whether
it was a message window or my mailbox.

Postmortem requested
489c0 in anonymous function
  Arg2: 0x000531c4 340420 -> [0x000531d8 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x3e694c3c]
  Arg1: 0x00000001 1
1f0b4 in function messenger_init
  Arg2: 0x000531c4 340420 -> [0x000531d8 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x3e694c3c]
  Arg1: 0x00000001 1
1eebc in function main
3a15f10 in unknown procedure
47b34 in anonymous function

It also seems to be suffering from the same bug whenever I quit it
manually, I noticed it keeps redrawing the screen, and an extra copy of
the same PM appears in the Errors log.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1548
From: [e-mail] (Reiner Schulz)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:00:25 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Probelm with PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Postmaster) wrote:

> I have just swapped PGP keys with a friend using a Mac, but he has
a later
> version (~V.5) and I can't import his key.  I s there anything that
can be

At the last Chaos Computer Congress of the Chaos Computer Club (www.
ccc.de), I take part (joined ?) of a discussion about PGP.

The keys made with pgp versions < 5 are not compatble with keys from
>= 5
The rumors where that PGP INC. or some of its important people or
Zimmerman hisself has big problems with the america NSA (National
Security Agency) which dosent like the 'web of trust'.
Versions >= 5 use another algorithum to made keys that versions < 5
cant handle.

The final messages of the above discussion was:
Don't use pgp version >= 5

That what I heart.

Bye Reiner
--
Reiner Schulz,
[e-mail]

#! rmail 1289
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:10:27 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> > > I sent a message with a couple of =A3 signs and noted something wei=
rd> > about its "raw" structure in QEdit. The header says quoted-printabl=
e,> > but =A3 and =3D signs don't get quoted, and I don't have the 8-bit
> > > option enabled.

Erk, looks like another bug, Mark! ZapEmail managed to decode that
properly ;).

--=20
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1494
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:20:12 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

> > [snip]
> > > One thing makes me wonder, while testing the upgrade I noticed that
> > > the attachment of files isn't possible when posting news.

> > That's a very good point!

> You shouldn't attach files to news articles; it's evil.

Not necessarily at all!

> Worse than posting in HTML.

Nothing is worse than that.

> Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so

Actually it's not.  There are many, many binary newsgroups.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 1932
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:20:20 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:00:50 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Manning) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> > add the line 'Filer_Run <the path of your PGP app>' to your Desktop,
> > DeskBoot or whatever other file runs various things for you on booting.
> > However, as I don't know the details of how you've set it up, this
> > might be a red herring.

> Yes, it seems distinctly fishy to me, given that PGP's not a app, but a
> command line program.  Well, the version I have here is.   ;-)

Well...


> I've already worked out that Messenger can't find it on Run$Path.  Do I
> need to define another variable to point to it, or do I really heed to
> download yet another version of PGP?

It works fine for me on an RPC installed as per instructions in the
'-RiscOS' dir in the PGP distribution.

In !Boot.Library, not including docs, I have the files md5sum, pgpsort,
pgp, randsd/bin and a dir I made called !PGP, and in there is a run file
(containing the line 'Set PGPPATH <Obey$Dir>'), config/txt, en/hlp,
lang/txt, pgp/hlp, and my keyrings.

If you haven't got the '-RiscOS' dir I could mail it to you.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 2145
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:50:18 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.30
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:23:22 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey) wrote:

> I don't believe the Wimp will be storing a copy of the string anywhere. If
> it's an indirected icon then the text is stored in the application's
> workspace so you can wipe it yourself. If it's a Toolbox window, then the
> text will be in the Toolbox's workspace, but it's totally deletable by just
> changing the text before you delete the Toolbox window.

Yes, but i don't want my pass phrase to be stored in a readable form
if it isn't necessary (i.e. needed by pgp). And this is the case with
an icon.

I've written a utility that has entry points for 1) clearing (reset) the
pass phrase, 2) add a single char to the pp buffer, 3) does a backspace
operation on the pp and 4) creates a code variable "PGPPASS".

This variable should be created immediately before calling pgp. It expires
automatically and it can only be read once (by pgp? ;-). The pass phrase
in the code variable will be decrypted on the 1st read access and remain
stable for 1.5 seconds.

The pass phrase will be flushed befor killing the code variable.

I've sent it to Mark, i hope he find it somehow useful for messenger,
like i does ;-))))

Bye,

   Torsten


--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
.. ASCII and ye shall receive.


#! rmail 1795
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:50:26 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:09:25 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Manning) wrote:

>    *pgp
>    Pretty Good Privacy(tm) 2.6.3ia - Public-key encryption for the masses.
>    (c) 1990-96 Philip Zimmermann, Phil's Pretty Good Software. 1996-03-04
>    (RISC OS version by Gareth McCaughan, May 1997)
>
> I've already worked out that Messenger can't find it on Run$Path.  Do I
> need to define another variable to point to it, or do I really heed to
> download yet another version of PGP?

You can define an alias! This is was my !PGP "Application" does.

Here is the !Boot file:

IconSprites <Obey$Dir>.!Sprites
Set PGPpath <Obey$Dir>
Set Alias$PGP Run <Obey$Dir>.Pgp %*0
Set Alias$MD5sum Run <Obey$Dir>.md5sum %*0
Set Alias$PGPsort Run <Obey$Dir>.pgpsort %*0


The !Run file say's
Run <Obey$Dir>.!Boot


HTH

Bye,

   Torsten



--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
.. Is this yours? Your dog left it on my lawn ...


#! rmail 1500
From: [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:50:39 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: PGP signing - wahhhhh
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:35:20 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d



Not for the first time have I spent ages composing an email, set it to
be signed and then watched as Messenger Post Mortems and makes a quick
exit left - taking with it the email before its sent.

I'm not complaining, I just wondered if anyone else has had a similar
problem.

The only clue I can give is that its after I've entered my pass
phrase. Next time it does it I promise to try and note down more
specifically what's going on.  But of course my confidence in using
PGP signing has been a bit dented so it might be a while.

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love messenger.


Excuse me why I just wander into the corner over there and have a good
cry :)





--
Carol Carpenter
Home : [e-mail]   http://www.nocturnal.demon.co.uk/
Work : [e-mail]  Software Manager - Barnet College - London
                        PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 1534
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:55:45 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: PGP signing - wahhhhh
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:53:13 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter) wrote:

> Not for the first time have I spent ages composing an email, set it to be
> signed and then watched as Messenger Post Mortems and makes a quick exit
> left - taking with it the email before its sent.

Oh dear.  I'm sorry about that.

> The only clue I can give is that its after I've entered my pass phrase.

Did you ask it to remember your pass phrase, or was that left unselected?
That might give a clue.

It would help if you could edit Messenger's !Run file as indicated at the
bottom, so that any debug output gets spooled to !Messenger.Errors. The
contents of this file would then be useful should this problem reoccur.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1556
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:10:21 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: Crash again
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.41 (Acorn RISC OS)
Precedence: bulk
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On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:45:29 +0000, [e-mail] said:

> I got that crash again when closing a window, I can't remember whether
> it was a message window or my mailbox.
>
> Postmortem requested
> 489c0 in anonymous function
>   Arg2: 0x000531c4 340420 -> [0x000531d8 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x3e694c3c]
>   Arg1: 0x00000001 1
> 1f0b4 in function messenger_init
>   Arg2: 0x000531c4 340420 -> [0x000531d8 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x3e694c3c]
>   Arg1: 0x00000001 1
> 1eebc in function main
> 3a15f10 in unknown procedure
> 47b34 in anonymous function
>
> It also seems to be suffering from the same bug whenever I quit it
> manually, I noticed it keeps redrawing the screen, and an extra copy of
> the same PM appears in the Errors log.
>
It crashes more then you can imagine. I got it I think 10 till 15 times now
and deleted it again. Changed again back to good old !TTFN.
The crash happens when closing the main message window on my system.



#! rmail 1949
From: [e-mail] (Anton Mans)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:15:29 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.31 (from v1.30)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:50:14 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]> you sent me v1.31.

Thanks!  Much appreciated.

May I make a plea for a future issue, please?

Would it be possible to be able to drag out the width of columns in the
windows which list articles?  Often the titles of articles are too long to
be accommodated in the Subject column, and if the subjects are all very
similar except for the endings, it gets very difficult to see what's what.
One is often less interested in the author, so that column might be
user-dragged to be narrower -- or the whole width of the display window
might be user-dragged (or user-set) to be wider to accommodate any wider
columns.

And may I make a two non-urgent suggestions?

It would be very nice to be able to edit the "In message <xyz> you said..."
etc to my own preference.

It would be very useful when decoding attachments to be able to select all
the articles containing attachments (some of which might be sequential parts
of one article) and have them all decoded into one directory, rather than
having to decode each one singly and drag it to a directory viewer.

Thank you for making an excellent piece of software available to the public.

Best wishes,

Anton


--
Anton Mans
.. "Bother", said Pooh, as he saw the mushroom cloud.


#! rmail 5892
From: [e-mail] (Richard Atterer)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:20:30 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:12:39 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Richard Atterer) wrote:

[snip]

> > This way, *anybody* on my key ring can forge a mail which appears to =
be
> > coming from a different person, as long as it is signed with his own =
key.
>=20
> Isn't this the case with PGP anyway?  If I have your secret key and pas=
s
> phrase I can impersonate you.

Sure, but with the way Messenger currently handles verification, you are =
able
to impersonate me once a Messenger user has added *your* key to his publi=
c
ring...

> > Some people have large keyrings, and for some of the public keys on t=
hat
> > ring, the private keys may have been handed out to many people
>=20
> I bloody well hope not!  That will make them totally useless.

It is useful in /some/ cases.

> > (say, all employees of a company)
>=20
> Hmm...  I don't know how PGP works in a corporate environment, but sure=
ly
> there isn't a corporate secret key?

It can come in handy. Within the company, the secret key probably wouldn'=
t
have to be given to /all/ employees. Instead, they'd just send outgoing m=
ail
to a special, internal account to have it signed and sent away. *BUT*, ev=
en
if the system is implemented like this, the secret key is stored in a muc=
h
less secure way than a person's own key.

Another example is that the developers of a larger piece of software may =
want
to present themselves with just one key. Personally, I wouldn't encourage
that, though...

A key like this is *a lot* less secure than that of a single person
(so *never* sign it!), but it still has advantages over no key at all.

[snip]

> > It is *absolutely* necessary that Messenger displays PGP's output, i.=
e.
> > which key unlocked the message!
>=20
> Ahhh!  I think I now begin to understand what you might be getting at!
>=20
> Suppose I have your public key and X's public key.  X mails me with a p=
iece
> of disinformation and encrypts it with *his* secret key.  X then forges=
 the
> headers of *his* email to me to make it appear to come from *you*.  I
> decrypt the message and assume it comes from you because that's what th=
e
> 'From' field in Messenger says.

That's what I was trying to say! :-)

Once security becomes an issue with a piece of software, things get more
complicated than you might ever have imagined. In the case of Messenger, =
PGP
is rendered quite useless.

> I think you're absolutely right about that!
>=20
> Mark, I reckon you should arrange that the ID of the key used to decryp=
t a
> message is added to the top of the message body!

Also, while you're busy adding a Wimp interface to all PGP operations,
don't make it automatically add any new keys without asking the user!
Somebody might send you a secret key which matches your name, so the next
time an outgoing mail is encrypted, it is encrypted with the secret key y=
ou
received, not your own.

I know, *if* your secret key is protected with a pass phrase, you'll noti=
ce,
but I'd rather not know how many people out there store their secret keys
unprotected...

I must say that I'm very sceptical about the way Messenger picks the key =
for
outgoing mail. Is an option to select it with its 8 bit hex ID possible?

[snip]

> > If PGP's output replaces the original message and someone includes a
> > signed piece of text in his mail, only the that part will be displaye=
d.
>=20
> But for legitimate messages it would be silly to include a signed part =
and
> some plain text outside that.

Suppose someone else who didn't know a thing about Messenger quoted a sig=
ned
piece of text in his mail - you'd only be presented with that part of his
message.

> For forgeries, well..., I'm not sure what to do about that.  But I
> certainly wouldn't want to see reams of ciphertext followed or preceded=
 by
> the decrypted text.

I agree - ciphertext should be replaced with the decrypted text, as long =
as
there is a clear indication where the decrypted part starts and ends. Jus=
t
leave the "BEGIN PGP..." lines in.

> > Finally, PGP's output should even be displayed if the verification fa=
ils.
>=20
> I would agree with that too.

Another thing: I've experimented with "Auto-verify PGP signatures".
Unfortunately, this is much too slow for news, as I don't have the public
keys of most of the people who sign their postings. (Plus an error is
displayed every time the verification fails :-( )

It would be nice if Messenger read in the email addresses of all people o=
n my
public key ring on startup and only actually executed PGP for a particula=
r
message if the "From" or "Reply-To" address matched. It would certainly m=
ake
things a little faster.
On top of that, first display the message, then call PGP. That way, you c=
an
already have a look at it while PGP is still working.


Despite my negative comments, thanks for a great piece of software, Mark!

Cheers,

  Richard

--=20
  __   _
  |_) /|  Richard Atterer
  | \/=AF|  http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/          raFS=
 V1.10
  =AF =B4` =AF
.. RiscPC II - the best thing since sliced computers.


#! rmail 1385
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:05:25 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: PGP setup
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:07:38 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:
>
> > I created a directory, !PGP. Into that I placed all the text files for PGP
> > as recommended. I also placed in it the PGP app, pgpsort, md5sum and (for
> > pretty) a !Sprites file. I then added a !Boot and !Run file
>
> Sounds good to me.  If I was to distribute PGP, then that is exactly the
> setup I'd use.

Thanks. I couldn't understand why it isn't, so thought perhaps I might be
doing something drastically wrong. That gives me confidence!

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1720
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:35:43 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.31 (from v1.30)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:19:06 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Anton Mans) typed these words of wisdom:

[snip]
>
> And may I make a two non-urgent suggestions?
>
> It would be very nice to be able to edit the "In message <xyz> you
> said..." etc to my own preference.

Just do what I have done, and edit the Messages file in
!Messenger.Resources...

>
> It would be very useful when decoding attachments to be able to select
> all the articles containing attachments (some of which might be
> sequential parts of one article) and have them all decoded into one
> directory, rather than having to decode each one singly and drag it to
> a directory viewer.

Can't help you there...

>
> Thank you for making an excellent piece of software available to the
> public.
>
Hear hear!, Oh, and thanks also to Mark for implementing my suggestion
re. making the help messages disappear... ;-)
--
Brian Howlett
-----------------------------------------------
Watch out... you might get what you're after...


#! rmail 1861
From: [e-mail] (Rodger Mayze)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:10:24 +0000
Organization: What's Organization then
Subject: Can't read message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:27:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Here's a little problem then.

Since upgrading to !Messenger 1.31 I've been getting the message "unable to
open file" very often when reading news and mail. Almost all of the messages
sent to the Messenger mail list cause this problem for instance.

The problem may be due to the upgrade to !Newsbase of course, but I don't
know.

I have found that the messages can be recovered by saving it to !Zap as a raw
message but I can't do anything else to get at them from Messenger.

What's gone wrong, or what have I set wrong? Please help.

PS
After preparing but before connecting to send this I tried to read it from
the outgoing mail messenger window. _This is one of the offending messages,_
but !QEdit can cope with it, so the fault is posibaly not due to !Newsbase.

Could the problem be due to the bit in the header which says "MIME-Version:
1.0"?

PPS
Yes it could! on another message which would not recover, I remove that line
and the one after about character set, save the edit and then found that
messenger could display it. So what do I do now to fix the problem?
--
Due to an artistic dispute the signature file is not
available. Normal service will be resumed as soon
as possible.
We apologise for the inconvenience.

#! rmail 1157
From: [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:22:21 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: 1.31 crash
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "Tom Hughes" on Feb 02, 1998 at 11:18:25PM
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:00:45 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Tom Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote:
> It's crashed a couple of times for me as well, though usually when
> opening a new message. A trace of the latest incident is attached.
...
> --1761800642--125864654--1386852268
> Content-Type: text-plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="Selection"
                ^^^^^^^^^^
Whose fault was that?

Cheers


Jon
--
____
\  //    Jon Ribbens    // 100MB virtual-hosted // www.oaktree.co.uk
 \// [e-mail] //  web space for 99UKP //

#! rmail 1032
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:30:24 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: 1.31 crash
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:26:09 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens) wrote:

> > Content-Type: text-plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="Selection"
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^
> Whose fault was that?

Oops, that'll be my fault! :-)

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1286
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:28:38 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Can't read message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:27:08 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Rodger Mayze) wrote:

> Since upgrading to !Messenger 1.31 I've been getting the message "unable to
> open file" very often when reading news and mail.

An update at http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/messenger/msgr131bup.zip should
give the name of the offending file when this happens.  Anybody who is having
this problem should install this update, and then please tell me which file
names are giving it trouble.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1345
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:20:20 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:23:09 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:


[no attachment of files when posting news]

> > Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so
>
> Actually it's not.  There are many, many binary newsgroups.

Perhaps Messenger should support attachments when the group
name contains ".binaries."?

Bye,

   Torsten


--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
.. NetWare does not have bugs, it has "Undocumented enhancements"


#! rmail 1047
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:58:02 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:56:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

[mangled message snipped]
> Erk, looks like another bug, Mark!

Are you sure?  The only message it went wrong on for me was mine.  Your
followup was decoded OK.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1764
From: [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:40:24 +0000
Organization: DMF, SUDM, KODA, DAF, DOF m.m.
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:05:41 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]> you*) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:
>
>
> [no attachment of files when posting news]
>
> > > Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so
> >
> > Actually it's not.  There are many, many binary newsgroups.
>
> Perhaps Messenger should support attachments when the group
> name contains ".binaries."?
>
When I tried to test post a binary attachment I did it to a local ISP test
group.  My ISP infact has a special group for the purpose of exchanging files
called tele.internet.binaer. So perhaps the group name bina..... would be
better.

*) Is it possible to alter this line, so that the name of the writer of the
original message (Torsten) is put in here instead of the at times very
confusing you.

cheers
--
Alex Bach Andersen, free-lance conductor
NodeSats/MusicTypesetting - Acorn RISC PC 600 - unARMed
Copenhagen, Denmark http://home6.inet.tele.dk/alexbach/
... (C)ontrol (A)lt (B)ye


#! rmail 1423
From: [e-mail] (Olaf Krumnow)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:41:10 +0000
Organization: German Archimedes Group
Subject: Re: Messenger's help
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:19:41 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Would it be possible to relocate Messenger's StrongHelp file to its own
> resource directory rather than being in the main manual directory? This is
> how StrongHelp recommends you do it anyway since it *is* application specific
> help and not a global resource.
>
And, it would make internationalisation possible, although
Messenger doesn't seem to be prepared for it ATM.
Perhaps I can suggest using ResFind, like Newsbase does for
some time now?

Olaf

--
+-------------------------+----------------------------+
| Olaf Krumnow            | email: [e-mail]           |
| German Archimedes Group | WWW: http://www.gag.de/    |
+-------------------------+----------------------------+

#! rmail 8070
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:09 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="273440411--2068185827--217509385"
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:45:12 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support.
You either require a newer version of your software which supports MIME, or
a separate MIME decoding utility.  Alternatively, ask the sender of this
message to resend it in a different format.

--273440411--2068185827--217509385
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Richard Atterer) wrote:
[snip]
> > Furthermore, IMHO it would be very good if Messenger displayed the whole
> > message including the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" and "BEGIN PGP
> > SIGNATURE" lines, so you can see where the signed text begins and ends.

> Agreed too - for signed messages.  And besides, it will show very obviously
> that the message is PGP'd.  I still fail to spot the traffic lights,
> unfortunately.

See attached for a possible solution...

Contents:
 - one Res file, containing a replacement TextBar.
 - two sprite files, pNewSprs and pNewSprs22, to be merged with Sprites and
   Sprites22 respectively.
 - one sprite, "screen", showing my new traffic lights in use.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | Toon Army     | 01268 515441    | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | Season ticket | free mail, news | BBC Master
|   Retrocomputing: a PC card in a Risc PC

Tact is the ability to stay in the middle without getting caught there.

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#! rmail 2534
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:20 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:26:14 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you*) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:
> >
> >
> > [no attachment of files when posting news]
> >
> > > > Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so
> > >
> > > Actually it's not.  There are many, many binary newsgroups.
> >
> > Perhaps Messenger should support attachments when the group
> > name contains ".binaries."?
> >
> When I tried to test post a binary attachment I did it to a local ISP
> test group.  My ISP infact has a special group for the purpose of
> exchanging files called tele.internet.binaer. So perhaps the group
> name bina..... would be better.

This is an example of the reason I don't like schemes that hardcode
names into things.
About the only way of putting this kind of restriction into Messenger
that I would support would be having a list (somewhere) of groups, or
substrings of groups that were exceptions to the 'no binaries' rule.

> *) Is it possible to alter this line, so that the name of the writer
> of the original message (Torsten) is put in here instead of the at
> times very  confusing you.

Messenger puts 'you' in lines where it believes it is replying to a
private email. Messenger puts 'name' in lines where it believes it is
replying to a news posting.
Mailing lists are considered news groups, so the best solution is
probably to set up this list as a folder/mailing list.

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1621
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:32 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:05:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>> If you're using ZapEmail, then that will perform quoted-printable decoding
>> when you load the messsage into Zap, so you'll never see the =xx stuff.

And to think that one of the reasons for my implementing this was that
Messenger didn't support MIME... ;-)

[appended to previous line]
>> --
>> Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
>> Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

> Hmm, that'll be a bug then! ;-)

In Messenger, presumably... hmm, 1.32?

--
| Darren Salt              | Acorn Risc PC, | *Toon Army*
| [e-mail] | A3010, Spec+3, | nr Ashington,
| [e-mail]    | BBC Master     | Northumberland
|   Nothing much, coming your way *soon*...

Borg bumper sticker: "We Brake To Assimilate."


#! rmail 2068
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:43 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger/PGP bug?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:33:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

>> Does anyone get an error message from Messenger, 'File already open', =
when
>> first clicking Misc -> PGP keyring?

>> I find that when accessing it a second time it works fine. [...]

> I've pinned this behaviour down a little. It only happens if Zap /isn't=
/
> already on the icon bar.

Ahem. If Zap isn't running. There doesn't have to be an icon on the icon =
bar
with 1.39=DF.

> Zap is handling task windows.
> That's why second access works - the first loads Zap.

> Maybe I've got a misconfiguration of Zap?

I don't think so. I'm not sure what's going on here (can't check, ATM).

It should be sufficient, for any PGP function for which Messenger can sup=
ply
all the required input either on the command line or via a file, to run P=
GP
via Wimp_StartTask instead of in a task window.

--=20
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc=
 PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spe=
c+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master=

|   BMPSprite. DrawMerge. DrawShape.

Unix hacks go to /usr/local/pub/red-lion for a pint.


#! rmail 1541
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:53:52 +0000
Organization:
Subject: News posting from the newsgroups window
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:39:43 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

It would be useful to be able to select a newsgroup or mailing list from
those displayed and have the 'post news' icon fill in the newsgroup name for
you in the 'post news' dbox, or the mailing list address in the 'post message
to mailing list' dbox. (It is occasionally of use to post to a newsgroup
*and* a mailing list.)

Of course, Messenger would need to warn you if you try to excessively
crosspost, or perhaps crosspost at all...

Automatic setting of the MIME and PGP flags for entries in the address book,
as and when they're encountered in news or mail, /may/ be of use...

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Season ticket | free mail, news
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   I don't ask for much, just untold riches...

The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity.


#! rmail 8070
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:25:28 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="273440411--2068185827--217509385"
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:45:12 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support.
You either require a newer version of your software which supports MIME, or
a separate MIME decoding utility.  Alternatively, ask the sender of this
message to resend it in a different format.

--273440411--2068185827--217509385
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Richard Atterer) wrote:
[snip]
> > Furthermore, IMHO it would be very good if Messenger displayed the whole
> > message including the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" and "BEGIN PGP
> > SIGNATURE" lines, so you can see where the signed text begins and ends.

> Agreed too - for signed messages.  And besides, it will show very obviously
> that the message is PGP'd.  I still fail to spot the traffic lights,
> unfortunately.

See attached for a possible solution...

Contents:
 - one Res file, containing a replacement TextBar.
 - two sprite files, pNewSprs and pNewSprs22, to be merged with Sprites and
   Sprites22 respectively.
 - one sprite, "screen", showing my new traffic lights in use.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | Toon Army     | 01268 515441    | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | Season ticket | free mail, news | BBC Master
|   Retrocomputing: a PC card in a Risc PC

Tact is the ability to stay in the middle without getting caught there.

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#! rmail 2534
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:25:37 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:26:14 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you*) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:
> >
> >
> > [no attachment of files when posting news]
> >
> > > > Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so
> > >
> > > Actually it's not.  There are many, many binary newsgroups.
> >
> > Perhaps Messenger should support attachments when the group
> > name contains ".binaries."?
> >
> When I tried to test post a binary attachment I did it to a local ISP
> test group.  My ISP infact has a special group for the purpose of
> exchanging files called tele.internet.binaer. So perhaps the group
> name bina..... would be better.

This is an example of the reason I don't like schemes that hardcode
names into things.
About the only way of putting this kind of restriction into Messenger
that I would support would be having a list (somewhere) of groups, or
substrings of groups that were exceptions to the 'no binaries' rule.

> *) Is it possible to alter this line, so that the name of the writer
> of the original message (Torsten) is put in here instead of the at
> times very  confusing you.

Messenger puts 'you' in lines where it believes it is replying to a
private email. Messenger puts 'name' in lines where it believes it is
replying to a news posting.
Mailing lists are considered news groups, so the best solution is
probably to set up this list as a folder/mailing list.

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1621
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:25:44 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: MIME QP, lack of
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:05:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>> If you're using ZapEmail, then that will perform quoted-printable decoding
>> when you load the messsage into Zap, so you'll never see the =xx stuff.

And to think that one of the reasons for my implementing this was that
Messenger didn't support MIME... ;-)

[appended to previous line]
>> --
>> Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
>> Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

> Hmm, that'll be a bug then! ;-)

In Messenger, presumably... hmm, 1.32?

--
| Darren Salt              | Acorn Risc PC, | *Toon Army*
| [e-mail] | A3010, Spec+3, | nr Ashington,
| [e-mail]    | BBC Master     | Northumberland
|   Nothing much, coming your way *soon*...

Borg bumper sticker: "We Brake To Assimilate."


#! rmail 2068
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:25:51 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger/PGP bug?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:33:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

>> Does anyone get an error message from Messenger, 'File already open', =
when
>> first clicking Misc -> PGP keyring?

>> I find that when accessing it a second time it works fine. [...]

> I've pinned this behaviour down a little. It only happens if Zap /isn't=
/
> already on the icon bar.

Ahem. If Zap isn't running. There doesn't have to be an icon on the icon =
bar
with 1.39=DF.

> Zap is handling task windows.
> That's why second access works - the first loads Zap.

> Maybe I've got a misconfiguration of Zap?

I don't think so. I'm not sure what's going on here (can't check, ATM).

It should be sufficient, for any PGP function for which Messenger can sup=
ply
all the required input either on the command line or via a file, to run P=
GP
via Wimp_StartTask instead of in a task window.

--=20
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc=
 PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spe=
c+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master=

|   BMPSprite. DrawMerge. DrawShape.

Unix hacks go to /usr/local/pub/red-lion for a pint.


#! rmail 1541
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:26:01 +0000
Organization:
Subject: News posting from the newsgroups window
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:39:43 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

It would be useful to be able to select a newsgroup or mailing list from
those displayed and have the 'post news' icon fill in the newsgroup name for
you in the 'post news' dbox, or the mailing list address in the 'post message
to mailing list' dbox. (It is occasionally of use to post to a newsgroup
*and* a mailing list.)

Of course, Messenger would need to warn you if you try to excessively
crosspost, or perhaps crosspost at all...

Automatic setting of the MIME and PGP flags for entries in the address book,
as and when they're encountered in news or mail, /may/ be of use...

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Season ticket | free mail, news
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   I don't ask for much, just untold riches...

The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity.


#! rmail 1115
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:40:27 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:28:34 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

[e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:

> *) Is it possible to alter this line, so that the name of the writer of the
> original message (Torsten) is put in here instead of the at times very
> confusing you.

Yes. You just need to set up messages from here as a mailing list, and then
it will.

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

The world is coming to an end...  SAVE YOUR BUFFERS!!!


#! rmail 1780
From: [e-mail] (Tom Lawton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:10:24 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:37:37 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Hi,

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>To be clear, once a person's *public* key is on your ring, then any mails
>signed or encrypted with the corresponding *secret* key will be displayed
>with the green light.

 I think the point is that say, Richard has my public key and yours - I can
send a message with my secret key but write "I am Martin Tillman" and
Messenger will put up a green light because the corresponding public key (ie
mine) was found on the keyring. So despite the fact I don't have your private
key or passphrase, it still makes it look like it's really a Martin mail
(sorry, couldn't resist) rather than a message from me, the evil impersonator
that I am.

 IMO, Messenger should check pgp's output to see whose key unlocked the
message, and perhaps check that against the sender line or at least display
it as - I agree - a green light makes it seem that things are OK when in
theory they may not be.

 Horribly paranoid all this - what's the world coming to?

 Tom


--

.. "Life does not require us to be the biggest or the best, it asks only
that we try"


#! rmail 1737
From: [e-mail] (Tom Lawton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:10:31 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:46:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Hi,

> Yes, it seems distinctly fishy to me, given that PGP's not a app, but a
>command line program.  Well, the version I have here is.   ;-)

 What you need, is to make an application - say "!PGP". The Boot and Run
files should be:

Set pgppath <Obey$Dir>.
iconsprites <pgppath>!Sprites

Or something along those lines (I have a naff sprite for mine). The important
bit is that "pgppath" is set, as in the DOS version etc a system variable
called PGPPATH is set to the pgp directory and it's the same for acorns.

 In PGPpath you should have all your files like:

 pgppath:!Boot
 pgppath:!Run
 pgppath:randsd/bin
 pgppath:config/txt
 pgppath:en/hlp
 pgppath:lang/txt
 pgppath:pgp/hlp
 pgppath:pubrng/bak
 pgppath:pubrng/pgp
 pgppath:readme/1st
 pgppath:secrng/pgp
 pgppath:setup/doc

 And any other pgp files you like. The pgp application file itself should be
on your run$path - ie !Boot.Library for new-style boot sequence users or any
oter directory you've added to the run$path.

 hope that helps,

 Tom



--

.. "Nothing beats experience." - Unknown


#! rmail 972
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:30:16 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Address book
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:17:59 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Without a hierarchical address book the menu could end up being
ridiculously long. An interim solution or even a good permanent idea
would be an extra option to make an entry invisible in the menu but
available by alias.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1677
From: [e-mail] (Alistair Munro)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:30:24 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Email & Compuserve
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:12:33 -0500
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Hi All

I use Compuserve uk as my internet provider and since I upgraded to
Messenger 1.3 and then to 1.31 I find I cannot send any email.
For those of you who don't use Csi then all internet email addresses have=

to be prefixed with "INTERNET:" eg INTERNET:[e-mail]
Mail to other compuserve subscribers is addressed using their email name
only, eg JoeBloggs, or their account number which is numerical with a com=
ma
in it. eg 12345,678
Now messenger does not like commas as it thinks they are another address,=

also if I use the JoeBloggs method Messenger bombs this back to postmaste=
r,
even if I use [e-mail].
Further the Compuserve mail server rejects all email to the internet with=

the error "recipient unknown".
I have to resort to the PC card Windoze 3.11 (yuck) and Compuserve 2.6
sofdtware to send and receive email.
Newsgroups work OK with Messenger although I haven't posted any messages
recently, (must try that).
Incidently I use the Ant Suite with newsbase and Messenger.

Any thoughts as to what I can do?

#! rmail 1184
From: [e-mail] (Philip Cox)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:40:26 +0000
Organization:
Subject: "Number of messages" indication
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:44:04 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In the display headed "Messenger Newsreader (All)", the name of each folder,
newsgroup, maillist is followed by two figures which I imagine should show
total messages and number read (or perhaps unread).

For every entry, both figures in each pair are the same which I know to be
incorrect.  Is this a configuration error that I can sort out or is it more
serious?

Thanks.

Phil.

--
    _
 __/_'   _
/    \__/_'   _      Philip Cox
|    /    \__/_'
\____|    /    \
     \____|    |     At home on a RiscPC
          \____/     Web site at www.alanta.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 2557
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:40:33 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:52:29 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:
>>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>>           [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen) wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> One thing makes me wonder, while testing the upgrade I noticed that the
>>>> attachment of files isn't possible when posting news.
>>> That's a very good point!
>> You shouldn't attach files to news articles; it's evil.

> Not necessarily at all!

Generally speaking, it's evil...

>> Worse than posting in HTML.

> Nothing is worse than that.

Large uncancelled binary?

>> Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so

> Actually it's not.  There are many, many binary newsgroups.

True... attachments for binary groups, yes. But then there's probably some
email address to send submissions to (as indeed there is - was, the last time
I checked - for comp.binaries.acorn).

Speaking of which, some sort of message size check would be useful. Some mail
systems (such as that on Spuddy) quietly reject messages greater than a
certain size (100000 bytes); in such situations, the ability to split the
message up would be of use. (For plain binaries, this is irrelevant to me,
since I have means of doing this on Spuddy, involving a C program and
sendmail.)

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Season ticket | free mail, news
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   I don't ask for much, just untold riches...

Cue Chris Manning and his equivalent perl program... ;-)


#! rmail 2090
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:40:41 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Tab characters and PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:56:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Write a message with a tab character in it.

Save it, click on PGP sign, then Send.

Click on Send in response to the message about tab characters.

Reload Messenger.   :-(

This seems to be reproducible, but it might be a problem with the way I've
installed PGP.



Chris
--
Postmortem requested
0 in unknown procedure
  Arg4: 0x00076c24 486436 -> [0x00000680 0x00000002 0x3a47c730 0x0247c889]
  Arg3: 0x0004a224 303652 -> [0x00000000 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000]
  Arg2: 0x00052bbc 338876 -> [0x00000014 0x00000782 0x00082881 0x00000024]
  Arg1: 0x00082881 534657
116e8 in function editmsg_dboxhandler
  Arg2: 0x0004a224 303652 -> [0x00000000 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000]
  Arg1: 0x00052bbc 338876 -> [0x00000014 0x00000782 0x00082881 0x00000024]
15ca8 in function event_calltboxhandler
  Arg2: 0x00052bbc 338876 -> [0x00000014 0x00000782 0x00082881 0x00000024]
  Arg1: 0x00000200 512 -> [0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000]
15af4 in function event_callhandler
  Arg4: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg3: 0x0000000a 10
  Arg2: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg1: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c]
15a60 in function event_pollidle
1ef58 in function messenger_poll
  Arg2: 0x000531c4 340420 -> [0x000531d8 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x3e694c3c]
  Arg1: 0x00000001 1
1eee0 in function main
3a15f10 in unknown procedure
47b34 in anonymous function


#! rmail 1425
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:40:49 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Combined mailing list folders
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:20:12 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Sometimes it's nice to filter traffic from more than one mailing list
into the same folder. From previous experiments I noticed that
Messenger's send to a mailing list as if news buttons use the address
configured by the user and ignore Reply-To. This is handy for mailing
lists such as RiscBSD's where the list manager doesn't set Reply-To, but
it means you can't combine mailing lists. Could there be an option to
support multiple mailing lists in one folder by using Reply-To instead?
Perhaps the mailing list config file could have a list of valid
addresses for the folder's lists, and if the Reply-To doesn't match one
of them it could give a warning.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1384
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:40:57 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:12:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:


> [no attachment of files when posting news]

> > > Messenger is correct in not providing easy means to do so

> > Actually it's not.  There are many, many binary newsgroups.

> Perhaps Messenger should support attachments when the group name contains
> ".binaries."?

I expect there are plenty of groups where binaries are expected that don't
have 'binary' in the name.

Messenger should not prevent the user from doing what (s)he wants to do.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 1297
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:41:04 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:01:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:

> See attached for a possible solution...
>
> Contents:
>  - one Res file, containing a replacement TextBar.
>  - two sprite files, pNewSprs and pNewSprs22, to be merged with Sprites and
>    Sprites22 respectively.
>  - one sprite, "screen", showing my new traffic lights in use.

This is what I really like about the current Messenger - being able to
double-click on a file to see the contents without even having to extract
the file from the message.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1710
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:01:29 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: PGP security compromised!
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:29:41 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>
> > See attached for a possible solution...
> >
> > Contents:
> >  - one Res file, containing a replacement TextBar.
> >  - two sprite files, pNewSprs and pNewSprs22, to be merged with Sprites and
> >    Sprites22 respectively.
> >  - one sprite, "screen", showing my new traffic lights in use.
>
> This is what I really like about the current Messenger - being able to
> double-click on a file to see the contents without even having to
> extract the file from the message.

Not that you need to, of course, because sending binaries is always
evil...


PS :)

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 2071
From: [e-mail] (Thomas Boroske)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:01:37 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger and PGP - how?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:15:00 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Alisdair McDiarmid) wrote:

[ Unable to sign ]

> Hmm...  Unless...
>
> Does your key ID include you email address, and is that the same address as
> the user you were logged in as?  I *think* that Messenger depends entirely
> on the address part of the ID to select a key.


You're correct - I had this problem too at first (I've got
[e-mail] and [e-mail] both pointing to the
same physical email adress, the y0001006 thing is the 'real' one).
I've got newsbase configured so my mailadress is ws.rz.tu-bs.de but
my PGP key used T.Boroske@... in it's id.
You can add more user-id's to your key with pgp -ke
Make sure the username messenger uses is in the primary id then.

Kind regards,

--
Thomas Boroske

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2i

iQEVAgUBNOHPrnmA0lWREQNtAQHYUwf/SX1WXaAiKGR7DXSZlHmGpo15gB37b6Xc
hytas1agdsht2zi1s6gxMwfacZo3lhHXLxg7X54PC0KSTDyPi8xgGRC4aGChWoPF
jsaNChzbEK+/p18bDR5Oprzl/pPzb0vNWi44qeunosspSlZfA3Rrx0xkPomKs9wG
7NTVl26IiORo8VS5GB+2jOeRlwGDXLkzqhRUQvT89Bm/BaqMUc/zMV0MGgXIAgJ1
0CGWXrwXBh8IWj8EPjzYEjPwsTdhwwF5y89W+tJ2CGCqaQH2untCQ5GXGZaj6A8X
RLrdHZH0Cm37PTB18NT1GZQydm+rZAEMw+7X2N0WBkVTbpbB/93MUw==
=FU5m
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


#! rmail 1270
From: [e-mail] (Derek Marshall)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:01:45 +0000
Organization:
Subject: We like MIME, what about BinHex?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:06:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

MIME is great and seems to be very useful but I have some colleagues who
have Macs and hence send me things in BinHex format. As I understand it the
two are very similar and have only the character coding maps differing.

Is it possible to put BinHex decoding into the MIME code?

It seems to ask for BinHex 4.0 although this is probably just trying to get
people to buy someone's software package. I suppose that BinHex is a
standard coding no matter which version you have.

Derek.


--
 /^\  | Derek Marshall...
|___| |
\___/ | Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows '95
  %.  | [e-mail]    http://www.twintrees.demon.co.uk

#! rmail 1553
From: [e-mail] (Rodger Mayze)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:01:53 +0000
Organization: What's Organization then
Subject: Re: Can't read message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31b for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:28:39 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Rodger Mayze) wrote:
>
> > Since upgrading to !Messenger 1.31 I've been getting the message "unable to
> > open file" very often when reading news and mail.
>
> An update at http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/messenger/msgr131bup.zip should
> give the name of the offending file when this happens.  Anybody who is having
> this problem should install this update, and then please tell me which file
> names are giving it trouble.
>
I've found out what the problem was now. By using the update mentioned above
I found that the missing file was !messenger.resources.mimemap, so I got the
full zip file and found the missing bit inside it. It all works fine now,-- I
think.

Thanks for your help.
--
Rodger Mayze

#! rmail 1602
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:15:27 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re: "Number of messages" indication
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31b for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:31:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Cox) wrote:

>In the display headed "Messenger Newsreader (All)", the name of each folder,
>newsgroup, maillist is followed by two figures which I imagine should show
>total messages and number read (or perhaps unread).
>
>For every entry, both figures in each pair are the same which I know to be
>incorrect.  Is this a configuration error that I can sort out or is it more
>serious?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Phil.
>

In those circumstances it does mean 'all/all'

If you select unread it means 'unread/all' and if you select 'read' it
means 'read/all'. Basically the first number means the number of
messages which will appear when you open the directory having chosen
that option.

HTH
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 1881
From: [e-mail] ("iain truskett")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:40:13 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: We like MIME, what about BinHex?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:19:57 +1100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

well, for a start you could ask them to use MIME.
second, there's a good BinHex decoder that is freeware (no outlay other than
connection/online fees). I believe it copes with BinHex 4. Not being an avid
user of BinHex (i find MIME to be more recognised on alien platforms (and i
don't mean the AlienOS in ID4 which was MacOS compatible).

iain

-----Original Message-----
From: Derek Marshall <[e-mail]>
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L
<[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, 12 February 1998 22:16
Subject: We like MIME, what about BinHex?


MIME is great and seems to be very useful but I have some colleagues who
have Macs and hence send me things in BinHex format. As I understand it the
two are very similar and have only the character coding maps differing.

Is it possible to put BinHex decoding into the MIME code?

It seems to ask for BinHex 4.0 although this is probably just trying to get
people to buy someone's software package. I suppose that BinHex is a
standard coding no matter which version you have.

Derek.


--
/^\  | Derek Marshall...
|___| |
\___/ | Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows '95
  %.  | [e-mail]    http://www.twintrees.demon.co.uk




#! rmail 2300
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:40:22 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: We like MIME, what about BinHex?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:01:08 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Derek Marshall) wrote:

> MIME is great and seems to be very useful but I have some colleagues
> who have Macs and hence send me things in BinHex format. As I
> understand it the two are very similar and have only the character
> coding maps differing.
>
> Is it possible to put BinHex decoding into the MIME code?
>
> It seems to ask for BinHex 4.0 although this is probably just trying
> to get people to buy someone's software package. I suppose that BinHex
> is a standard coding no matter which version you have.

Sidestepping the fact that (as I understand things) you're probably
comparing BinHex and Base64...

My understanding (from attempting to find stuff that told me how to
decode BinHex 4.0 stuff - which I did) is that BinHex 4.0 is a
'standard', and that '4.0' is theoretically a version of that format.
In any case, it's slightly more complicated than just the mapping being
different, as BinHex was designed to safely encode and transport
Macintosh files. Mac files have two 'parts' (forks) to them: a resource
fork and a data fork. BinHex encodes these, along with some other
information and includes some (mild) support for RLE compression and
error checking.

Decoding BinHex files is still fairly trivial, but it's not as simple as
Base64 (in my opinion).

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1374
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:04:49 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: File buffering
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:56:07 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Since v1.30, Messenger uses file buffering for reading overview files and
processing messages.  Since these processes are disc-based, then buffering
helps to speed things up, although additional memory is required to do this.

The amount of memory used for buffering is configurable by means of the
Messenger$FileBufferSize system variable, so if you set this to something
large then you should find that opening groups and messages is made faster.
The default, if you don't set the variable, is 16384 bytes, i.e. 16KB.

If anybody wants to experiment with the setting of this variable, then I'd be
interested to hear if there is an optimum setting.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1229
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:59:47 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Toolbox bug
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:55:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

Acorn have today released a new version of the Toolbox module via their Acorn
Internet beta test web site.  Version 1.39 of this module has a bug which
might cause Messenger to crash under some circumstances.  After some
investigation of why Messenger was crashing a lot for me yesterday, I believe
that this was the cause.

Anybody who is beta testing Acorn Internet and thus is using Toolbox 1.39
should download v1.40 of this module from Acorn's web site.  Users of older
versions should not be affected.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1166
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:55:12 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Tab characters and PGP
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:37:40 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Manning) wrote:

> Write a message with a tab character in it.

> Save it, click on PGP sign, then Send.

> Click on Send in response to the message about tab characters.

> Reload Messenger.   :-(

> This seems to be reproducible, but it might be a problem with the way
> I've installed PGP.

It happens here too.  And I'm 99% sure my PGP installation is different
 from yours.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 1713
From: [e-mail] (Richard Atterer)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:33:25 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.31 (from v1.30)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:07:34 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Brian Howlett) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Anton Mans) typed these words of wisdom=
:
>=20
> > And may I make a two non-urgent suggestions?
> >=20
> > It would be very nice to be able to edit the "In message <xyz> you
> > said..." etc to my own preference.
>=20
> Just do what I have done, and edit the Messages file in
> !Messenger.Resources...

I would like Messenger to pick from several versions, German and English,
according to the "To" address and/or a special setting in the address boo=
k.

It looks a little strange if a German message begins with an English
attribution, and being too lazy, I usually don't bother putting in a
translated line...


Cheers,

  Richard

--=20
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  |_) /|  Richard Atterer
  | \/=AF|  http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/          raFS=
 V1.10
  =AF =B4` =AF
.. Does using ACORNS make you go NUTS?


#! rmail 1148
From: [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:52:59 +0000
Organization: ARMage Software
Subject: Re: Address book
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:40:43 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> Without a hierarchical address book the menu could end up being
> ridiculously long. An interim solution or even a good permanent idea
> would be an extra option to make an entry invisible in the menu but
> available by alias.

Please can we have the system used by Termite's bookmarks list.  I like
it!

--
Malcolm Boura, ARMage Software
http://www.armage.demon.co.uk

#! rmail 1501
From: [e-mail] (Rob Davison)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:53:07 +0000
Organization: Maple Glen
Subject: Re: Messenger 1.30 - 24 hours on...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:30:48 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> I expect there are plenty of groups where binaries are expected that don't
> have 'binary' in the name.
>
> Messenger should not prevent the user from doing what (s)he wants to do.

While I agree you should be able to post binaries to newsgroups I think
a warning when posting to any group not ending in '.binaries' would be a
very good idea (and while it should be possible to disable it I don't
think it should be made *too* easy to find).

How about:

"Warning: Your posting contains attachments (a total 65KB).
Are you SURE that binaries are accepted on this newsgroup?"


Oh, and thanks to Mark for writing something truly great...


Rob.
--
Rob Davison.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7320





#! rmail 1596
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:33:31 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: Toolbox bug
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:31:46 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) typed these words of wisdom:

> Acorn have today released a new version of the Toolbox module via their
> Acorn Internet beta test web site.  Version 1.39 of this module has a
> bug which might cause Messenger to crash under some circumstances.
> After some investigation of why Messenger was crashing a lot for me
> yesterday, I believe that this was the cause.
>
> Anybody who is beta testing Acorn Internet and thus is using Toolbox
> 1.39 should download v1.40 of this module from Acorn's web site.  Users
> of older versions should not be affected.
>
I've had a couple of odd crashes, usually when closing a Group Display
window or a News or Mailer window. This is using Toolbox 1.40, tho'...
--
Brian Howlett
-----------------------------------------------------
Kids? I love 'em! (But I couldn't eat a whole one ;-)


#! rmail 1548
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:30:22 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: Address book
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:27:33 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:
>
> > Without a hierarchical address book the menu could end up being
> > ridiculously long. An interim solution or even a good permanent idea
> > would be an extra option to make an entry invisible in the menu but
> > available by alias.
>
> Please can we have the system used by Termite's bookmarks list.  I like
> it!

Any chance of someone explaining it to those of us who've never seen
Termite, let alone used it?

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 967
From: [e-mail] (Andrew Black)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:16:56 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Address book
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:55:04 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura) wrote:

>
> Please can we have the system used by Termite's bookmarks list.  I like
> it!

Can you describe how it works and what you like about it (for those
that have not seen Termite)

--
Andrew Black


#! rmail 967
From: [e-mail] (Andrew Black)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:22:15 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Address book
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:55:04 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura) wrote:

>
> Please can we have the system used by Termite's bookmarks list.  I like
> it!

Can you describe how it works and what you like about it (for those
that have not seen Termite)

--
Andrew Black


#! rmail 1448
From: [e-mail] (Peter Burwood)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:45:29 +0000
Organization: At Home
Subject: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:34:43 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message. The
Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so easy to
miss. This means that you miss that there were other parts associated
with the message. The problem is that the indicatator is on the
periphery of my view, so I just do not see it, or look at it.

How about an indicator line in an auto appearing pane window which tells
me I am looking at part 1 of n ? Note, I do not mean in the ordinary
display part of the article, but an extension to the current pane that
appears at th top of the window. Note also, the auto appearing bit, so
that it is only drawn when necessary.

All these visual cues may look wonderful at first glance, but in
practical use they are, I'm sorry to say, next to useless because they
become invisible.

regards,
Pete

#! rmail 1786
From: [e-mail] (Andrew Black)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:09:01 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:38:41 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:

> I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message. The
> Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so easy to
> miss. This means that you miss that there were other parts associated
> with the message. The problem is that the indicatator is on the
> periphery of my view, so I just do not see it, or look at it.
>
> How about an indicator line in an auto appearing pane window which tells
> me I am looking at part 1 of n ? Note, I do not mean in the ordinary
> display part of the article, but an extension to the current pane that
> appears at th top of the window. Note also, the auto appearing bit, so
> that it is only drawn when necessary.

I would agree with this.  I received a mail where the 1st part was
empty, thought it odd and then noticed there was >1 part.
Maybe you could steal the area under subject line.  This could
serve a double duty - help text when the pointer is on an icon
or "part 1 of n" in red when at present it is blank.


--
Andrew Black


#! rmail 1203
From: [e-mail] (Philip Cox)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:09:09 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Header and Body retrieval
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:02:03 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Now that FreeNews ver 1.14 supports header retrieval I had hoped to be ab=
le to download article headers, flag those of interest, then download the=
 required bodies.  Whenever I try to flag a post of interest, Messenger t=
ells me "Operation not supported by freenews transport".

Is there a way to correct this or is the operation not yet possible?

Phil.
--=20
    _
 __/_'   _=20
/    \__/_'   _      Philip Cox
|    /    \__/_'
\____|    /    \
     \____|    |     At home on a RiscPC
          \____/     Web site at www.alanta.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 1241
From: [e-mail] (Peter Burwood)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:09:16 +0000
Organization: At Home
Subject: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:27:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

The message `There are no displayable parts in this message' is becoming
intensly annoying. I subscribe to a number of big 7 groups outside the
world of comp.sys.acorn.* and these get quite a few mesages with this
message. Needless to say the content is pure ascii and perfectly
displayable. The headers are typically

  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I)

Presently I must drag the message to an editor which is tedious and
slow. Please can something intelligent be done about displaying such
messages ?

regards,
Pete

#! rmail 1401
From: [e-mail] (John Smith)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:45:17 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Header and Body retrieval
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <$G0Cm9+696ntuO2w29n7P3f2J6>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:43:05 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>, Philip Cox
<[e-mail]> writes
>Now that FreeNews ver 1.14 supports header retrieval I had hoped to be able to
>download article headers, flag those of interest, then download the required
>bodies.  Whenever I try to flag a post of interest, Messenger tells me
>"Operation not supported by freenews transport".
>
>Is there a way to correct this or is the operation not yet possible?

Hi Phil,

Oops! I've not come across that one... Methinks that is a problem with
your copy of Messenger, It works for me... but then again my copy of
Messenger is rather ancient, and I can't check right now, as my RPC is
awaiting a new motherboard :-(


--
John Smith
Author, FreeNews.

#! rmail 656
From: [e-mail] (Nick Kennedy)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:10:46 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Please unsubscribe me
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:05:44 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Please unsubscribe me
--
Nick Kennedy ([e-mail])
... A wok is what you throw at a wabbit.

#! rmail 2300
From: [e-mail] (Kaustav Bhattacharya)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:15:30 +0000
Organization:
Subject: UUEncoding problems
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:12:06 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

I'm experiencing 'oddness' with Messenger 1.32's UUEncoding.  I recently
sent an attachment without MIME Encoding it, i.e just plain simple UUE.
The recepient was on a PC using Netscape Communicator Messenger.  He
said he got a large email with lots of random characters all over it :)
*lol*  Yes, it seems NSC Messenger didn't recognise the UUE as an
attachment and just dumped the code on screen.  The odd thing is, I then
sent him the file (a gif file) again using an old Unix mailer called
*gasp*  Mail! HA! :)  It uuencuded the gif file (as it's so old I don't
think it could even handle MIME!).  The receipient received the file and
was able to decode the file as NSC Messenger recognised it as an
attachments and allowed him to save the attachement out.  I find the
same thing with TIN, a Unix news reader.  If I send myself a bianry file
using TIN and chose the UUE email option, NSC Messenger can decode the
attachement just fine, but if I save send the same file from my RPC
using Messenger 1.32, for some reason when I receive it on the PC side,
the uu-code just gets dumped at the bottom of the message.  Why is this
happening?  I was rather flumoxed! :)  Anyway, it's not that drastic
really as one can MIME encode things now on Messenger so it's not really
a crippling problem.   Interestingly, I have noticed more and more unix
and PC/Mac email client no longer give UUE as an option anymore :(  Just
MIME.  What are the merits of MIME over UUE?

Kozzey

--
Kaustav Bhattacharya [ [e-mail] ]
http://redhotcountry.co.uk [ Keep an eye on Country music world wide ]
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~kozzey [ My personal website ]

#! rmail 1186
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:05:12 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:01:05 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Andrew Black) wrote:

> I would agree with this.  I received a mail where the 1st part was
> empty, thought it odd and then noticed there was >1 part.

I've seen a number of news messages like that as well. Maybe it
should default to displaying the first non-empty part rather than
the first part?

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...It is easier to run down a hill than up one.

#! rmail 1788
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:25:17 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Header and Body retrieval
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:18:27 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (John Smith) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>, Philip Cox
> <[e-mail]> writes
> > Now that FreeNews ver 1.14 supports header retrieval I had hoped to
> > be able to  download article headers, flag those of interest, then
> > download the required  bodies.  Whenever I try to flag a post of
> > interest, Messenger tells me  "Operation not supported by freenews
> > transport".
> >
> >Is there a way to correct this or is the operation not yet possible?
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> Oops! I've not come across that one... Methinks that is a problem with
> your copy of Messenger, It works for me... but then again my copy of
> Messenger is rather ancient, and I can't check right now, as my RPC is
> awaiting a new motherboard :-(

Wouldn't it be the transport? Perhaps Philip upgraded FreeNews all right
but forgot to upgrade the transport too.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1846
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:25:25 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:19:51 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:

> The message `There are no displayable parts in this message' is becoming
> intensly annoying. I subscribe to a number of big 7 groups outside the
> world of comp.sys.acorn.* and these get quite a few mesages with this
> message. Needless to say the content is pure ascii and perfectly
> displayable. The headers are typically
>
>   MIME-Version: 1.0
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>   X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I)

I had the same problem with UTF-7 being used on the Videotron mailing
list. Perhaps Messenger could deduce that the contents can be displayed
as text, seeing as the "attachments" are shown as text.

> Presently I must drag the message to an editor which is tedious and
> slow. Please can something intelligent be done about displaying such
> messages ?

It isn't quite that bad, you can double-click on the file on the
attachment bar.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1593
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:35:24 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:24:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Andrew Black) wrote:
>
> > I would agree with this.  I received a mail where the 1st part was
> > empty, thought it odd and then noticed there was >1 part.
>
> I've seen a number of news messages like that as well. Maybe it
> should default to displaying the first non-empty part rather than
> the first part?

Wouldn't that make you even less likely to notice that there are more
parts? What it needs is something to be highlighted very obviously.
Maybe the "Parts" label could have a red background when there are
multiple parts, and even flash once as the message is opened.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1859
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:55:19 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:42:42 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:
>
> > I've seen a number of news messages like that as well. Maybe it
> > should default to displaying the first non-empty part rather than
> > the first part?
>
> Wouldn't that make you even less likely to notice that there are more
> parts? What it needs is something to be highlighted very obviously.
> Maybe the "Parts" label could have a red background when there are
> multiple parts, and even flash once as the message is opened.

I wasn't particularly disagreeing that the parts indicator shouldn't
be clearer as well, just that it might also make sense to display the
first non-empty part as you're unlikely to be interesting in reading
an empty part ;-)

I'm not sure making the background red is the right solution though
as those sort of gaudy colour schemes usually just look really naff
on a RISC OS desktop.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...One will not have needed the future perfect in one's entire life.

#! rmail 3590
From: [e-mail] (Peter Burwood)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:00:19 +0000
Organization: At Home
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:46:56 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Andrew Black) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:
>
> > I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message. The
> > Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so easy to
> > miss. This means that you miss that there were other parts associated
> > with the message. The problem is that the indicatator is on the
> > periphery of my view, so I just do not see it, or look at it.
> >
> > How about an indicator line in an auto appearing pane window which tells
> > me I am looking at part 1 of n ? Note, I do not mean in the ordinary
> > display part of the article, but an extension to the current pane that
> > appears at th top of the window. Note also, the auto appearing bit, so
> > that it is only drawn when necessary.
>
> I would agree with this.  I received a mail where the 1st part was
> empty, thought it odd and then noticed there was >1 part.
> Maybe you could steal the area under subject line.  This could
> serve a double duty - help text when the pointer is on an icon
> or "part 1 of n" in red when at present it is blank.

I knew I should have covered this, but it was late. It would be nice,
except when the mouse is left over one of the icons and the help text is
permanently on or the mouse is nudged. While both can be relatively
easily overcome, that is the problem with doubling up that type of
information line (a mouse sensitive and a context sensitive line).

I was going to suggest that the auto appearing pane could have one line
per additional attachment and clicking on those attachments caused that
one to be displayed. This could be nice, because it would remove the
need for the attachment pane which does appear at the bottom for mime
encoded attachments. This pane could be a line per attachment or say 10
characters worth per attachment.

  +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
  |   Normal messenger pane information appears here                |
  |                                                                 |
  +.................................................................+
  | |Attach1| |Attach2| |Attach3|...                                |
  +-----------------------------------------------------------------+

or

  | Attachement one with mime content line                          |
  | Attachement two with mime content line                          |
  | Attachement three with mime content line                        |
  +-----------------------------------------------------------------+

Configurable, so the user could choose would be best. Thinking some
more, you need an information line for the first part too, or you adjust
the attachment display to display the parts not currently visible.

regards,
Pete

#! rmail 1272
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:04:01 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:02:07 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:

> I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message. The
> Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so easy to
> miss.

I think the best way to handle this is to have an external top left button
bar appear when displaying a multipart message.  The current parts buttons
and pop up menu would then be relocated to this pane.

Comments?

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2297
From: [e-mail] (Philip Cox)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:00:45 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Header and Body retrieval
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:53:57 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (John Smith) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>, Philip Cox
> > <[e-mail]> writes
> > > Now that FreeNews ver 1.14 supports header retrieval I had hoped to
> > > be able to  download article headers, flag those of interest, then
> > > download the required  bodies.  Whenever I try to flag a post of
> > > interest, Messenger tells me  "Operation not supported by freenews
> > > transport".
> > >
> > >Is there a way to correct this or is the operation not yet possible?
> >
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > Oops! I've not come across that one... Methinks that is a problem with
> > your copy of Messenger, It works for me... but then again my copy of
> > Messenger is rather ancient, and I can't check right now, as my RPC is
> > awaiting a new motherboard :-(
>
> Wouldn't it be the transport? Perhaps Philip upgraded FreeNews all right
> but forgot to upgrade the transport too.
>

You may have identified the problem, Tony, but I'm unsure of the solution.
I did not upgrade the transport because the upgrade to Freenews 1.14 has no
transport upgrade with it.  The only additional upgrade was the archive
of addgroup which I dutifully downloaded.

If an upgrded transport is required, where is it?

Phil.



--
    _
 __/_'   _
/    \__/_'   _      Philip Cox
|    /    \__/_'
\____|    /    \
     \____|    |     At home on a RiscPC
          \____/     Web site at www.alanta.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 2823
From: [e-mail] (Richard Atterer)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:20:24 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:51:27 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:
>=20
> > I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message. Th=
e
> > Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so easy=
 to
> > miss.
>=20
> I think the best way to handle this is to have an external top left but=
ton
> bar appear when displaying a multipart message.  The current parts butt=
ons
> and pop up menu would then be relocated to this pane.
>=20
> Comments?

Sounds good, though my personal preference would be to have all displayab=
le
parts displayed in the same window, seperated e.g. by the "divider" Wimp
sprite. Parts that cannot be displayed could be listed at the top of the
message like they are now, though not in a pane, but in the scrollable ar=
ea.
The pane takes up quite a lot of space.

An option to display a part as ASCII regardless of the content-type would=
 be
great!


Aside from that, I noticed a few things using MIME:

- The "MIME-Version" etc. headers are added a second time if they are alr=
eady
there after the message has been edited. (I sometimes re-send mails, so I
noticed.)

- Netscrap & Co. tend to produce weird "From", "To" or "Subject" lines if
these contain top bit-set characters. IMHO Messenger should never *create=
*
something like:
  Subject: =3D?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_Netscape_ist_bl=3DF6d
but it should convert it into a readable form for displaying and replying.

- I have "Assume 8 bit transport" enabled in my Choices. As long as I don=
't
tick "MIME" in the Send mail window, everything is fine, but once I do, t=
op
bit-set characters are converted into quoted-printable despite a
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1
line in the headers. Is this behaviour intended?


Cheers,

  Richard

--=20
  __   _
  |_) /|  Richard Atterer
  | \/=AF|  http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/          raFS=
 V1.11
  =AF =B4` =AF
.. "Peter? Chris here - just imagine: Galileo has just said '+=F3fl=E5+=F3=
fl=E5'!!"


#! rmail 1070
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:31:20 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:27:31 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Messenger v1.33 is now available from the usual sources.  Highlights
include:

  - Speech support
  - Faster message display
  - 24 bit colour
  - Move to folder menu option
  - Now displays the ID of the PGP key used to sign a message
  - Better stability

All users of v1.3x are advised to upgrade to this release at the earliest
opportunity.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1496
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:59:24 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:11:18 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:

[snip an idea I think is quite nice]
> Configurable, so the user could choose would be best. Thinking some
> more, you need an information line for the first part too, or you
> adjust the attachment display to display the parts not currently
> visible.

..but I would hate for it to change like that. All parts should be
displayed at all times, otherwise you have the 'fun' time of trying to
work out where the part you want has shifted to. Not hard, but
irritating.

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1709
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:59:33 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:43:12 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e


 > > I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message. The
 > > Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so easy to
 > > miss.
 >
 > I think the best way to handle this is to have an external top left button
 > bar appear when displaying a multipart message.  The current parts buttons
 > and pop up menu would then be relocated to this pane.

Ummm, I'd be against this for the reason that my message display window
is already at the top left of the screen, so another bar there would
either obsucre part of the message, or appear off screen. :-)

For consistency, surely a "parts" bar should occupy the same space as
the attachments bar at the bottom of the message window?

         Anthony

--
   |   On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements"   |
   |         section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better"          |
   |                                                                   |
   |                       So I installed Linux.                       |








#! rmail 775
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:00:31 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:53:49 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

It's unbelievable, the pace that Messenger develops. Speech - great.

Any chance of a button/hotkey to activate it?

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1478
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:00:37 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 02:51:27 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) typed these words of wisdom:

> Messenger v1.33 is now available from the usual sources.  Highlights
> include:
[snip]
>
> All users of v1.3x are advised to upgrade to this release at the
> earliest opportunity.
>
I've just received the above via Messenger.Binary, but the archive is
corrupted. When I try to unpack it, the error from Spark is "Bad CRC
0deadc06 (should be 010fbd79)"

Reading the raw text of the message, the UUcoded part is started and
finished with "Begin PGP Signature" and "End PGP Signature". Shurley
shome mishtake?
--
Brian Howlett
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I was going to join the Apathetic Society, but I couldn't be bothered...


#! rmail 1816
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:00:46 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:13:53 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:
>
> > I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message.
> > The Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so
> > easy to miss.
>
> I think the best way to handle this is to have an external top left
> button bar appear when displaying a multipart message.  The current
> parts buttons and pop up menu would then be relocated to this pane.
>
> Comments?

I'd rather keep the information contained within the window - it has a
nice footprint as it is, and suddenly growing things that poked about
would be annoying.
(I tend to stack things all over the desktop, and thus use the space
 just outside the Messenger window to read things through...)

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1315
From: [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:52:49 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "Peter Burwood" on Feb 02, 1998 at 12:09:16PM
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:25:56 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Peter Burwood <[e-mail]> wrote:
> The message `There are no displayable parts in this message' is becoming
> intensly annoying.
>
>   MIME-Version: 1.0
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>   X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I)

Doesn't look like there's anything displayable there to me. Do you have
a Japanese font installed on your machine?

(I think a 'force display' option is nice in a mailer, of course.)

Cheers


Jon
--
____
\  //    Jon Ribbens    // 100MB virtual-hosted // www.oaktree.co.uk
 \// [e-mail] //  web space for 99UKP //

#! rmail 1739
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Watson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:55:34 +0000
Organization: People's Front of Sartar
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:13:02 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:

> The message `There are no displayable parts in this message' is becoming
> intensly annoying. I subscribe to a number of big 7 groups outside the
> world of comp.sys.acorn.* and these get quite a few mesages with this
> message. Needless to say the content is pure ascii and perfectly
> displayable. The headers are typically
>
>   MIME-Version: 1.0
>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>   X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I)

I'm also getting the same problem with the following headers:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by thor.ax.com id EAA25949


--
Stephen Watson - http://www.kerofin.demon.co.uk/ - Glorantha & RISC OS
"For my comrades in the darkness I will provide the light
 With the souls of these unbelievers, I will create another star"

#! rmail 1611
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:55:44 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:38:11 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Brian Howlett) wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]>
>          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) typed these words of wisdom:
>
>> Messenger v1.33 is now available from the usual sources.  Highlights
>> include:
>[snip]
>>
>> All users of v1.3x are advised to upgrade to this release at the
>> earliest opportunity.
>>
>I've just received the above via Messenger.Binary, but the archive is
>corrupted. When I try to unpack it, the error from Spark is "Bad CRC
>0deadc06 (should be 010fbd79)"
>
>Reading the raw text of the message, the UUcoded part is started and
>finished with "Begin PGP Signature" and "End PGP Signature". Shurley
>shome mishtake?

No problems with the download here.
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 2100
From: [e-mail] (David Graddol)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:45:38 +0000
Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:24:21 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e



In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:
>
> > The message `There are no displayable parts in this message' is becoming
> > intensly annoying. I subscribe to a number of big 7 groups outside the
> > world of comp.sys.acorn.* and these get quite a few mesages with this
> > message. Needless to say the content is pure ascii and perfectly
> > displayable. The headers are typically
> >
> >   MIME-Version: 1.0
> >   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
> >   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >   X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I)
>
> I'm also getting the same problem with the following headers:
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by thor.ax.com id EAA25949
>

Presumably Messenger doesn't know about a great many charsets. As many
messages carry local flavours of ascii charsets (but which nevertheless
display perfectly adequately), this is something a restriction. I
recently had one posted from Norway with

 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="NS_4551-1"

The message was in English and there was not a single character
which was not vanilla ascii but I got the old 'no displayable parts'
message

David Graddol



#! rmail 1464
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:05:22 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens) wrote:

> Peter Burwood <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > The message `There are no displayable parts in this message' is becoming
> > intensly annoying.
> >
> >   MIME-Version: 1.0
> >   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
> >   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >   X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I)
>
> Doesn't look like there's anything displayable there to me. Do you have
> a Japanese font installed on your machine?

You're assuming there are no latin characters in iso-2022
though. I have no idea whether there are but there may well
be.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...It is a wise father that knows his own child.

#! rmail 1378
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:30:29 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: "Posting news" to mailing lists
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:22:30 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Would it be possible to have some mechanism to allow "posting" to a
mailing list from the main newsgroups window? ATM if you click on "Post
new news" only genuine newsgroups appear in the menu attached to the
Post news dialogue box. I realise you can't really mix mailing lists
into the menu at this point, so maybe clicking Adjust on the original
Post icon could open a "Post news to mailing list" dialogue, but instead
of the menu containing the address book it could contain the subscribed
mailing lists.

This would make it unnecessary to include mailing lists in address
books, keeping their size down.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 964
From: [e-mail] (Barrie Hawkyard)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:10:29 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33 (from v1.30)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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On 15 Feb, Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I've unsubscribed to messenger, can you stop sending please.

--
Barrie Hawkyard
Using StrongArm Acorn Computers - for Perfect Computing
http://www.hawkyard.demon.co.uk/

.. Hackers do it with bugs.


#! rmail 2327
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:45:18 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:06:36 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Burwood) wrote:
>> I do not like the way that multi parts are indicated in a message. The
>> Parts indicator in the article header pane and arrows is just so easy to
>> miss.

> I think the best way to handle this is to have an external top left button
> bar appear when displaying a multipart message.  The current parts buttons
> and pop up menu would then be relocated to this pane.

Not a good idea; it could easily obscure part of the TextBar pane, although
the message window would have to be at or near the left edge of the screen
for this to occur. (Guess where I put the message window...)

It might be better to keep them all in TextBar, moving them to the left -
something like:
    traffic lights, parts icons, previous thread, previous msg...

(This makes sense in that when you look to see who sent the message, the
traffic lights etc. are hard to miss due to their proximity to the sender's
name and address.)

I agree with Peter's comments elsewhere in this thread that the part number
(and the number of parts) should be displayed somwhere sensible, although I'd
say that it should appear in the TextBar pane.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master
|   BMPSprite. DrawMerge. DrawShape.

Retrocomputing: the cheesier the machine, the more desirable it is.


#! rmail 1166
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:15:23 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> Messenger v1.33 is now available from the usual sources.  Highlights
> include:

[snip]
>   - Now displays the ID of the PGP key used to sign a message

I'm still puzzled by this!  Where is it shown?  Have I gone blind, or just
stupid??






Ah...

Stupid, it is then :-(

For anyone else as stupid as me, the 'From' field under to toolbar becomes
'Signed' after verification.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 1115
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:15:31 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:45:15 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Brian Howlett) wrote:

[snip]
> Reading the raw text of the message, the UUcoded part is started and
> finished with "Begin PGP Signature" and "End PGP Signature". Shurley
> shome mishtake?

It's not corrupt here.  No trouble using SparkFS.

It *is* correct that the message is enclosed by those PGP bits, because
it's been PGP signed.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 1476
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:24:25 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:14:36 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
   [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) typed these words of wisdom:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>          [e-mail] (Brian Howlett) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> Reading the raw text of the message, the UUcoded part is started and
>> finished with "Begin PGP Signature" and "End PGP Signature". Shurley
>> shome mishtake?
>
> It's not corrupt here.  No trouble using SparkFS.
>
> It *is* correct that the message is enclosed by those PGP bits, because
> it's been PGP signed.
>
Hmmm... I must have got it corrupted somehow. I think I'll just toddle
along to the WWW site to get it!
--
Brian Howlett
-----------------------------------------------
Watch out... you might get what you're after...


#! rmail 1418
From: [e-mail] (Glyn Royds)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:55:16 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.41 (Acorn RISC OS)
Precedence: bulk
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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:31:20 +0000 Mark Sawle said:

> Messenger v1.33 is now available from the usual sources.  Highlights
> include:
>
>   - Speech support
>   - Faster message display
>   - 24 bit colour
>   - Move to folder menu option
>   - Now displays the ID of the PGP key used to sign a message
>   - Better stability

All great work Mark! I don't suppose you could add threading to
personal mailboxes and folders now could you? Oh, and how about
a resource set with text rather than picture icons (preferably
taking up a less room - wouldn't need the Help line either ;-)

--
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,_/ ,_/           ,_/           [e-mail]


#! rmail 2402
From: [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:20:29 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, United Kingdom
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:18:51 +0000
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens) wrote:
>
> > Peter Burwood <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > The message `There are no displayable parts in this message' is becoming
> > > intensly annoying.
> > >
> > >   MIME-Version: 1.0
> > >   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp
> > >   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > >   X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [ja] (Win95; I)
> >
> > Doesn't look like there's anything displayable there to me. Do you have
> > a Japanese font installed on your machine?
>
> You're assuming there are no latin characters in iso-2022
> though. I have no idea whether there are but there may well
> be.
>

Indeed there are. Any English text in an ISO-2022-JP document will be
perfectly legible. I would suggest that as Messenger is unable to
do anything with the charset parameter, it should just ignore it, perhaps
displaying some note at the top of the message if it reckons it's
unknown.

--
Kevin Bracey, Senior Software Engineer
Acorn Computers Ltd                           Tel: [phone]
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road               Fax: [phone]
Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom            WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/

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#! rmail 1710
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:45:56 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:38:52 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> It's unbelievable, the pace that Messenger develops. Speech - great.
> Any chance of a button/hotkey to activate it?

Unfortunately Messenger's button bar is a bit full at the moment, so I don't
want to put a button in there for it.  Even if I did make room, there's
probably some other button which would be a better choice instead.

A keyboard shortcut would be good though, and while on the subject, if
somebody would like to come up with a good set of keyboard shortcuts for
everything in Messenger, then that would be great.  I keep meaning to sit
down and have a good think about this, but I always get put off.

Please don't send me any Res files with them already implemented though,
because I never blindly incorporate changes from other people, and so it
would create more work for me to transfer them across.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2399
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:06:44 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:47:02 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Glyn Royds) wrote:

> I don't suppose you could add threading to personal mailboxes and folders
> now could you?

It's not a matter of adding threading to those kinds of group, but one of
removing the code that disables it.  This means it's extremely easy to do,
but then I need to create new T-sprites for mailboxes and folders so you can
tell that threading is enabled.

If somebody wants to do that for me then that would be great, but I may be
getting rid of them all together in favour of a new way to control the
threading of groups.

> Oh, and how about a resource set with text rather than picture icons
> (preferably taking up a less room - wouldn't need the Help line either ;-)

Text icons would have to be larger though, unless you had something like this
in mind:

PTh PMg NMg NTh Hdr Rpy Fwp Sve Pnt Mrk Lck Del

But seriously, why would text icons be better?  The only argument I can think
of is that picture icons may be harder to understand at first, but that's
what the help bar is there for, and as you spend more time using Messenger
then you'll eventually learn what the buttons do.  Pictures look much more
attractive than plain text, and since the RISC OS Desktop is a graphical user
interface, wouldn't you expect its applications to follow suit?

I'm not willing to add support for both, as it doubles the amount of work
needed to make changes to the button bars, and adds the risk of them running
out of step.  The help bar was always intended as the final compromise in the
text vs. picture icons debate.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1629
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:55:35 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:47:33 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:
>
> > It's unbelievable, the pace that Messenger develops. Speech - great.
> > Any chance of a button/hotkey to activate it?
>
> Unfortunately Messenger's button bar is a bit full at the moment, so I
> don't want to put a button in there for it.  Even if I did make room,
> there's probably some other button which would be a better choice
> instead.

Along this line, are we ever likely to see a 'configurable' button bar
for Messenger, so we can decide what we think is important enough to be
on a button?

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1660
From: [e-mail] (Richard Atterer)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:25:26 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Messenger v1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:02:15 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> Messenger v1.33 is now available from the usual sources.  Highlights
> include:
[snip]
>   - Now displays the ID of the PGP key used to sign a message

Gosh, that was implemented quickly - thanks, Mark!

It should be enabled by default, though, because few people will realise =
the
problem of faked From addresses, but valid signatures. (Maybe displaying =
the
text could be integrated a bit more? <duck> )

I have a problem - if I try to use the option, I just get an error messag=
e as
apparently Messenger Filer_Run's the "PGPOut" file which is filetyped
"Data", and Alias$@RunType_FFD isn't set up on my machine.


Cheers,

  Richard

--=20
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  |_) /|  Richard Atterer
  | \/=AF|  http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/          raFS=
 V1.11
  =AF =B4` =AF
.. "Bother", said Pooh, as he started up Impression Style.


#! rmail 1490
From: [e-mail] (Jamie Michael Temple)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:54:45 +0000
Organization: nospam
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:16:35 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey) wrote:

[snip]
>
> Indeed there are. Any English text in an ISO-2022-JP document will be
> perfectly legible. I would suggest that as Messenger is unable to
> do anything with the charset parameter, it should just ignore it, perhaps
> displaying some note at the top of the message if it reckons it's
> unknown.
>


.. just an idea, but seeing as you Acorn people have come up with a
universal resources directory in the form of !Unicode, would it not be
possible for Mark to utilise this?  I notice that there is an ISO-2022
directory (mentioned earlier).

  I guess that this would only work for outline fonts.

  Just my 1/2p.


Later...

Jamie.


--
Jamie Michael Temple - jamie&parsed-out^demon^co^uk


#! rmail 1786
From: [e-mail] ("iain truskett")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:55:30 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4
Precedence: bulk
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sorry for seeming completely out of touch, but where is this !Unicode? I've
never heard of it.

iain

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Michael Temple <[e-mail]>
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L
<[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, 18 February 1998 12:56
Subject: Re: No displayable parts


In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey) wrote:

[snip]
>
> Indeed there are. Any English text in an ISO-2022-JP document will be
> perfectly legible. I would suggest that as Messenger is unable to
> do anything with the charset parameter, it should just ignore it, perhaps
> displaying some note at the top of the message if it reckons it's
> unknown.
>


.. just an idea, but seeing as you Acorn people have come up with a
universal resources directory in the form of !Unicode, would it not be
possible for Mark to utilise this?  I notice that there is an ISO-2022
directory (mentioned earlier).

  I guess that this would only work for outline fonts.

  Just my 1/2p.


Later...

Jamie.


--
Jamie Michael Temple - jamie&parsed-out^demon^co^uk





#! rmail 1157
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:55:39 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Unexpected PGP verification
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:07:37 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Since using Messenger 1.33 I have noticed two PGP signed postings that
have been verified (green light) despite the fact that I most
definitely do not have the appropriate public keys.

When I reverted to 1.31 I was given the expected message that the
signatures could not be verified.

One signature was in Kevin Bracey's posting Tuesday evening if anyone
wants to check it out.

Any ideas?
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 1810
From: [e-mail] (Glyn Royds)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:55:49 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:55:35 +0000 Ariancylch said:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately Messenger's button bar is a bit full at the moment, so I
> > don't want to put a button in there for it.  Even if I did make room,
> > there's probably some other button which would be a better choice
> > instead.
>
> Along this line, are we ever likely to see a 'configurable' button bar
> for Messenger, so we can decide what we think is important enough to be
> on a button?

Now there's an idea! (And a textual version please - with the ability
to switch the 'help line' off ;-)

And while I'm here - you can drag articles from the list window outside
and drop them on, say, !Zap but nothing happens. Why not start a data
transfer if an article is droppped onto another application? This would
remove the 'save article' icon if nothing else (even if it did add a
menu entry for 'Save as' options....)

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#! rmail 2814
From: [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:55:59 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, United Kingdom
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jamie Michael Temple) wrote:

>
> ... just an idea, but seeing as you Acorn people have come up with a
> universal resources directory in the form of !Unicode, would it not be
> possible for Mark to utilise this?  I notice that there is an ISO-2022
> directory (mentioned earlier).
>
>   I guess that this would only work for outline fonts.
>
>   Just my 1/2p.
>

Yesss... The !Unicode resource currently just contains mapping tables
 from other encodings to ISO10646/Unicode. In conjunction with a small
library, this allows you to handle read and write any encoding as long
as you can handle Unicode. That's the tricky bit :). The current release
of !Browse can handle Unicode internally (and does), it just isn't
equipped with any way to display anything beyond Latin-1...

Can ZapRedraw handle big font files? What's required for European languages
is just the ability to handle fonts with about 600 characters spread across
about 9000 codes. For Far Eastern languages you need to handle over
9000 characters spread across 65000 codes, with some characters being
double-width.

If anyone's interested, I've put up a big image containing over 28000
16x16 glyphs that covers all the commonly used CJK characters on my
web page (http://www.acorn.co.uk/~kbracey/). It's sourced from various
free fonts I found on the 'net. If you could add the ideographs to an
existing 8x16 font, you might get somewhere...

--
Kevin Bracey, Senior Software Engineer
Acorn Computers Ltd                           Tel: [phone]
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road               Fax: [phone]
Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom            WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/

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#! rmail 1894
From: [e-mail] (jAmES Lawson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:05:25 +0000
Organization: CCl4 - http://www.ccl4.org/
Subject: Re: Parts and indicators
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Sounds good, though my personal preference would be to have all displayable
> parts displayed in the same window, seperated e.g. by the "divider" Wimp
> sprite. Parts that cannot be displayed could be listed at the top of the
> message like they are now, though not in a pane, but in the scrollable area.
> The pane takes up quite a lot of space.

Personal preference for me would be to have a user-interface which was
clear, simple and straight forward - rather than this mess of silly little
meaningless icons with a compromise solution of a 'help bar'.

> An option to display a part as ASCII regardless of the content-type would be
> great!

One better than that would be to have the option, which is there for
saving and printing, of displaying the message 'raw'.

I've just noticed that messenger hides PGP signatures from me - how am
I supposed to get annoyed with them and moan if I can't see them! <g>

jAmES
--
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#! rmail 617
From: [e-mail] (Robin Cullingford)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:05:33 +0000
Organization:
Subject: SIGNOFF messenger-l
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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#! rmail 1026
From: [e-mail] (Adrian Ireland)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:40:33 +0000
Organization: Procrastinators Anon.
Subject: Whereis Speak(ch)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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Hi,


Now that there is speak (ch)

Where does one get the speak program from.

I checked hensa and it is not in the index.

Is this freeware? Shareware? commercial?

Adrian.
--
Adrian Ireland [e-mail] http://indigo.ie/~aireland/
If quitters never win, and winners never cheat, then who is the fool who said "Quit while you're ahead"?


#! rmail 1178
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:50:17 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: PGP output??
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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When 'Show PGP output' is selected, an error message arises 'No
application found ...' when the verify traffic lights are clicked.

I presume a task window should be opening at this point. Is it happening
to anyone else? Any ideas? I'm using Zap 1.35, if that helps.

Having just checked my scrap dir, the PGP output appears here as a data
file.

As an aside, maybe the addition of Speak isn't such a gimmick as it might
at first appear. It's revealed an fair number of broken sig separators on
the newsgroups.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available
..
.

#! rmail 1138
From: [e-mail] (Mike)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:15:12 +0000
Organization: Top Gun.
Subject: Re: V1.30, 1.31 & 1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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Sorry but I'm finding that the above versions all fall over pretty regularly.
I am using an A3K with ARM33 4Meg & 120HD.

There seems to be nothing obvious as to why ut it happens more often when
deleting mail or ng postings.

Any help please/

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I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure now

#! rmail 1368
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:18:44 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: V1.30, 1.31 & 1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:

> Sorry but I'm finding that the above versions all fall over pretty
> regularly.  I am using an A3K with ARM33 4Meg & 120HD.

How does it fall over?  Please amend !Messenger.!Run as indicated at the
bottom of the file, to enable backtrace logging.  Then after the problem has
occurred, please send me a copy of !Messenger.Errors (you'll need to take a
copy before starting Messenger, because it keeps this file open).  This will
hopefully tell me where the problem lies.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1318
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:52:22 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Whereis Speak(ch)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Adrian Ireland) wrote:

> Where does one get the speak program from.

Speak is commercial (costs =A319.50) and is written by Jonathan Duddingto=
n of
Pluto fame.  You can find out more about it from Jonathan's web site at
http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jsd/

You can download a demo from the same site, but note that this won't work=

with Messenger - you'll have to buy the full version for that.

--=20
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2921
From: [e-mail] (Jamie Michael Temple)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:55:21 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:53:15 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Jamie Michael Temple) wrote:
>
> >
> > ... just an idea, but seeing as you Acorn people have come up with a
> > universal resources directory in the form of !Unicode, would it not be
> > possible for Mark to utilise this?  I notice that there is an ISO-2022
> > directory (mentioned earlier).
> >
> >   I guess that this would only work for outline fonts.
> >
>
> Yesss... The !Unicode resource currently just contains mapping tables
> from other encodings to ISO10646/Unicode. In conjunction with a small
> library, this allows you to handle read and write any encoding as long
> as you can handle Unicode. That's the tricky bit :). The current release
> of !Browse can handle Unicode internally (and does), it just isn't
> equipped with any way to display anything beyond Latin-1...
>

Is this not what we are looking for? Earlier posts complained of Messenger
not displaying mail that was labelled as having an alien character-set.
(quite rightly IMHO, If we're going 2 adhere strictly 2 this MIME thingy)
Would utilising unicode not allow Messenger to translate alien character-sets
into Latin-1, hence (where mapping tables exist) remove the 'No displayable
parts' problem?

.. I guess that, from what you say, my earlier assumption that this only
works for outline fonts is wrong, that unicode could equally well be used
with Zap's bitmaps.

Out of interest, what does Browse do when it can't map a char to one in
Latin-1?


> Can ZapRedraw handle big font files? What's required for European languages
> is just the ability to handle fonts with about 600 characters spread across
> about 9000 codes. For Far Eastern languages you need to handle over
> 9000 characters spread across 65000 codes, with some characters being
> double-width.
>

Off subject, but have the Far Eastern character-set problems been resolved?
Last thing I heard, there were a large number of people upset because ISO
decided to drop a large number of chars from thier 'standard' set.


Later...

Jamie.


--
Jamie Michael Temple - jamie&parsed-out^demon^co^uk


#! rmail 1686
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:19:51 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: "Copy to" doesn't work (1.33)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hi!

Is it a bug that i can't copy/move a posting or a mail to a
folder, or am i missing something?

The Menu "Message -> Copy To" works only for "outgoing.news" and
"outgoing.mail", but not for "archive.tkarwoth" or "NewsFind"
folders. ("Move to" gives the same problem)

Bye,

   Torsten


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 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
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#! rmail 1335
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:23:57 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: "Copy to" doesn't work (1.33)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> The Menu "Message -> Copy To" works only for "outgoing.news" and
> "outgoing.mail", but not for "archive.tkarwoth" or "NewsFind"
> folders. ("Move to" gives the same problem)

It seems to work only for private folders, and not for public ones.  That's
obviously a bug.

In case you weren't aware though, Messenger does support drag and drop of
messages between folders, so you can use that while waiting for a fix.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1347
From: [e-mail] ("Malcolm J. Bean")
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:55:23 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Unexpected PGP verification
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:23:02 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:

> Since using Messenger 1.33 I have noticed two PGP signed postings that
> have been verified (green light) despite the fact that I most
> definitely do not have the appropriate public keys.
>
> When I reverted to 1.31 I was given the expected message that the
> signatures could not be verified.
>
> One signature was in Kevin Bracey's posting Tuesday evening if anyone
> wants to check it out.
>
Yes, I get the same and I don't have his public key either.

What about this posting?

> Any ideas?

Nope.

--
mal

PGP Public Key: <http://www.taff.demon.co.uk>
#! rmail 1518
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:48:27 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Unexpected PGP verification
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Powell) wrote:

> Since using Messenger 1.33 I have noticed two PGP signed postings that
> have been verified (green light) despite the fact that I most
> definitely do not have the appropriate public keys.

This only seems to happen if you have the 'Auto verify PGP signatures' option
switched on.  There's a bug which means that signatures aren't auto verified,
but are automatically given the green light.  If you turn this option off,
then signature verification will work as it should.

This bug is fixed in v1.34 which I'll try to release tomorrow when I've got
rid of some of the other bugs that have been reported.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2518
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:05:57 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:23:41 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:
>> It's unbelievable, the pace that Messenger develops. Speech - great. Any
>> chance of a button/hotkey to activate it?

> Unfortunately Messenger's button bar is a bit full at the moment, so I
> don't want to put a button in there for it.  Even if I did make room,
> there's probably some other button which would be a better choice instead.

Probably, yes ;-)

> A keyboard shortcut would be good though, and while on the subject, if
> somebody would like to come up with a good set of keyboard shortcuts for
> everything in Messenger, then that would be great.  I keep meaning to sit
> down and have a good think about this, but I always get put off.

Hmm. The shortcuts as they stand are largely OK, I think; however:

Window "Text"
    scUp    Previous part
    scDown    Next part
    cV    Verify
    cQ    Speak
    cA    Reply to all
    cG    Followup & mail copy
    cUp    Top of text
    cDown    Bottom of text
    cF2    Close window

Window "EditAddress"
    cP    Can handle PGP
    cC    Can handle MIME

Windows "Group", "GroupList":
    I'm sure that Up, Down, sUp and sDown are supposed to do something
    here :-)
    cUp    Top of list
    cDown    Bottom of list
    cF2    Close window

Window "PostNews":
    cS    PGP sign

Window "SaveMsgW":
    cT    Main text only
    cI    Include headers
    cW    Whole message
    cR    Raw message

Window "SendMail":
    cC    MIME encoding
    cS    PGP sign
    cE    PGP encrypt

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | nr Ashington, Northumberland
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | Season ticket | free mail, news
|   ZapEmail. ZapDS. MakeExtern.

Nearly finished downloading that large archive... *click* NO CARRIER


#! rmail 811
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:30:27 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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The only reason I continue to use another mail package at work is that it
supports IMAP where Messenger does not.

What about it, Mark? How feasible would support for IMAP in Messenger be?

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 1257
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:39:28 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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 > The only reason I continue to use another mail package at work is that it
 > supports IMAP where Messenger does not.
 >
 > What about it, Mark? How feasible would support for IMAP in Messenger be?

Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?

          Anthony

--
   |   On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements"   |
   |         section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better"          |
   |                                                                   |
   |                       So I installed Linux.                       |








#! rmail 1636
From: [e-mail] (Tim Howarth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:39:38 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:

> The only reason I continue to use another mail package at work is that it
> supports IMAP where Messenger does not.
>
> What about it, Mark? How feasible would support for IMAP in Messenger be?

Can I put in a request for this too.

At school we are using another mail package ;-) to talk to an IMAP
server simply because it is, AFAIK, the only Acorn app. that will.

When I come home and use Messenger I realise how much is missing in
the other mail software - especially with the most recent incarnations
of Messenger.

Is Messenger forever tied to Newsbase's proprietry (I presume)
interface ?

Could Newsbase act as an IMAP server ? So that Messenger can be either
pointed at loopback IMAP (Newsbase) or network server
(Netscape/Microsoft/whoever ... Newsbase ?).

Can you do with IMAP all that is possible with Newsbase ?

--
___
 |im    ---- ARM Powered ----

#! rmail 1999
From: [e-mail] (Toby Smith)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:39:46 +0000
Organization: Toby's Risc PC 700 using SOUP
Subject: Re: "Number of messages" indication
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Philip Cox) wrote:
>
> > In the display headed "Messenger Newsreader (All)", the name of each
> > folder, newsgroup, maillist is followed by two figures which I imagine
> > should show total messages and number read (or perhaps unread).
> >
> > For every entry, both figures in each pair are the same which I know to
> > be incorrect.  Is this a configuration error that I can sort out or is it
> > more serious?
>
> In those circumstances it does mean 'all/all'
>
> If you select unread it means 'unread/all' and if you select 'read' it
> means 'read/all'. Basically the first number means the number of messages
> which will appear when you open the directory having chosen that option.

The all/all information does appear a bit daft - it could at least be
contracted to <all> (ie: no duplication).

I use the 'all' view myself, and to be honest, unread/all would probably be
more useful information - I can already see how many messages in total!

--
Toby Smith - [e-mail] - http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~tcs
Membership Secretary & Pocket Book Columnist for The ARM Club.
All facts disclaimed, all opinions biased, all whisky bottles empty.
... I can't think of anything witty to say right now.

#! rmail 1378
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:39:54 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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On the subject of key shortcuts, etc., I would like a small alteration to the
action of Page-[Up|Down].  Presently it moves the window exactly one
windowfull up or down.  A better design would be for the last completely
visible line of text to move from the bottom of the window to the top for
Page-Down and the opposite for Page-Up.

Presently, when the last line is partially obscured at the bottom, Page-Down
moves the window so the bottom part of the letters appear at the top and the
tops of these letters are now not visible.  Page-Up does the opposite.
Making the movement include the last fully visible line would further improve
the continuity of the text.

Chris Latham.


#! rmail 2867
From: [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:45:09 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, United Kingdom
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jamie Michael Temple) wrote:

> Is this not what we are looking for? Earlier posts complained of Messenger
> not displaying mail that was labelled as having an alien character-set.
> (quite rightly IMHO, If we're going 2 adhere strictly 2 this MIME thingy)
> Would utilising unicode not allow Messenger to translate alien character-sets
> into Latin-1, hence (where mapping tables exist) remove the 'No displayable
> parts' problem?

Yes it would.

>
> ... I guess that, from what you say, my earlier assumption that this only
> works for outline fonts is wrong, that unicode could equally well be used
> with Zap's bitmaps.

Maybe - someone who knows more about ZapRedraw would have to answer that.

>
> Out of interest, what does Browse do when it can't map a char to one in
> Latin-1?

It drops the accent or displays a similar character, or if that fails it
shows a question mark.

> Off subject, but have the Far Eastern character-set problems been resolved?
> Last thing I heard, there were a large number of people upset because ISO
> decided to drop a large number of chars from thier 'standard' set.
>

That's somewhat spurious. It's got a hell of a lot more than the sets in
common use. The de-facto standard Japanese set - Microsoft's Shift-JIS has
only ~6400 ideographs - ISO 10646 has at least 12000 Japanese ideographs.
The commonest Korean set (KSC 5601) has only 2350 pre-composed Hangul
syllables. ISO 10646 has 11172. Similarly for Chinese. Now, there are
character sets that have more ideographs than ISO 10646, but they are only
used in specialised applications - your standard desktop PC doesn't have
them. ISO 10646 is growing to incorporate these extra characters. Bear in
mind that only about 46000 of the 2147483648 code positions have been
officially allocated in ISO 10646 so far...

--
Kevin Bracey, Senior Software Engineer
Acorn Computers Ltd                           Tel: [phone]
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road               Fax: [phone]
Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom            WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/


#! rmail 1094
From: [e-mail] (Postmaster)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:50:27 +0000
Organization: None whatsoever...
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?
>
>           Anthony
>

What exactly is IMAP anyway?

--
/---//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\Matthew Williams//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\---\
 [e-mail]                   [e-mail]
        Weeks Hall, 16-18 Prince's Gardens, London, SW7 1NE, UK



#! rmail 1992
From: [e-mail] (Stewart Brodie)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:40:31 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd.
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> Is Messenger forever tied to Newsbase's proprietry (I presume) interface ?

Newsbase's interfaces are not really proprietary (in the strictest sense of
the word, to me, proprietary means that one entity (person/company) has
control over the definition of an interface and develops and modifies it
without external consultation).

The interfaces are fully documented - anybody can write a mail/news reader to
integrate with Newsbase.

> Could Newsbase act as an IMAP server ? So that Messenger can be either
> pointed at loopback IMAP (Newsbase) or network server
> (Netscape/Microsoft/whoever ... Newsbase ?).
>
> Can you do with IMAP all that is possible with Newsbase ?

I would have thought that you'd be more likely to have a separate application
that is the IMAP server that talks to Newsbase to manage to database.

I suspect only Graham would be able to say whether it would simple to build
the IMAP server into Newsbase itself.

Having said that, it does have a POP server built-in so it may well be
feasible.

--
Stewart Brodie, Software Engineer, Future Technologies Group
Acorn Computers Ltd
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road
Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom            WWW: http://www.acorn.com/


#! rmail 1321
From: [e-mail] (Vincent Lefevre)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:40:33 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "Anthony Frost" on Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 11:39:28
MIME-Version: 1.0
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On Thu, Feb 19, 1998 at 11:39:28 +0000, Anthony Frost wrote:
> Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?

As for me, I'd like to use IMAP, because it can support multiple mailboxes.
Moreover, you can leave your mail on the server, without having to download
it each time you connect.

--
Vincent Lefevre <[e-mail]> | Acorn Risc PC, StrongARM @ 202MHz
WWW: http://www.ens-lyon.fr/~vlefevre/ | 20+2MB RAM, Eagle M2, TV + Teletext
PhD st. in Computer Science, 2nd year  | Apple CD-300, SyQuest 270MB (SCSI)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

#! rmail 1222
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:15:26 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
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[e-mail] (Stewart Brodie) wrote:

> I suspect only Graham would be able to say whether it would simple to build
> the IMAP server into Newsbase itself.
>
> Having said that, it does have a POP server built-in so it may well be
> feasible.

Its there. It just doesn't work completely. And its hidden.
The words 'Server under construction: Abandon hope all who enter!' should
give the hints to its current status.

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

Friends: people who borrow my books and set wet glasses on them.


#! rmail 1550
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:25:28 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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[e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> Is Messenger forever tied to Newsbase's proprietry (I presume)
> interface ?

There are programs which will allow you to map Newsbase messages into
standard POP3/NNTP/SMTP/IMAP commands, one of which is sadly by me but
in not much of a state for release unfortunately (its in testing, it
works, just about)

> Could Newsbase act as an IMAP server ?

Work is ongoing on most of Newsbase's servers.

> So that Messenger can be either pointed at loopback IMAP (Newsbase) or
> network server (Netscape/Microsoft/whoever ... Newsbase ?).

That is indeed the idea...

> Can you do with IMAP all that is possible with Newsbase ?

There is part of an IMAP server lurking in it. I've forgotten how complete
it was left though. It will be completed.

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

A stitch in time saves nine.


#! rmail 1402
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:10:20 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

[snip]
> Can you do with IMAP all that is possible with Newsbase ?

Excepting news, I think you can.
Nothing springs to mind as being something that Newsbase offers that
IMAP doesn't, though last time I suggested it on the newbase mailing
list Graham made some reference to IMAP including some spec for
searching. From which I took it that IMAP offers things Newsbase didn't
(doesn't?)

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1524
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:10:28 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

> Presently, when the last line is partially obscured at the bottom,
> Page-Down moves the window so the bottom part of the letters appear at
> the top and the tops of these letters are now not visible.  Page-Up
> does the opposite.  Making the movement include the last fully visible
> line would further improve the continuity of the text.

Curiously, I prefer it to omit the last fully visible line, and go
straight on to the first non-fully-visible line. I find my reading flows
more smoothly that way...

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1378
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:10:36 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Postmaster) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
> >
> > Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?
> >
> >           Anthony
> >
>
> What exactly is IMAP anyway?

Interactive Mail Access Protocol.
Roughly speaking think of it as being the link between Messenger and
Newsbase and you've got the general idea.


--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1926
From: [e-mail] (Kaustav Bhattacharya)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:35:14 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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> > In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
> > >
> > > Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?
> > >
> > >           Anthony
> > >
> >
> > What exactly is IMAP anyway?

Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP)

   Advantages: Keeps messages
   individually on your server. When you open
   your inbox, you download message
   headers only. When you open a message,
   it's then downloaded to your local
   computer, so startup time is faster. Also,
   because messages are stored on the
   server, and changes are copied back from
   your local computer, you always have
   access to an updated mailbox.

   Disadvantages: Unless you copy your
   messages to your local computer, if your
   connection to your server goes down while
   you're working, you must reestablish a
   connection before accessing messages,
   even though you can browse the headers.
   Connect time can be longer because you
   must either be connected while you are
   browsing your messages, or you must
   reconnect every time you access a
   message you haven't read.

Kozzey
--
Kaustav Bhattacharya [ [e-mail] ]
http://redhotcountry.co.uk [ Keep an eye on Country music world wide ]
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~kozzey [ My personal website ]

#! rmail 1240
From: [e-mail] (Tim Howarth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:45:32 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:40:02 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:

> Nothing springs to mind as being something that Newsbase offers that
> IMAP doesn't, though last time I suggested it on the newbase mailing

Presumably a sit down with the relevant RFCs and Newsbase's SWI
interface would show up any problems.

I don't know what you'ld do with the user settings part of Messenger
in NewsDir, would it need a minimal NewsDir or config dir or can
this be handled by IMAP too (storage of custon settings) ?

--
___
 |im    ---- ARM Powered ----

#! rmail 1658
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:15:18 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:02:27 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (David Hobson) wrote:

> [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:
>
> > Is Messenger forever tied to Newsbase's proprietry (I presume)
> > interface ?
>
> There are programs which will allow you to map Newsbase messages into
> standard POP3/NNTP/SMTP/IMAP commands, one of which is sadly by me but
> in not much of a state for release unfortunately (its in testing, it
> works, just about)

Ah... Looks like we might have some duplicated some effort then
because I've just done the same thing - great minds think alike ;-)

Mine seems to be reasonably stable now (at least I've been using
it to read all my mail and news for a couple of weeks now) so if
there are people who might like to help me test it I'd be interested
in hearing from you.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...Standing on head makes smile of frown, but rest of face also upside down.

#! rmail 1334
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Heenan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:50:09 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Header and Body retrieval
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:42:24 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Cox) wrote:

> [freenews transport not supporting body download]
>
> You may have identified the problem, Tony, but I'm unsure of the solution.
> I did not upgrade the transport because the upgrade to Freenews 1.14 has no
> transport upgrade with it.  The only additional upgrade was the archive
> of addgroup which I dutifully downloaded.
>
> If an upgrded transport is required, where is it?

Have you tried the one that comes with NewsBase 0.60e? This at least
appears to support the function in question.

Cheers,

Joseph


--
Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK

#! rmail 1332
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:00:36 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:58:39 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

> On the subject of key shortcuts, etc., I would like a small alteration to
> the action of Page-[Up|Down].  Presently it moves the window exactly one
> windowfull up or down.  A better design would be for the last completely
> visible line of text to move from the bottom of the window to the top for
> Page-Down and the opposite for Page-Up.

Hmm.  Messenger did used to do this, but that was a long time ago.
Unfortunately it was bugged and didn't scroll at all sometimes, so I removed
it and haven't had the courage to make another attempt since! ;-)

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1841
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:55:36 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Messenger v1.34
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:54:07 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Messenger v1.34 is now available.  This is mainly a bug fix release and
contains the following changes:

  - Message displays now closed when the messages they display are deleted
  - Threading allowed for all groups, but no indication is given of the
    threading status of mailboxes and folders
  - Some new keyboard shortcuts added
  - Auto PGP verification now works again, and shouldn't give a green light
    for unverified sigs
  - Copy to/Move to public folders now works
  - May have fixed bug which might cause crashes when message displays are
    open and group gets updated
  - PGP output now given a text file type
  - Folding now stops earlier to prevent accidentally overrunning Newsbase's
    256 character limit
  - Whole message display option added.  Largely untested...
  - Fixed bug which caused garbage to appear on the last line of a ZapRedrawn
    message if it doesn't end in a newline
  - Shouldn't now give an error if a header field is longer than can be
    displayed in the message display pane.
  - Sig colouring uses first rather than last separator - as with previous
    versions

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1391
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:39:22 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:46:45 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Anthony Frost) wrote:

>
>  > The only reason I continue to use another mail package at work is that
>  > it supports IMAP where Messenger does not.
>  >
>  > What about it, Mark? How feasible would support for IMAP in Messenger
>  > be?
>
> Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?

I thoroughly dislike POP3. But that is not why I wish to retain the IMAP
capability. I want to be able to read and respond to e-mail without the need
for local storage for all my e-mail. I also want the capability to access my
e-mail from any station on a network.

It would be a useful capability for NCs as well :-)

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 2000
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:39:30 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:56:44 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (David Hobson) wrote:

> [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:
>
> > Is Messenger forever tied to Newsbase's proprietry (I presume)
> > interface ?
>
> There are programs which will allow you to map Newsbase messages into
> standard POP3/NNTP/SMTP/IMAP commands, one of which is sadly by me but
> in not much of a state for release unfortunately (its in testing, it
> works, just about)
>
> > Could Newsbase act as an IMAP server ?
>
> Work is ongoing on most of Newsbase's servers.
>
> > So that Messenger can be either pointed at loopback IMAP (Newsbase) or
> > network server (Netscape/Microsoft/whoever ... Newsbase ?).
>
> That is indeed the idea...
>
> > Can you do with IMAP all that is possible with Newsbase ?
>
> There is part of an IMAP server lurking in it. I've forgotten how complete
> it was left though. It will be completed.

With respect, if I had been enquiring about an IMAP *server* I would have
posted my enquiry to the NewsBase mailing list. It is the IMAP *client* I am
interested in.

I already have access to a perfectly good IMAP server running on a UNIX
server. I want to interface with it using Messenger and not a certain other
e-mail package which is unfortunately standard at work......

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 1617
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:39:40 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:51:15 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Postmaster) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
> >
> > Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?
> >
> >           Anthony
> >
>
> What exactly is IMAP anyway?
>

IMAP is a client-server protocol for the storage and use of e-mail.

Roughly translated, it means that your e-mail is retained on a server and can
be accessed and worked upon by an IMAP client program in situ rather than
having to be downloaded and stored on the harddisc of the client.

That means that you can access your e-mail from any client on a network with
an IMAP server and your e-mail is retained on the server.

Thus there is no need for local storage on the client and all your e-mail is
accessible from the server even though you may access it at different times
 from different client computers.

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 896
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:39:48 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: PGP and mailing lists
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:05:30 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Would it be possible - or indeed sensible - to have an 'Enable PGP
signing by default for mailing lists' option in MIME and PGP choices?
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 873
From: [e-mail] (Peter Vincent)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:39:55 +0000
Organization: The Vincent family
Subject: Save message default options
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:14:07 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Is it possible to customise the default option for saving a message?

As I am using Junkmail, I normally want to include headers, therefore would
like to set that as default, rather than having to select it every time.

--
Peter Vincent

#! rmail 2529
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:40:04 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: No displayable parts
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:35:41 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey) wrote:
[snip]
> Can ZapRedraw handle big font files?

Yes. (It needs to since Zap uses characters &100-&105 for its cursors.)

> What's required for European languages is just the ability to handle fonts
> with about 600 characters spread across about 9000 codes. For Far Eastern
> languages you need to handle over 9000 characters spread across 65000
> codes, with some characters being double-width.

Should be able to cope with this, though the font file might end up a bit on
the large side - and containing lots of undefined (blank) characters.

> If anyone's interested, I've put up a big image containing over 28000 16x16
> glyphs that covers all the commonly used CJK characters on my web page
> (http://www.acorn.co.uk/~kbracey/). It's sourced from various free fonts I
> found on the 'net. If you could add the ideographs to an existing 8x16
> font, you might get somewhere...

Hmm. You're looking at fonts of up to a megabyte here, if all 65536
characters are included, and that's before they're expanded for the current
screen mode.

Any apps using fonts in this way should, I think, use 'packed' fonts (ie.
omit the undefined characters completely) and map from the actual character
code to the ZapRedraw code by means of a table of some sort - not a direct
lookup table, since this would be big, but possibly something where the first
character of a 'defined' block is listed along with its display font
character code.

Or something. :-)

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | 01268 515441    | Toon Army
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | free mail, news | Season ticket
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   Ni!

If there are two programmes worth watching, they'll be on at the same time.


#! rmail 1667
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:40:13 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:12:03 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:
>
> > Nothing springs to mind as being something that Newsbase offers that
> > IMAP doesn't, though last time I suggested it on the newbase mailing
>
> Presumably a sit down with the relevant RFCs and Newsbase's SWI
> interface would show up any problems.

True, though it would be nice to have support for IMAP in Newsbase
itself, especially if it meant I could mark a user as being 'an IMAP
box' which meant, as far as Messenger was concerned, it was a normal
Newsbase user, but that Newsbase simply accessed all the messages via
IMAP...


--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1721
From: [e-mail] (Graham Allan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:40:57 +0000
Organization: University of Minnesota
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:35:56 -0600
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> > Could Newsbase act as an IMAP server ? So that Messenger can be either
> > pointed at loopback IMAP (Newsbase) or network server
> > (Netscape/Microsoft/whoever ... Newsbase ?).
> >
> > Can you do with IMAP all that is possible with Newsbase ?
>
> I would have thought that you'd be more likely to have a separate application
> that is the IMAP server that talks to Newsbase to manage to database.
>
> I suspect only Graham would be able to say whether it would simple to build
> the IMAP server into Newsbase itself.
>
> Having said that, it does have a POP server built-in so it may well be
> feasible.

Some of it is feasible... some less so!

A simple (by which I mean incomplete) IMAP server wouldn't take too much
more work to complete. The existing one can supply almost-recognisable
data to pine clients at the moment.

Some of the fancier features of IMAP (like searching) I may leave for a
long time, but I doubt many people would miss them much.

Graham
--

#! rmail 1350
From: [e-mail] (Anthony Frost)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:00:09 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:58:46 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e


 > >  > The only reason I continue to use another mail package at work is that
 > >  > it supports IMAP where Messenger does not.
 > >  >
 > >  > What about it, Mark? How feasible would support for IMAP in Messenger
 > >  > be?
 > >
 > > Erm, Steve, why do you need IMAP support at work? Use POP instead?
 >
 > I thoroughly dislike POP3.

Ah, fair enough! :-)

         Anthony

--
   |   On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements"   |
   |         section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better"          |
   |                                                                   |
   |                       So I installed Linux.                       |








#! rmail 1238
From: [e-mail] (Tim Howarth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:50:23 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 07:59:33 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:
>
> > Nothing springs to mind as being something that Newsbase offers that
> > IMAP doesn't, though last time I suggested it on the newbase mailing
>
> Presumably a sit down with the relevant RFCs and Newsbase's SWI
> interface would show up any problems.

Whoops, suppose that should have been Newsbase's message protocols.

--
___
 |im    ---- ARM Powered ----

#! rmail 1911
From: [e-mail] (Glyn Royds)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:55:16 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Fatal error in v1.34
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.41 (Acorn RISC OS)
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:48:01 GMT
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Just decoded and tried the latest version....

Whilst reading a message from a maillist I hit CTRL+T (I think -
whatever Reply-to-all is tied to at a guess) and Messenger died
quietly.

Errors file:

Illegal address (e.g. wildly outside array bounds)

Postmortem requested
  Arg3: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
  Arg2: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
  Arg1: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
241a0 in function event_poll
136b0 in function main
39a29c4 in unknown procedure
23f84 in anonymous function

Whilst here - thanks for threading on the other groups :-) Now if I
could delete the displayed message (DELETE or CTRL+K I guess) and
either open the next message in the thread or close the message
window things would be getting pretty close to perfect (except for
a small modification to maillist support, allowing many lists to be
filtered to one folder and have Messenger know from the message header
which list it came from, display the listname in the article header
and use the confured options for followup.....)

Cheers, Glyn.

--
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,_/ ,_/           ,_/           [e-mail]


#! rmail 3289
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:13:25 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:57:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Glyn Royds) wrote:

> Illegal address (e.g. wildly outside array bounds)
>
> Postmortem requested
>   Arg3: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
>   Arg2: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
>   Arg1: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
> 241a0 in function event_poll

This is almost certainly caused by an abort generated by Wimp_Poll.  In these
situations it is helpful to know the versions of the OS, Window Manager and
Toolbox modules that you are using.  It usually isn't Messenger's fault,
unless it's abusing the Wimp/Toolbox in some way.

> Whilst here - thanks for threading on the other groups :-)

You're welcome.  I couldn't make my mind up last night if I was going to put
some new sprites in to indicate threaded mailboxes and folders.  In the end I
didn't, to keep the size of the upgrade archive down, and because I'm
probably getting rid of the other sprites soon anyway.  I also wanted to go
to bed. :-)

This leaves a problem though.  How much will everybody complain if I remove
the threading indicator from the newsreader window?  I don't like having lots
of variants of the sprites around, and I tried adding a thin extra column to
the display to indicate T or not T, but this looked rather ugly.

I don't believe that the newsreader window is the place to control this
option, because we've got all the other group options (sorting, etc.) which
are controllable from within the group window.  The intention is to move
threading into there as well, once the code can cope with switching between
the two kinds of display.  I expect all group options will also be eventually
editable from the group subscription window too.

I'd appreciate any feedback on these thoughts.

>  Now if I could delete the displayed message (DELETE or CTRL+K I guess) and
> either open the next message in the thread or close the message window

The latter was implemented for v1.34.

> (except for a small modification to maillist support, allowing many lists
> to be filtered to one folder and have Messenger know from the message
> header which list it came from

How about if you don't specify a submission address for a particular list,
then reply will read the From header, and followup will read the Reply-To
header?  Note though that not all lists point Reply-To back to the list.
To might be a good header to check as well though.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1865
From: [e-mail] (Tim Howarth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:24:02 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:52:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> > Presumably a sit down with the relevant RFCs and Newsbase's SWI
> > interface would show up any problems.

> True, though it would be nice to have support for IMAP in Newsbase
> itself, especially if it meant I could mark a user as being 'an IMAP
> box' which meant, as far as Messenger was concerned, it was a normal
> Newsbase user, but that Newsbase simply accessed all the messages via
> IMAP...

In some ways that doesn't sound quite right.

Messenger makes request to Newsbase via message protocol, Newsbase
talks to server via IMAP.

Surely it would be quicker to simply have Messenger talk IMAP directly
to the server - which could be a local server in NewsBase.

In our case on a school network, this is particularly important with
respect to memory usage. Loading Messenger and Newsbase on an old 4Mb
A3000/A3020 is a bit much - I'm not sure how Messenger on it's own
(with toolbox modules) compares with Marc... the other mail software).

--
___
 |im    ---- ARM Powered ----

#! rmail 4188
From: [e-mail] (Glyn Royds)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:24:10 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.41 (Acorn RISC OS)
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On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:13:25 +0000 Mark Sawle said:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Glyn Royds) wrote:
>
> > Postmortem requested
> >   Arg1: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
> > 241a0 in function event_poll
>
> This is almost certainly caused by an abort generated by Wimp_Poll.  In
> these situations it is helpful to know the versions of the OS, Window
> Manager and Toolbox modules that you are using.  It usually isn't
> Messenger's fault, unless it's abusing the Wimp/Toolbox in some way.

 MOS Utilities   3.70 (30 Jul 1996)
 Window Manager  3.97 (28 Oct 1997)
 Toolbox         1.36 (25 Jan 1996)
 Window Object   1.44 (15 Jan 1998)
 Menu            0.30 (27 Jan 1998)
 FontDbox        0.14 (25 Jan 1996)
 ColourDbox      0.15 (25 Jan 1996)
 Colour Picker   0.39 (19 Jul 1996)
 SaveAs          0.12 (25 Jan 1996)

> > Whilst here - thanks for threading on the other groups :-)
>
> This leaves a problem though.  How much will everybody complain if I
> remove the threading indicator from the newsreader window?  I don't like

How about have the 'T' follow the article numbers display....
 -_
|__| comp.lang.pascal.delphi.announce                     24/50
 -_
|__| comp.sys.acorn.programmer                            6/207 T
(though using the small, unobtrusive T sprite ;-)

> I don't believe that the newsreader window is the place to control this
> option, because we've got all the other group options (sorting, etc.)

I'd stick with it here - It's nice to be able select a group of lists
and apply threading to them rather than having to enter each one and
then turn on threading (it'd also be nice to be able to select sorting
method on groups of lists too.)

> I'd appreciate any feedback on these thoughts.
>
> > Now if I could delete the displayed message (DELETE or CTRL+K I guess)
> > and either open the next message in the thread or close the message
> > window
>
> The latter was implemented for v1.34.

Not (quite) on the copy of 1.34 I have. It throws up an error dialogue
asking if I REALLY want to delete the message (if I hadn't I wouldn't
have pressed the key-combo / clicked the X icon) and Delete on that
leaves the message displayed (though these are single article threads)
and doesn't update the group viewer. Closing the window and asking for
the article again though reports it as 'not available - probably deleted
or expired'

Addendum to this - just tried in a multi-article thread. It didn't go
on to the next article or close the viewer. Double clicked on the next
article manually and got a multi-part abort message whizzing through a
command window! Wasn't output the the Errors log - sorry.

> > (except for a small modification to maillist support, allowing many
> > lists to be filtered to one folder and have Messenger know from the
> > message header which list it came from
>
> How about if you don't specify a submission address for a particular
> list, then reply will read the From header, and followup will read the
> Reply-To header?  Note though that not all lists point Reply-To back to
> the list. To might be a good header to check as well though.

That'd be nice (especially if the From/Date combo could shrink enough
to have the short maillist identifier added: messenger-l, ttfn-l, etc)

Cheers, Glyn.

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#! rmail 1669
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:42:30 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: My public key
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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A lot of people have been asking me for my public key.  It was included in
the V1.30 upgrade and all new versions of Messenger since then, but
apparently many people have missed it, so here it is:

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: 2.6.3ia

mQCNAzM7yjsAAAEEAM4lRFFsW6Uz4tCKrBQlvDOcbnQPUo9nB3Pk19YYsYeCNg9O
TTXWFZZimpW3pvJN+Y0lUt6X2ccURkwS/vgv3+I8dFYmv2FDzhvdjAcoqEjGHBCT
iOPIeAUngAi5edObnF1Xpiyc9Q/+/e57sXOzNByGRUkWFyV9GR/E6fYRfq+hAAUR
tChNYXJrIFNhd2xlIDxtbHNhd2xlQGxvY3V0dXMuZGVtb24uY28udWs+
=mSF5
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

Selecting Add=>PGP key to keyring from the message display menu will add
this to your keyring.

Note that this is tied to my Demon address and not the one in my From header,
but I'll only ever use the Demon one when signing stuff to do with Messenger.

In case you don't trust this list, then you can also download the key from
http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/pgpkey.txt or from a public key server.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2470
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Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Glyn Royds) wrote:

> > This is almost certainly caused by an abort generated by Wimp_Poll.  In
> > these situations it is helpful to know the versions of the OS, Window
> > Manager and Toolbox modules that you are using.

And if you have any filters/desktop enhancers loaded, I should have said.

> How about have the 'T' follow the article numbers display....

I didn't try that, but I don't think it would be any better than what I did
try.

> I'd stick with it here - It's nice to be able select a group of lists
> and apply threading to them rather than having to enter each one and
> then turn on threading (it'd also be nice to be able to select sorting
> method on groups of lists too.)

You'd be able to do this if I moved all the group options to the subscription
window.  It then becomes a front end to editing the NewsRC, which is where
all this data is stored anyway.

> > > Now if I could delete the displayed message (DELETE or CTRL+K I guess)
> > > and either open the next message in the thread or close the message
> > > window
> >
> > The latter was implemented for v1.34.
>
> Not (quite) on the copy of 1.34 I have.

I managed to break it at the last minute then.  It was working OK around
midnight last night! ;-)

> That'd be nice (especially if the From/Date combo could shrink enough
> to have the short maillist identifier added: messenger-l, ttfn-l, etc)

The date could shrink by losing the seconds, but I don't want to shrink From
any further, and I'd probably be better off extending it.

Reliably determining which mailing list a message was sent to might be
tricky.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1426
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:35:46 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
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Mark Sawle wrote:

> Glyn Royds wrote:

>> That'd be nice (especially if the From/Date combo could shrink enough to
>> have the short maillist identifier added: messenger-l, ttfn-l, etc)

> The date could shrink by losing the seconds, but I don't want to shrink
> From any further, and I'd probably be better off extending it.

Am I missing something blindingly obvious here?  Surely, if the maillist is
redirected to a folder, then the name appears in the title bar of the window.

On Mark's second point, moving the `+' icon to the left of From would reclaim
a few pixels of real estate.

Chris Latham.
--
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Stocker Road, University of Exeter, EXETER, Devon, EX4 4QL.


#! rmail 1503
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:39:15 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

> Am I missing something blindingly obvious here?  Surely, if the maillist is
> redirected to a folder, then the name appears in the title bar of the
> window.

Well that's what I thought at first!  But Glyn wants to filter more than one
mailing list to a folder, in which case you'll want to distinguish between
them.

> On Mark's second point, moving the `+' icon to the left of From would
> reclaim a few pixels of real estate.

There's no room there.  The From label changes to Signed when you verify a
PGP signature, and this requires all the space that's left, especially when
using the system font.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1818
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:25:10 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Toolbar design (Was: Fatal error in v1.34)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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Mark Sawle wrote:

> Glyn wants to filter more than one mailing list to a folder, in which case
> you'll want to distinguish between them.

I see now: that's a bit awkward.  Maybe it could be flagged in the title bar
in these circumstances.

On the subject of the space problem, I use the system font ('cos this is an
old A5000 here ;-) ) so, yes, it would be a bit of a squash to move the `+'
icon over even though `Signed' is one character less than `Subject'.

An alternative might be to ditch the `+' icon altogether, change the icon
containing the sender's name so clicking select on it adds the user's name to
the address book, and alter the interactive help for this icon to, "This
shows the sender of this message: select adds sender to the address book".

You could even make the message, "....select adds %s to the address book",
where %s is the string containing the sender's name.

Another thought: the text icon `Date' is possibly redundant: it is fairly
obvious that the icon to the right is the date, so you could scrap `Date' too
if you are desperate for space.

Chris Latham.


#! rmail 1227
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:04:40 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Glyn Royds) wrote:

> Addendum to this - just tried in a multi-article thread. It didn't go
> on to the next article or close the viewer. Double clicked on the next
> article manually and got a multi-part abort message whizzing through a
> command window! Wasn't output the the Errors log - sorry.

This should be fixed in v1.34a which is now available.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1912
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:10:45 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> I don't believe that the newsreader window is the place to control this
> option, because we've got all the other group options (sorting, etc.) which
> are controllable from within the group window.  The intention is to move
> threading into there as well, once the code can cope with switching between
> the two kinds of display.  I expect all group options will also be eventually
> editable from the group subscription window too.

Good, I was hoping you'd do that eventually.

> > (except for a small modification to maillist support, allowing many lists
> > to be filtered to one folder and have Messenger know from the message
> > header which list it came from
>
> How about if you don't specify a submission address for a particular list,
> then reply will read the From header, and followup will read the Reply-To
> header?  Note though that not all lists point Reply-To back to the list.
> To might be a good header to check as well though.

Yep, something like that would be handy.

--
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#! rmail 1709
From: [e-mail] (Stuart Marshall)
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Subject: Re: IMAP support
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Messenger makes request to Newsbase via message protocol, Newsbase
> talks to server via IMAP.

> Surely it would be quicker to simply have Messenger talk IMAP
> directly to the server - which could be a local server in
> NewsBase.

Definitely. Messenger talking directly to an IMAP server (without
NewsBase) would be fantastic. This would mean Messenger can
completely and utterly replace Marcel for ANT users - or work with
other Acorn IMAP servers like the Navaho one.

At present we don't have a decent mail reader that supports IMAP
- Messenger with IMAP would be great.

I'm not suggesting IMAP support instead of NewsBase support at
all, NewsBase/Messenger should continue to work together as they
currently do - it would just be another additional option, and
would make Messenger even more attractive to yet more people.

Just a thought,

--
Stuart Marshall, Spidersoft - http://www.argonet.co.uk/spidersoft/
Moderator of comp.sys.acorn.announce.            PGP key available

#! rmail 1107
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:55:50 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

<SNIP>
>This bug is fixed in v1.34 which I'll try to release tomorrow when I've got
>rid of some of the other bugs that have been reported.
>

Many thanks for quick response (and fix).
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 810
From: [e-mail] (Peter Bond)
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Please will you remove me from the Messenger distribution list - I cannot
remember how to do it.

Cheers,

--
  Peter Bond                       mailto:[e-mail]
  Silverdale, Lancashire


#! rmail 2833
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:30:26 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:

> > What exactly is IMAP anyway?
> >
>
> IMAP is a client-server protocol for the storage and use of e-mail.
>
> Roughly translated, it means that your e-mail is retained on a server
> and can be accessed and worked upon by an IMAP client program in situ
> rather than having to be downloaded and stored on the harddisc of
> the client.

Why the hell should i want my personal mail to be stored on
the server of my inet provider?

I want my email to be deleted after copied to my local machine.
To read them, i have to download the email anyway so i don't
see any reason for me to use IMAP...

> That means that you can access your e-mail from any client on a
> network with an IMAP server and your e-mail is retained on the server.

This means, i can only read my email if i have an active internet
connection?

IMHO(!) This is the same crap like reading news with an online news
reader (Microsoft News or NetScape). Aaaahrrrghhhh....

If i really want to retain my email on the server, i could do so
with !POP with the leave-mail-on-server-option enabled.

> Thus there is no need for local storage on the client and all your

??? I need the mail if i want to read it. If you want, you could
set your personal mail folder expire time to 1 day. ;-)

> e-mail is accessible from the server even though you may access it
> at different times from different client computers.

Can't see the reason in it. If i've got a private email at home
which *could* be intesting to someone other, then *i* will forward
the mail by myself (perhaps to my email account at work?).

Not the other way please!

Yes, i read email with a telnet client to see if there are new
messenger-related announcements ;-))

And in this case i leave the mail on the server `cause i don't
DELE-te it ;-)


Bye,

   Torsten


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#! rmail 2065
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:32:07 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Stuart Marshall) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> Definitely. Messenger talking directly to an IMAP server (without
> NewsBase) would be fantastic. This would mean Messenger can
> completely and utterly replace Marcel for ANT users - or work with
> other Acorn IMAP servers like the Navaho one.
>
> At present we don't have a decent mail reader that supports IMAP
> - Messenger with IMAP would be great.
>
> I'm not suggesting IMAP support instead of NewsBase support at
> all, NewsBase/Messenger should continue to work together as they
> currently do - it would just be another additional option, and
> would make Messenger even more attractive to yet more people.

Why not "have" an additional application that works like
!NBnetwork from Chris Rutter?

This App could then act as an "newsbase-messages to IMAP converter",
i.e. the user would then start "!IMAPclient" instead of !NewsBase,
and the !IMAPclient Application would talk to the server.

This way the user could read news too...

Bye,

   Torsten



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#! rmail 1462
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:00:34 +0000
Organization: Fans of Acorn
Subject: Re: IMAP support
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Stuart Marshall) wrote:

> I'm not suggesting IMAP support instead of NewsBase support at
> all, NewsBase/Messenger should continue to work together as they
> currently do - it would just be another additional option, and
> would make Messenger even more attractive to yet more people.

But making Messenger handle both the Newsbase message protocol
and IMAP will increase it's size to very little purpose. I think
my system of writing a Newsbase->IMAP protocol converter is more
sensible?

For what it's worth !RemoteNB is using 224k on my machine at
the moment.

Tom

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Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
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...Life is that brief interlude between nothingness and eternity.

#! rmail 1257
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e


Another suggestion....

It would be nice if there was some way of having all the windows
automatically open from predaved positions at a single click somehow
or even when Messenger starts up (configurable on and off of course).

I would like to be able to have like a "save desktop" option that
Messenger then goes back to when its next loaded.


--
Carol Carpenter
Home : [e-mail]   http://www.nocturnal.demon.co.uk/
Work : [e-mail]  Software Manager - Barnet College - London
                        PGP Key available on request
...Hiroshima'45, Chernobyl '86, Windows '95

#! rmail 1438
From: [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:55:53 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Save message default options
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:08:29 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:

> Is it possible to customise the default option for saving a message?
>
> As I am using Junkmail, I normally want to include headers, therefore would
> like to set that as default, rather than having to select it every time.
>

Me too.  Pluto has it so that whatever the status of display headers
is is remembered. i.e if you display headers on - then they remain on
for all subsequent messages until you set it to off.




--
Carol Carpenter
Home : [e-mail]   http://www.nocturnal.demon.co.uk/
Work : [e-mail]  Software Manager - Barnet College - London
                        PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 1404
From: [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:00:22 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Keeping attributes with messages that are moved
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:51:19 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e


A suggestion

Is there any chance that when you move or copy messages to other
folders, Messenger also copies the attributes with them ?

i.e. If I've already read and replied to an email and then decide to
file it away in a more appropriate folder, the version of it in the
new folder is indicated as not having been read yet, and I have to
manually alter the status back to what it was.

It would be much more appropriate if the status of it was also copied.

Cheers




--
Carol Carpenter
Home : [e-mail]   http://www.nocturnal.demon.co.uk/
Work : [e-mail]  Software Manager - Barnet College - London
                        PGP Key available on request
..."Sleeping is no mean art; for its sake one must stay awake all day."

#! rmail 1399
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:03:39 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Keeping attributes with messages that are moved
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:01:03 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter) wrote:

> Is there any chance that when you move or copy messages to other
> folders, Messenger also copies the attributes with them ?

This is rather difficult to do at the moment, because Newsbase doesn't return
to Messenger the new article numbers allocated to the messages, which is
needed to copy the attributes across.

However I've mentioned this to Graham and hopefully the necessary support
will soon make it into Newsbase, and then in Messenger shortly afterwards.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2303
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:20:32 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:06:18 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

[e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> Why the hell should i want my personal mail to be stored on
> the server of my inet provider?

Because you might want to access it from, say, work one day, home thirty
minutes later, and the research lab in an hours time.

> To read them, i have to download the email anyway so i don't
> see any reason for me to use IMAP...

Noone would be 'forcing' you to use it, is is simply an option availible to
assist with the managability of accessing email from a variety of places.

> This means, i can only read my email if i have an active internet
> connection?

Correct.

> IMHO(!) This is the same crap like reading news with an online news
> reader (Microsoft News or NetScape). Aaaahrrrghhhh....

Not really. IMAP is a very useful protocol. It can act like POP on one
hand, yet it can do a whole lot more if you really want it to.

> If i really want to retain my email on the server, i could do so
> with !POP with the leave-mail-on-server-option enabled.

But you can't store drafts of emails on the server, file them into different
folders on the server, search all of them for the words 'make money fast'...

> Not the other way please!

Noone is forcing you to use it... If you've managed to get this far without
it, then I'd imagine you wouldn't need to use it. Those of us, have pity on
our poor souls, who have to use Pine or Simeon can of course see the advantages
in this (and when we don't have any local storage availible)

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

It is now pitch dark.  If you proceed, you will likely fall into a pit.


#! rmail 1655
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:20:40 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Fatal error in v1.34
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:22:24 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Glyn Royds) wrote:

> Just decoded and tried the latest version....
>
> Whilst reading a message from a maillist I hit CTRL+T (I think -
> whatever Reply-to-all is tied to at a guess) and Messenger died
> quietly.
>
> Errors file:
>
> Illegal address (e.g. wildly outside array bounds)
>
> Postmortem requested
>   Arg3: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
>   Arg2: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
>   Arg1: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xeae04b21 0xeae3f881 0xea616013 0xe59ff110]
> 241a0 in function event_poll
> 136b0 in function main
> 39a29c4 in unknown procedure
> 23f84 in anonymous function
>
Open a message display window. Instead of using the 'next message' button
select a new message from the group display window. Messenger dies.

Auto close windows is configured, if that helps.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1627
From: [e-mail] (Tim Howarth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:20:48 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:10:39 +0000
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X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:


That he doesn't want IMAP at all !


Yes, but the needs of a home user are very different from a large
business (e.g a school) with intranet (?) facilities.


The school I work in has about 150 Acorns largely discless old
A3000s/A3020s and about 1200 users registered on our NT server.

Managing that without IMAP is/could be/would be very messy.

With IMAP all mail is managed by the mail server in the NT box, we do
not have 1200 user directories with their own mail scattered all over
the place.

I wondered what the point of IMAP was when I first saw it but now see
it as the "right thing to do".

I'm sure there are others who can explain why with much greater
knowledge then mine.

PS at home I use Messenger/Newsbase as it is a very good solution, but
using this combination at school would be crazy.

--
___
 |im    ---- ARM Powered ----

#! rmail 1115
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:20:56 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.32 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:05:45 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

[e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> This App could then act as an "newsbase-messages to IMAP converter",
> i.e. the user would then start "!IMAPclient" instead of !NewsBase,
> and the !IMAPclient Application would talk to the server.

There are indeed applications in the works...

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

If the opposite of "pro" is "con", then what's the opposite of "progress"?


#! rmail 1887
From: [e-mail] (Simon Callan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:45:25 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:43:01 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:
>
> > > What exactly is IMAP anyway?
> > >
> >
> > IMAP is a client-server protocol for the storage and use of e-mail.
> >
> > Roughly translated, it means that your e-mail is retained on a server
> > and can be accessed and worked upon by an IMAP client program in situ
> > rather than having to be downloaded and stored on the harddisc of
> > the client.
>
> Why the hell should i want my personal mail to be stored on
> the server of my inet provider?
>
> I want my email to be deleted after copied to my local machine.
> To read them, i have to download the email anyway so i don't
> see any reason for me to use IMAP...

I my case, I have two machines, one Linux box which does all the
internet stuff and the RiscPC which I use for reading news and mail, off
the Linux box.

I would much prefer IMAP to having to use !Pop and Freenews to transfer
things between machines.

It also means that I can put the A5000 in the bedroom, and reads news +
mail, when the RiscPC is switched off.

Simon


#! rmail 1090
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:05:29 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:44:17 +0000
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Graham Allan) wrote:

> Some of the fancier features of IMAP (like searching) I may leave for a
> long time, but I doubt many people would miss them much.

Is it very different from NewsFind?

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#! rmail 1906
From: [e-mail] (Philip Lardner)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:20:40 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Whereis Speak(ch)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:44:15 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Adrian Ireland) wrote:
>
> > Where does one get the speak program from.
>
> Speak is commercial (costs 19.50) and is written by Jonathan Duddington of
> Pluto fame.  You can find out more about it from Jonathan's web site at
> http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jsd/
>
> You can download a demo from the same site, but note that this won't work
> with Messenger - you'll have to buy the full version for that.
>

I tried the demo version of !Speak and I must admit that it's pretty good,
but it's just too... well... synthesized and artificial sounding for me to
use regularly without feeling the need to hit the computer or jam a
screwdriver into the speaker!

I seem to remember that back in the early 1980's Acornsoft released a speach
processor on ROM for the BBC micro, using samples of Kennith Kendel's (he of
the impecable sounding) voice. Whatever happened to human voice sampled
speach-synth? Shurly its got to be better. Does anyone know it there is such
a speach-synth package available, or is anyone developing one, and wouldn't
it be nice (spooky, even) to be able to use samples of your *own* voice?

Any thoughts, anyone?

Phil.

#! rmail 1629
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:46:54 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:50:07 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Stuart Marshall) wrote:
>
> > I'm not suggesting IMAP support instead of NewsBase support at
> > all, NewsBase/Messenger should continue to work together as they
> > currently do - it would just be another additional option, and
> > would make Messenger even more attractive to yet more people.
>
> But making Messenger handle both the Newsbase message protocol
> and IMAP will increase it's size to very little purpose. I think
> my system of writing a Newsbase->IMAP protocol converter is more
> sensible?
>
> For what it's worth !RemoteNB is using 224k on my machine at
> the moment.

But would that not require Newsbase/Newsdir to be on local storage? I do not
want to *download* the e-mails from the IMAP server - I simply want to access
them.

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 1235
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:47:08 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:45:58 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Stuart Marshall) wrote:

> I'm not suggesting IMAP support instead of NewsBase support at
> all, NewsBase/Messenger should continue to work together as they
> currently do - it would just be another additional option, and
> would make Messenger even more attractive to yet more people.

Absolutely - that's the way I envisaged things working as well.

Adding IMAP would make !Messenger the most feature-rich and flexible
e-mail/news reader software in the Acorn world.

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 1513
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:47:16 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:48:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:
>
> > > What exactly is IMAP anyway?
> > >
> >
> > IMAP is a client-server protocol for the storage and use of e-mail.
> >
> > Roughly translated, it means that your e-mail is retained on a server
> > and can be accessed and worked upon by an IMAP client program in situ
> > rather than having to be downloaded and stored on the harddisc of
> > the client.
>
> Why the hell should i want my personal mail to be stored on
> the server of my inet provider?

It's not. The mail is downloaded to your own local IMAP server. Then the
e-mail can be served to multiple clients on a local network.....

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 2087
From: [e-mail] (Andy Fawcett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:47:26 +0000
Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!)
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:38:39 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:
>>>> What exactly is IMAP anyway?
>>> IMAP is a client-server protocol for the storage and use of e-mail.
>> Why the hell should i want my personal mail to be stored on the
>> server of my inet provider?
> I my case, I have two machines, one Linux box which does all the
> internet stuff and the RiscPC which I use for reading news and mail,
> off the Linux box.

When I get the bloody things working properly together, I'll have a
similar setup, except it's an old A5000 and not a RPC.

> I would much prefer IMAP to having to use !Pop and Freenews to
> transfer things between machines.

Much better idea.

I have the added problem that I read mail in two completely different
locations, hundreds of miles apart, and I'm fed up of reading the same
stuff twice...

--
Andy Fawcett                       a.f.p. recipes ([e-mail])
http://www.afawcett.demon.co.uk/       send mail with subject 'send index'
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#! rmail 1874
From: [e-mail] (Andy Fawcett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:47:34 +0000
Organization: Being Lazy At Home (BLAH!)
Subject: Re: V1.30, 1.31 & 1.33
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:34:49 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Mike) wrote:
>> Sorry but I'm finding that the above versions all fall over pretty
>> regularly.  I am using an A3K with ARM33 4Meg & 120HD.
> How does it fall over?  Please amend !Messenger.!Run as indicated at
> the bottom of the file, to enable backtrace logging.  Then after the
> problem has occurred, please send me a copy of !Messenger.Errors
> (you'll need to take a copy before starting Messenger, because it
> keeps this file open).  This will hopefully tell me where the problem
> lies.

I'm using a similar setup, and IMO the most likely reason is that
there's simply not enough memory. If I boot a 'bare' system, I get lot
less hassle.

Although, to be honest, Messenger does go gracefully for me...

--
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#! rmail 1463
From: [e-mail] (Graham Allan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:47:42 +0000
Organization: University of Minnesota
Subject: Re: Keeping attributes with messages that are moved
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:43:24 -0600
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter) wrote:
>
> > Is there any chance that when you move or copy messages to other
> > folders, Messenger also copies the attributes with them ?
>
> This is rather difficult to do at the moment, because Newsbase doesn't
> return to Messenger the new article numbers allocated to the messages,
> which is needed to copy the attributes across.
>
> However I've mentioned this to Graham and hopefully the necessary
> support will soon make it into Newsbase, and then in Messenger shortly
> afterwards.

Ah, yes, I have already made the necessary changes for this...

Graham
--

#! rmail 3926
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:55:14 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:
>
>
> That he doesn't want IMAP at all !

You think? :)

> Yes, but the needs of a home user are very different from a large
> business (e.g a school) with intranet (?) facilities.

Truly.

> The school I work in has about 150 Acorns largely discless old
> A3000s/A3020s and about 1200 users registered on our NT server.
>
> Managing that without IMAP is/could be/would be very messy.
>
> With IMAP all mail is managed by the mail server in the NT box, we do
> not have 1200 user directories with their own mail scattered all over
> the place.

We solved that problem at work (high school) by dropping in a 'web-mail'
interface. The one we have only offers basic facilities (send, reply,
folders - no address book or such as standard) but that has the
advantage that it's very simple. Being web-based it's accessible using
any machine on the 'net that has a web browser (all of them)
irrespective of platform (Mac, Acorn, MS-Windows) and it's accessible in
a standard way, so we only have to explain things to people once.

Personally I find it too limiting in several respects, but then I have
several years more experience with both computers and the internet.
Eventually more advanced features will be added, probably, but at the
moment people simply don't need them.

> I wondered what the point of IMAP was when I first saw it but now see
> it as the "right thing to do".

Not as a general concept (which I'm pleased to note you've realised :).
IMAP certainly has it's place, and knowing about it is a Good Thing.
I've a friend who 'hates IMAP'. This hatred is bred from both ignorance
and Microsofts inability to implement it nicely. (He's an MS fanatic,
except when it comes to programming environments where he's strictly a
Borland man. Go figure)

> PS at home I use Messenger/Newsbase as it is a very good solution, but
> using this combination at school would be crazy.

Actually, it's not as crazy as it may first seem, depending on your set
up. If all the machines you wish to have email access are Acorns, the
mixing Messenger, Newsbase, and something like NBNetwork (I think it's
called) is an Acorn-specific equivalent of IMAP. NBNetwork makes
Messenger think that Newsbase is running on a local machine, when in
fact NBNetwork is talking to a copy of Newsbase that is on the other
side of a network connection.
At least, as I understand it.

The main reason I'd rather not spread Newsbase and/or Messenger around
at the moment is because it's 'too easy' to forge mail with them. Some
would suggest I'm paranoid (I know they're watching me as I type this)
but our current work setup involves that one extra step to be able to
pretend to be someone else. That steps more than enough - all the
students are too busy looking for porn to figure it out at the moment.



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#! rmail 3975
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:00:20 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:
>
> > > Presumably a sit down with the relevant RFCs and Newsbase's SWI
> > > interface would show up any problems.
>
> > True, though it would be nice to have support for IMAP in Newsbase
> > itself, especially if it meant I could mark a user as being 'an IMAP
> > box' which meant, as far as Messenger was concerned, it was a normal
> > Newsbase user, but that Newsbase simply accessed all the messages
> > via IMAP...
>
> In some ways that doesn't sound quite right.

Yes it does :)
It may sound different to what you were thinking of, though.
The idea I outlined is basically designed to integrate another mailbox
with my current setup. At home I fetch email from various mailboxes via
POP-3. That works quite well, and I'm more than happy to leave that part
of things alone.
However, I would, at times, like access to my mailbox at work. At
present this involves one of
 - Telnetting to a Linux box and using an IMAP-capable reader, like Pine
 - Running Marcel
 - Fetching the messages by POP
The last option is no use, because I'd really rather like the mail to
stay at work, and not end up looking like a duplicate.
The second option works, but, well, quite apart from anything else, I'm
unlikely to switch to another mail/news reader that doesn't use
ZapRedraw.
The third option also works, but also means I'm not using Messenger.
If, however, I could switch between 'jwork' and 'julian' as I can
between 'julian' and 'lester', and have Newsbase worry about the fact
that 'jwork' actually has files on a completely different machine, I'd
be very happy.
(I picked Newsbase since that keeps all my mail/news in one place - any
 other application that interfaces with Newsbse also has access to
 'jwork')

> Messenger makes request to Newsbase via message protocol, Newsbase
> talks to server via IMAP.

True.

> Surely it would be quicker to simply have Messenger talk IMAP directly
> to the server - which could be a local server in NewsBase.

True.
Would that mean you're suggesting replacing Messengers current interface
with IMAP? That is to say, instead of speaking 'Newsbase' Messenger
would speak 'IMAP'?

> In our case on a school network, this is particularly important with
> respect to memory usage. Loading Messenger and Newsbase on an old 4Mb
> A3000/A3020 is a bit much - I'm not sure how Messenger on it's own
> (with toolbox modules) compares with Marc... the other mail software).

In my view, you shouldn't be running a separate copy of Newsbase on what
are (effectively) client machines in any case.
At the very most you should be running a cut-down Newsbse.
At best you run something that 'looks like' Newsbase to programs, but
basically just talks to something else, somewhere, which does all the
work.

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         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1969
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:00:28 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tim Howarth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:
>
>
> That he doesn't want IMAP at all !

;-)

>
> The school I work in has about 150 Acorns largely discless old
> A3000s/A3020s and about 1200 users registered on our NT server.
>
> Managing that without IMAP is/could be/would be very messy.
>
> With IMAP all mail is managed by the mail server in the NT box, we do
> not have 1200 user directories with their own mail scattered all over
> the place.

Would this mean you have mail for 1200 users in ONE directory then? ;-)

> PS at home I use Messenger/Newsbase as it is a very good solution, but
> using this combination at school would be crazy.

As i suggested somewhere, i would recommend an external IMAPclient for
Messenger.

Or as someone said, include a (working ;-) IMAP server in newsbase and
make messenger a stand-alone IMAP client.

Bye,

   Torsten


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#! rmail 2072
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:00:35 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (David Hobson) wrote:

> [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:
>
> > This App could then act as an "newsbase-messages to IMAP converter",
> > i.e. the user would then start "!IMAPclient" instead of !NewsBase,
> > and the !IMAPclient Application would talk to the server.
>
> There are indeed applications in the works...

What exactly? Are they (soon) finished?

> If the opposite of "pro" is "con", then what's the opposite of
> "progress"?

/OffTopic_ON I want to know the opposite of "condom" then... /OffTopic_OFF

Torsten

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#! rmail 2476
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:00:42 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: IMAP support
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:


[IMAP stuff]
> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

Oh... What i've done, i've been starring down the barrel of a gun (DM)
;-)

> I my case, I have two machines, one Linux box which does all the
> internet stuff and the RiscPC which I use for reading news and mail, off
> the Linux box.
>
> I would much prefer IMAP to having to use !Pop and Freenews to transfer
> things between machines.

Use !NBnetwork instead?

> It also means that I can put the A5000 in the bedroom, and reads news +
> mail, when the RiscPC is switched off.

ah, you have three machines then? ;-)

But you must have the Linux box running. If i had an A5000, i could
switch the Linux box off (if i had one) and use the RiscPC as an
"internet server", together with !NBnetwork...

IMHO the RiscPC would need less power than the unix box ;-)

Bye,

   Torsten

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#! rmail 1878
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:50:28 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: Save message default options
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Peter Vincent) wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to customise the default option for saving a message?
> >
> > As I am using Junkmail, I normally want to include headers,
> > therefore would like to set that as default, rather than having to
> > select it every time.

That'd be cool...

> Me too.  Pluto has it so that whatever the status of display headers
> is is remembered. i.e if you display headers on - then they remain on
> for all subsequent messages until you set it to off.

Though assuming you really -mean- display, and not save, I like what
Messenger does at present. There's an option to 'permanently' turn
header display on in the Choices box (Choices... Message display), but
the lil button swaps it just for the displayed one.

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     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
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#! rmail 1568
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:30:19 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Messenger PGP security problem
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There is a fault in the way Messenger handles abandoned messages which
seriously compromises PGP security.

If a message is abandoned, the temporary, unencrypted files are left in
!Scrap.

Mark, please could you alter Messenger so that the temporary files of
abandoned messages are wiped out if PGP encryption is selected.  By this I
mean that the files should be first overwritten with random junk to ensure
that they are obliterated, then deleted.

I'm also not certain whether Messenger is using the wipe option to PGP when
it says that the text of a message has been wiped after encryption.

Can I also suggest that the message displayed by the PGP password dialogue is
extended to say, "Messenger needs your password [......]: leave blank if you
prefer to use a TaskWindow."

Chris Latham.
--
Dr. Christopher D. Latham, Department of Physics,
Stocker Road, University of Exeter, EXETER, Devon, EX4 4QL.


#! rmail 1160
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:45:13 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:

> I would much prefer IMAP to having to use !Pop and Freenews to transfer
> things between machines.

You could improve your life just a little by changing that to POPstar
and NewsHound ;). Hopefully I'll be releasing POPstar this weekend.

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#! rmail 1547
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:45:21 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:

> We solved that problem at work (high school) by dropping in a 'web-mail'
> interface. The one we have only offers basic facilities (send, reply,
> folders - no address book or such as standard) but that has the
> advantage that it's very simple. Being web-based it's accessible using
> any machine on the 'net that has a web browser (all of them)
> irrespective of platform (Mac, Acorn, MS-Windows) and it's accessible in
> a standard way, so we only have to explain things to people once.

That sounds very much like Navaho <http://www.navaho.co.uk> where the
servers actually run on RISC OS. Or is that the one you mean anyway?

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#! rmail 1198
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:45:30 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> Or as someone said, include a (working ;-) IMAP server in newsbase and
> make messenger a stand-alone IMAP client.

Is transferring each message over loopback fast enough? ISTR this being
a reason for Marcel being slow, but that may have just been ANT's excuse
;).

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#! rmail 2419
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:00:17 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Ariancylch) wrote:
>
> > We solved that problem at work (high school) by dropping in a
> > 'web-mail' interface. The one we have only offers basic facilities
> > (send, reply, folders - no address book or such as standard) but
> > that has the advantage that it's very simple. Being web-based it's
> > accessible using any machine on the 'net that has a web browser (all
> > of them) irrespective of platform (Mac, Acorn, MS-Windows) and it's
> > accessible in a standard way, so we only have to explain things to
> > people once.
>
> That sounds very much like Navaho <http://www.navaho.co.uk> where the
> servers actually run on RISC OS. Or is that the one you mean anyway?

Damn, I knew I'd forgotten a sentence.
We're actually using a system that runs under NT and comes from a
company called Ipswitch (http://www.ipswitch.com) and costs far more
than Navaho (and, in my opinion, isn't nearly as good when it comes to
the web interface. Navaho also offers more than 'just' mail with their
system)
Unfortunately I'm just the one that gets moaned at when things don't
work, not the one who chooses where the money goes. Having said that,
and being a fan of Navaho, I wouldn't choose it as I don't think using a
RiscPC as an internet server is a wise use of funds. But that's another
story, and not one for here :)

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         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 2057
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:25:22 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Whereis Speak(ch)
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Lardner) wrote:

> I tried the demo version of !Speak and I must admit that it's pretty good,
> but it's just too... well... synthesized and artificial sounding for me to
> use regularly without feeling the need to hit the computer or jam a
> screwdriver into the speaker!
>
> I seem to remember that back in the early 1980's Acornsoft released a speach
> processor on ROM for the BBC micro, using samples of Kennith Kendel's (he of
> the impecable sounding) voice. Whatever happened to human voice sampled
> speach-synth? Shurly its got to be better. Does anyone know it there is such
> a speach-synth package available, or is anyone developing one, and wouldn't
> it be nice (spooky, even) to be able to use samples of your *own* voice?

If you think back a little more you may recall that that speech processor,
by its nature, had an extremely limited vocabulary. Can you imagine trying
to write all your messages with only 256 (?) words/parts? Even given
current memory sizes, it would be extremely limiting.

It's surprising what you get used to. When I first tried Speak at its
fastest speed, it sounded awful. After using it to read news for a few
days, I now wish I could run it faster still to keep up with my reading
speed.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1062
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:45:14 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: Messenger PGP security problem
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:28:48 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

My description of the fault that resulted in Messenger leaving unencrypted
files in !Scrap was not quite complete.  The exact circumstances when this
occurs are when attempting to send a PGP encrypted message, PGP fails for
some reason (eg. lack of memory) then abandoning the message at this point
leaves the temporary files in !Scrap.

Chris Latham.


#! rmail 1890
From: [e-mail] (David Chapman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:50:28 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:47:41 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

> On the subject of key shortcuts, etc., I would like a small alteration =
to the
> action of Page-[Up|Down].  Presently it moves the window exactly one
> windowfull up or down.  A better design would be for the last completel=
y
> visible line of text to move from the bottom of the window to the top f=
or
> Page-Down and the opposite for Page-Up.
>=20
> Presently, when the last line is partially obscured at the bottom, Page=
-Down
> moves the window so the bottom part of the letters appear at the top an=
d the
> tops of these letters are now not visible.  Page-Up does the opposite. ==20
> Making the movement include the last fully visible line would further i=
mprove
> the continuity of the text.
>=20
> Chris Latham.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
Glad you posted that, I have been going to mention it for quite a while b=
ut thought that it may be too trivial to mention. It would be good if Mes=
senger behaved like StrongEd in that respect by showing the last four lin=
es at the top of the page when paging down.
--=20
Cheers

David Chapman
Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.


#! rmail 2006
From: [e-mail] (Philip Cox)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:05:13 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Header and Body retrieval
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:59:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Thanks Joseph, but I don't think NewsBase 6.0e solves the problem.

Within NewsBase 6.0e upgrade there is a file .transports.freenews.startup
but this does not address the problem.

The only other vaguely relevant file in that directory is getarticle but
this was written in 15 Oct 1996 and is well before NewsBase 6.0e.

Any other thoughts greatfully received.

Phil.


In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Joseph Heenan) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Philip Cox) wrote:
>
> > [freenews transport not supporting body download]
> >
> > You may have identified the problem, Tony, but I'm unsure of the solution.
> > I did not upgrade the transport because the upgrade to Freenews 1.14 has no
> > transport upgrade with it.  The only additional upgrade was the archive
> > of addgroup which I dutifully downloaded.
> >
> > If an upgrded transport is required, where is it?
>
> Have you tried the one that comes with NewsBase 0.60e? This at least
> appears to support the function in question.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>

--
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/    \__/_'   _      Philip Cox
|    /    \__/_'
\____|    /    \
     \____|    |     At home on a RiscPC
          \____/     Web site at www.alanta.demon.co.uk


#! rmail 1412
From: [e-mail] (John Evans)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:05:51 +0000
Organization: Archimedes
Subject: 1.34 & 1.34A Component 0x4
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:01:52 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

I have recently received versions 1.34 and 1.34a
Version 1.34 had an invalid header in the archive and version 1.34a
only had the !runimage. The latter may be correct but when being used I get
the following message whenever I try and browse any message.

Component 0x4 does not exist

I would like to also add that I still think that a quick key should be setup
to delete the current message being read and move onto the next
without any confirmation. I know some people may like confirmation on
deletes but this could be a configurable option.

John

PS

Keep up the good work
This is an example taglines file for ZapEmail. You should replace this with a
suitably-formatted file of your own.
10 REPEAT PRINT "Hello world!":UNTIL FALSE

#! rmail 1817
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:17:53 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: 1.34 & 1.34A Component 0x4
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:12:33 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (John Evans) wrote:

> I have recently received versions 1.34 and 1.34a Version 1.34 had an
> invalid header in the archive and version 1.34a only had the !runimage.
> The latter may be correct but when being used I get  the following message
> whenever I try and browse any message.
>
> Component 0x4 does not exist

You need the updated Res file that was included in v1.34.  The upgrade to
v1.34 (from 1.33) is also available via the web site, and now incorporates
the upgrade to v1.34a.  Download and apply this upgrade, and everything
should be fine.

> I would like to also add that I still think that a quick key should be
> setup to delete the current message being read and move onto the next
> without any confirmation. I know some people may like confirmation on
> deletes but this could be a configurable option.

Ah yes.  I think I promised such an option a long time ago, but I keep
forgetting.  It is in the to do list.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1118
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:31:04 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger PGP security problem
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:58:48 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

> There is a fault in the way Messenger handles abandoned messages which
> seriously compromises PGP security.

> If a message is abandoned, the temporary, unencrypted files are left in
> !Scrap.

This can happen with PGP under several circumstances.  Personally, I
wouldn't point the finger at Messenger.

--
m.

PGP key available


#! rmail 1933
From: [e-mail] (Andrew Black)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:31:14 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Switching threading - was Re: Fatal error in v1.34
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:44:02 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

>
>
> This leaves a problem though.  How much will everybody complain if I remove
> the threading indicator from the newsreader window?  I don't like having lots
> of variants of the sprites around, and I tried adding a thin extra column to
> the display to indicate T or not T, but this looked rather ugly.
>
> I don't believe that the newsreader window is the place to control this
> option, because we've got all the other group options (sorting, etc.) which
> are controllable from within the group window.  The intention is to move
> threading into there as well, once the code can cope with switching between
> the two kinds of display.  I expect all group options will also be eventually
> editable from the group subscription window too.
>
> I'd appreciate any feedback on these thoughts.

I agree with Mark's suggestion.   Threadedness or fits more closely
with the Display options once you have opened the newsgroup.

I have often thought it would be a good idea to be able to change from
threaded to unthreaded with the group window already open.  Like other
display options I would like the change to be temporary (unless of
course you save the display settings)

--
Andrew Black


#! rmail 1169
From: bobatebctsh.demon.co.uk@"[127.0.0.1]" (Bob de Jong)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:35:10 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Transfering about 20 emails to AcornetA
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:22:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

When I was setting up AcornetA I kept my old set up working for a few
days just in case. Now I am using "A" all the time I want to transfer
about 20 emails I kept in a folder called keep. Is there an easy way to
switch them between two similar setups of Messenger/Newsbase?

TIA

--
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 |_) _ |_    _| _     | _ ._  _      On an Acorn RPC governed at 202 MHz
 |_)(_)|_)  (_|(/_  ._|(_)| |(_|     http://www.ebctsh.demon.co.uk/
 Southampton, Hants          ._|     All spam to [e-mail]

#! rmail 1735
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:28:53 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Threading experiment
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34b for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:17:28 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

The old problem of Messenger taking ages to open a newsgroup has reappeared
for me today.  This usually disappears after a day or two, but I've managed
to take a look at what might be causing it this time, and this has made me
rethink the way Messenger performs its threading.

I've made a modification to the threading code, and uploaded this to the web
site as http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/messenger/msgr134bup.zip.  Threading
in this version should be a lot faster (e.g. the above problem is
eliminated), but it sacrifices accuracy to achieve this.  However I'm not
sure that this loss of accuracy actually makes any difference in practice.

I'd like people to try out this new version and report any differences in the
way it threads articles.  If you notice anything strange about the threading
in this version, then please try v1.34a to verify that the behaviour really
is different before reporting it to me.  I'd like any problems that show up
in both to be kept separate from this experiment.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1793
From: bobatebctsh.demon.co.uk@"[127.0.0.1]" (Bob de Jong)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:50:15 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: 1.34 & 1.34A Component 0x4
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:21:13 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>> I have recently received versions 1.34 and 1.34a Version 1.34 had an
>> invalid header in the archive and version 1.34a only had the !runimage.
>> The latter may be correct but when being used I get  the following message
>> whenever I try and browse any message.
>>
>> Component 0x4 does not exist
>
>You need the updated Res file that was included in v1.34.  The upgrade to
>v1.34 (from 1.33) is also available via the web site, and now incorporates
>the upgrade to v1.34a.  Download and apply this upgrade, and everything
>should be fine.

Did all that and indeed 1.34a does not give that error but now I get
"Invalid group name or article number" and Messenger refuses to let me
see some of the posts. Switched back to 1.33 and now that does it
also even after a Ctrl-Break. Any ideas?

--
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 |_) _ |_    _| _     | _ ._  _      On an Acorn RPC governed at 202 MHz
 |_)(_)|_)  (_|(/_  ._|(_)| |(_|     http://www.ebctsh.demon.co.uk/
 Southampton, Hants          ._|     All spam to [e-mail]

#! rmail 1874
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Heenan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:20:38 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Transfering about 20 emails to AcornetA
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:07:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          bobatebctsh.demon.co.uk@"[127.0.0.1]" (Bob de Jong) wrote:

> When I was setting up AcornetA I kept my old set up working for a few
> days just in case. Now I am using "A" all the time I want to transfer
> about 20 emails I kept in a folder called keep. Is there an easy way to
> switch them between two similar setups of Messenger/Newsbase?

I'm not sure what the easiest way is, but here's one suggestion:

Load the old copy of Acornet and run newsbase, click right button on
newsbase, select mail and news storage.
Now select your 'keep' group in the top icon, then either click on
the 'Export' button if there is one, click menu somewhere in the top
half of the window, then drag this file into
!FreeSMTP.MailDir.spool.mail.text, in the new Acornet. (You may want
to change the name of the file to that of your user - ie.bob).

Now quit all the bits of the old acornet and run the new one, and run
newsbase. Then click on fetch new from the newsbase menu, and you
should find the emails appear in your inbox, then you can use
messenger to move them to the keep group.

Cheers,

Joseph

--
Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK

#! rmail 2204
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:09:49 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:58:12 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (David Chapman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

>> On the subject of key shortcuts, etc., I would like a small alteration to
>> the action of Page-[Up|Down] [such that any partially-displayed lines are
>> brought entirely into view at the bottom or top of the display area].

[reformatted following text; was on one logical line, due to use of StrongEd]
> Glad you posted that, I have been going to mention it for quite a while but
> thought that it may be too trivial to mention. It would be good if
> Messenger behaved like StrongEd in that respect by showing the last four
> lines at the top of the page when paging down.

I'd be happy with it ensuring that the partially-displayed lines are fully
displayed. Anything more than this should be configurable.

Perhaps scrolling a page at a time via the scrollbars should do just the
above, without ensuring that x lines remain displayed - something which would
be done when using Page Up and Page Down. Although this behaviour is perhaps
better suited to Zap than to Messenger :-)

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
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| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
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A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.


#! rmail 3409
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:10:29 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:39:20 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

> On the subject of key shortcuts, etc., I would like a small alteration to
> the action of Page-[Up|Down].  Presently it moves the window exactly one
> windowfull up or down.  A better design would be for the last completely
> visible line of text to move from the bottom of the window to the top for
> Page-Down and the opposite for Page-Up.

I'd like it to behave consistently with the last page too.  ATM I'm reading
a posting which is something like


                         This is the entire          This is what the first
                                message  |            |    page shows
                                       __V__        __V__
    In message <19980220.22204...        |            |
              [e-mail]...        |            |
                                         |            |
         [snip 14 lines]                 |            |
                                         |            |              _____
   > The school I work in has ...        |            |                |
   > A3000s/A3020s and about 1...        |            |                |
                                         |            |                |
         [snip 39 lines]                 |            |                |
                                         |            |                |
    side of a network connection.        |            |                |
    At least, as I understand it.        |          __|__              |
                                         |                             |
         [snip 5 lines]                  |                             |
                                         |                             |
    pretend to be someone else.          |                             |
    students are too busy to l...        |                             |
                                         |                             |
                                         |                             |
                                         |                             |
                                       __|__                         __|__
                                                                       |
                                                                       |
                                                  This is what the second
                                                            page shows


The vast majority of the message appears on both pages, and there are no
visual cues to tell me where to continue reading once I've hit page down.

I'd much prefer it if the second page started with "At least, as I
understand it.".



Chris


#! rmail 1222
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:55:15 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:42:11 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

On the subject of Page[Up|Down] I agree too with Chris Manning that the Page
Down which takes the window to the end of a message should move the last
fully displayed line in the previous window to the top of the window rather
than put the last line in the message at the bottom of a window.

For reference: Page Down in emacs on UNIX actually moves the penultimate line
to the top of the screen.

It would also be useful if the Home and End keys moved the window to the top
and bottom of the text respectively.

Chris Latham.


#! rmail 2276
From: [e-mail] (Kevin Bracey)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:50:32 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, United Kingdom
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:49:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

> On the subject of Page[Up|Down] I agree too with Chris Manning that the Page
> Down which takes the window to the end of a message should move the last
> fully displayed line in the previous window to the top of the window rather
> than put the last line in the message at the bottom of a window.

For what it's worth, I disagree with this. My feeling is that the common
RISC OS behaviour on pressing Page Down or clicking below the scroll bar is
to place the last _partly_ visible line at the top of the window, or if the
final line is fully visible, put the next line at the top of the window.
There shouldn't be any special behaviour at the bottom of the text - you
should just stop at the natural extent of the window (although this natural
extent may include 15 lines of blank text, for example).

Edit and Zap both follow this behaviour. This is closest to what the scroll
bars do by default - it's just doing the minimum adjustment to ensure that
every line gets seen in its entirity, rather than a half at a time.

I don't object to having an option to give 1/2/whatever lines of overlap, but
I would argue that the default should be to follow Edit. (Not that there's a
lot else I'd follow Edit on :))

--
Kevin Bracey, Senior Software Engineer
Acorn Computers Ltd                           Tel: [phone]
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road               Fax: [phone]
Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom            WWW: http://www.acorn.co.uk/


#! rmail 2042
From: [e-mail] (Simon Callan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:10:32 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:58:25 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:
>
> > I my case, I have two machines, one Linux box which does all the
> > internet stuff and the RiscPC which I use for reading news and mail, off
> > the Linux box.
> >
> > I would much prefer IMAP to having to use !Pop and Freenews to transfer
> > things between machines.
>
> Use !NBnetwork instead?

Possibly, but it still means downloading from the linux box, to the
RiscPC. I suppose I could put !messenger and !Newsdir on the Linux box,
over NFS, but that might be a bit slow.

> > It also means that I can put the A5000 in the bedroom, and reads news +
> > mail, when the RiscPC is switched off.
>
> ah, you have three machines then? ;-)

I have a far too large selection of machines, ging back to a BBC-B.

> But you must have the Linux box running. If i had an A5000, i could
> switch the Linux box off (if i had one) and use the RiscPC as an
> "internet server", together with !NBnetwork...

My linux box does more than just mail and news:
* Web cache / proxy / server.
* file server.
* CVS source control.
* 'on demand' dial-up to demon.

When I upgrade the modem, I will probably add voice-mail and fax server
capabilities as well.


--


#! rmail 1447
From: [e-mail] (Simon Callan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:10:42 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:03:45 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:
>
> > I would much prefer IMAP to having to use !Pop and Freenews to transfer
> > things between machines.
>
> You could improve your life just a little by changing that to POPstar
> and NewsHound ;). Hopefully I'll be releasing POPstar this weekend.

I don't think I would see much difference between double clicking on
!Pop / !FeeeNews and doing the same with POPstar and NewHound.

The problem is really the idea of having to do multiple transfers, and
with having 2 copies of all news articles floating around - one on the
Linux box, and one on the RiscPC.

Simon

--


#! rmail 1530
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:35:22 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:28:54 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:
>
> > You could improve your life just a little by changing that to POPstar
> > and NewsHound ;). Hopefully I'll be releasing POPstar this weekend.
>
> I don't think I would see much difference between double clicking on
> !Pop / !FeeeNews and doing the same with POPstar and NewHound.

With the former (just released today) you won't have to wait so long for
the mail to be transferred, and the latter is generally more reliable
and also fetches news in a way which places far less load on most
servers.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1489
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:55:46 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34b for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:53:04 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> With the former (just released today) you won't have to wait so long for
> the mail to be transferred, and the latter is generally more reliable
> and also fetches news in a way which places far less load on most
> servers.

Yes, it's really fast!!! Whow!

I've updated/patched the !QEdit 0.58e a little bit, it now supports
POPnews. I've mailed a copy to Joseph Heenan who's the developer for
0.58e IIRC, and i hope he'll make it available soon.

Bye,

   Torsten


--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
.. Are those cookies made with real Girl Scouts?

#! rmail 1264
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:25:34 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:09:28 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

[POPstar]

> Yes, it's really fast!!! Whow!
>
> I've updated/patched the !QEdit 0.58e a little bit, it now supports
> POPnews. I've mailed a copy to Joseph Heenan who's the developer for
> 0.58e IIRC, and i hope he'll make it available soon.

Oh yes, I forgot about that, thanks for telling him. The patch is very
easy to do though.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1296
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:20:31 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34b for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:37:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> [POPstar]

> > Yes, it's really fast!!! Whow!

Yep, it is :-)

> > I've updated/patched the !QEdit 0.58e a little bit, it now supports
> > POPnews. I've mailed a copy to Joseph Heenan who's the developer for
> > 0.58e IIRC, and i hope he'll make it available soon.

> Oh yes, I forgot about that, thanks for telling him. The patch is very
> easy to do though.

Go on, tells us then!

--
m.

PGP key available

#! rmail 1847
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:46:10 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:29:36 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:
>
> > [POPstar]
>
> > > Yes, it's really fast!!! Whow!
>
> Yep, it is :-)
>
> > > I've updated/patched the !QEdit 0.58e a little bit, it now supports
> > > POPnews. I've mailed a copy to Joseph Heenan who's the developer for
> > > 0.58e IIRC, and i hope he'll make it available soon.
>
> > Oh yes, I forgot about that, thanks for telling him. The patch is very
> > easy to do though.
>
> Go on, tells us then!

The archive size is 16k, but i don't know if it's ok to post here, so
i'll send it by mail on request. Yours is on the way...

Bye,

   Torsten



--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
.. Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free.

#! rmail 1035
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:10:20 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:05:47 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

[How to patch Qedit for POPstar]

> Go on, tells us then!

OK, instructions are now on POPstar's support web page.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 2207
From: bobatebctsh.demon.co.uk@"[127.0.0.1]" (Bob de Jong)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:50:16 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Transfering about 20 emails to AcornetA
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:45:36 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]>
>          bobatebctsh.demon.co.uk@"[127.0.0.1]" (Bob de Jong) wrote:
>
>> When I was setting up AcornetA I kept my old set up working for a few
>> days just in case. Now I am using "A" all the time I want to transfer
>> about 20 emails I kept in a folder called keep. Is there an easy way to
>> switch them between two similar setups of Messenger/Newsbase?
>
>I'm not sure what the easiest way is, but here's one suggestion:
>
>Load the old copy of Acornet and run newsbase, click right button on
>newsbase, select mail and news storage.
>Now select your 'keep' group in the top icon, then either click on
>the 'Export' button if there is one, click menu somewhere in the top
>half of the window, then drag this file into
>!FreeSMTP.MailDir.spool.mail.text, in the new Acornet. (You may want
>to change the name of the file to that of your user - ie.bob).
>
>Now quit all the bits of the old acornet and run the new one, and run
>newsbase. Then click on fetch new from the newsbase menu, and you
>should find the emails appear in your inbox, then you can use
>messenger to move them to the keep group.
>
Many thanks Joseph - worked a dream.

--
  _                  ___
 |_) _ |_    _| _     | _ ._  _      On an Acorn RPC governed at 202 MHz
 |_)(_)|_)  (_|(/_  ._|(_)| |(_|     http://www.ebctsh.demon.co.uk/
 Southampton, Hants          ._|     All spam to [e-mail]

#! rmail 1446
From: [e-mail] (Simon Callan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:45:18 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:10:13 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:
>
> > I don't think I would see much difference between double clicking on
> > !Pop / !FeeeNews and doing the same with POPstar and NewHound.
>
> With the former (just released today) you won't have to wait so long for
> the mail to be transferred, and the latter is generally more reliable
> and also fetches news in a way which places far less load on most
> servers.

Speedwise, I have no real complaints with Pop and Freenews - I have
managed to get around 50-60,000 CPS out of freenews.

As for load, I'm not that bothered about overloading my Linux box.

Simon

--


#! rmail 1094
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:21:17 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: A file error occurred during UUcoding
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Content-Type: text
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:15:22 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Well it's not the error during UUcoding that worries me (the file was
at the far end of a LinkFS link, and almost any action involving such
a file produces bizarre results), but the aftermath.

I removed the file in question from the attachments and tried again.

   This file is already open

Or something like that.  It's just gone from bad to worse, and wherever
I click I get "Invalid Object Id".


The file that's left open appears to be <Wimp$ScrapDir>.Messenger.SendMsg.



Chris


#! rmail 823
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:21:28 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re Messenger v1.34c
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:48:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Thanks for fast response Mark.

2nd one was fine - pgp & !Spark.
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 1037
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:25:31 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34b for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:40:18 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

> [How to patch Qedit for POPstar]

> > Go on, tells us then!

> OK, instructions are now on POPstar's support web page.

OK, thanks ;-)

--
m.

PGP key available

#! rmail 1080
From: [e-mail] (Steve Turnbull)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:40:32 +0000
Organization: The Turnbull Family
Subject: Undisplayed plain/text
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:29:22 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Hi

Got a weird one, the text part of a MIME message wasn't displayed:

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined; x-mac-type="54455854";
>  x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The sender was using Mozilla 4.04 which is not uncommon. Perhaps another
"exception" to be considered.

--
Steve Turnbull ([e-mail])
Check out my charity Egypt (again) Bike Ride
http://www.cix.co.uk/~turnbull/


#! rmail 1095
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:55:33 +0000
Organization: WombatPD
Subject: Re: Undisplayed plain/text
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:51:42 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

And another one:

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="x-user-defined"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                          [e-mail]
   Wombat                               http://www.hof.baynet.de/~wombat


#! rmail 1718
From: [e-mail] (Jakob Stoklund Olesen)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:45:30 +0000
Organization: Department of Mathematics - University of Aarhus
Subject: MIME on usenet
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:33:43 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

I know that using MIME in news is considered bad netiquette in the
international newsgroups (or is it only c.s.a.*?). However, MIME is used
frequently in the Danish newsgroups because we have 8-bit characters
(=E6=F8=E5, =C6=D8=C5) in Danish. I have never seen anybody complain abou=
t this.

I think that it would be nice if !Messenger would allow posting of
QP-encoded articles, perhaps with a warning so that Ben Lee User won't
send MIME to c.s.a.* and get flamed.

Another thing re: MIME: RFC2047 specifies how to put 8-bit chars in
headers. This is also used frequently in the dk.* groups where thread
titles show as

        Re: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skr=3DE5skriften?=3D - hvad med den?

when it should have read

        Re: Skr=E5skriften - hvad med den?

Decoding (and perhaps encoding) of these headers would be nice too.

        Regards,
        /stoklund

--=20
Jakob Stoklund Olesen, PGP public key ID: 0x4f06279d
Student at the Department of Mathematics, University of Aarhus
http://www.mi.aau.dk/~stoklund/


#! rmail 1313
From: [e-mail] (Jakob Stoklund Olesen)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:45:38 +0000
Organization: Department of Mathematics - University of Aarhus
Subject: Crash during expiry
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:41:13 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

As of version 1.34 !Messenger crashes on my machine when !NewsBase
starts its automatic expiry. It suddenly quits without any error
messages, leaving a postmortem in the Errors file.

It doesn't seem to happen when I ask NewsBase to do an expiry, but this
could be random.

Is anybody else seeing this or is my setup weird? (A310, RO3.11, NB0.60e)

[To Mark: 1.34c just did it to me too :-(. I can send you the post
mortem but it happens in the same procedure as the others.]

        /stoklund

--
Jakob Stoklund Olesen, PGP public key ID: 0x4f06279d
Student at the Department of Mathematics, University of Aarhus
http://www.mi.aau.dk/~stoklund/


#! rmail 1001
From: [e-mail] (Alistair Munro)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:40:51 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Message Reader Sorting
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:31:21 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Hi all

When reading messages or email I want to sort the messages into date
order. Now I know I can do this by clicking on the sort by date icon,
But can I save this config so that the messages are sorted by date as
default?

TAI
--
Regards

Alistair
<[e-mail]>
Using !Messenger on a StrongARM RiscPC.

PGP Key Available
'Acorn's are seeds which grow into Oaks'

#! rmail 1488
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:45:17 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: A file error occurred during UUcoding
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:22:56 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Manning) wrote:

> Well it's not the error during UUcoding that worries me (the file was
> at the far end of a LinkFS link, and almost any action involving such
> a file produces bizarre results), but the aftermath.
>
> I removed the file in question from the attachments and tried again.
>
>    This file is already open
>
> Or something like that.  It's just gone from bad to worse, and wherever
> I click I get "Invalid Object Id".
>
>
> The file that's left open appears to be <Wimp$ScrapDir>.Messenger.SendMsg.

Yes, I had this problem. There's only one solution to this...

--
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begin 644 Text1,fff
;57!G<F%D92!T;R!-97-S96YG97(@,2XS-&,A
`
end

#! rmail 1167
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:55:25 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: A file error occurred during UUcoding
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:50:12 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> Yes, I had this problem. There's only one solution to this...

[A small attachment]

Erk, Messenger seems to have lost its ability to "run" attachments by
double-clicking on them. It gives "Unable to open file" errors.

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#! rmail 1187
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:55:33 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: A file error occurred during UUcoding
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:53:19 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          Tony Houghton <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Erk, Messenger seems to have lost its ability to "run" attachments by
> double-clicking on them. It gives "Unable to open file" errors.

I just found out why (sort of). Messenger's ScrapDir was fairly well
populated, including "RunMsg" with no access enabled.

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#! rmail 1252
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Heenan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:05:29 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: POPstar/Qedit (was Re: IMAP support)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:02:39 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:
>
> [How to patch Qedit for POPstar]
>
> > Go on, tells us then!
>
> OK, instructions are now on POPstar's support web page.

I've made these changes to my current version of Qedit... I just need
to test them, then I'll try and get a proper release out via David.
Hopefully shouldn't take too long!

Cheers,

Joseph



--
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#! rmail 1863
From: [e-mail] (Chris Rosser)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:50:32 +0000
Organization: The Honey Pot
Subject: Problem: all incoming mail marked as replied/read...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:38:02 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

A few weeks ago, when using Messenger 1.32 (I think), I opened my mailbox
to discover that one of the read entries was claiming to be written
sometime in the 21st century, had no subject line visible and the icon
had changed to the question mark type ('message?' in the Sprites file).

After reindexing the group using Newsbase, everything appeared fine until
my next batch of mail was processed; all new mail for that mailbox was
already marked as 'replied'. Of course, I can still read messages, but
every time new mail arrives I have to select 'all messages' and give them
all 'unread' status. Thinking it was a Messenger problem, I reverted back
to v1.02, which I am using now, and apparently nothing has changed, except
the new messages now appear as 'read' and not replied, as v1.02 doesn't
have this function.

Can anybody shed any light on these please? Is it a Newsbase problem,
and do I have to start with a new !newsdir to solve it? I'm not
using a weird setup or anything... (A5000, RO3.11, 4M, NB0.60d).

TIA,

Chris
}:)

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#! rmail 3039
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:14:17 +0000
Organization: Robinson College, Cambridge
Subject: Re: Problem: all incoming mail marked as replied/read...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.35 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:58:31 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Rosser) wrote:

> A few weeks ago, when using Messenger 1.32 (I think), I opened my mailbox
> to discover that one of the read entries was claiming to be written
> sometime in the 21st century, had no subject line visible and the icon
> had changed to the question mark type ('message?' in the Sprites file).

I'd like to know what's causing this if anybody has any clues.  My best guess
is that the overview file is corrupt, but I wouldn't rule out a problem with
Messenger.

> After reindexing the group using Newsbase, everything appeared fine until
> my next batch of mail was processed; all new mail for that mailbox was
> already marked as 'replied'.

The most likely explanation for this is that Messenger has marked as read
and/or replied a large chunk of messages ending in a high number.  This can
happen if Newsbase 'lies' about the highest article in a group, or if
Messenger finds abnormally high numbered articles in the overview file. In
either case Messenger is correct to do this, although it would be a good idea
to add a sanity check to avoid this problem.

The solution is to load your NewsRC files into a text editor and manually
correct the counts.  There are two files, one in !NewsDir.UserHome.roost and
another in !NewsDir.UserHome.roost.Messenger (both called NewsRC).  Make sure
Messenger isn't running, load each into your editor and locate the line for
Email.roost.

At the end of this line you'll probably find a pair of numbers where the
second is very large.  You need to either remove this pair, or alter the
second number to equal the highest article number in the group. This
information can be obtained from Newsbase's Mail and news storage control
panel by selecting the group and clicking Info.  The number you need is the
second of the pair given in the third field down (labelled Low/high).  Make
sure you've done this for both files, and have saved the changes.

When you return to Messenger you should find that, although all your articles
are still marked as read/replied, any new ones shouldn't be.  You will then
have to tidy up and change any flags that aren't correct.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1413
From: [e-mail] (jAmES Lawson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:20:27 +0000
Organization: CCl4 - http://www.ccl4.org/
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:33:48 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> It would also be useful if the Home and End keys moved the window to the top
> and bottom of the text respectively.

Indeed, as too <ctrl><upcursor> and <ctrl><downcursor>

I'd also prefer the displaying of headers to be the same way as
TTFN, where they are visable just by scrolling/paging up, rather than
having to toggle a button to view them.

Pressing page up is a lot more confortable/convenient than having to
stretch for <ctrl><h>

jAmES
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#! rmail 2153
From: [e-mail] (Chris Rosser)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:10:21 +0000
Organization: The Honey Pot
Subject: Re: Problem: all incoming mail marked as replied/read...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:06:01 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> > A few weeks ago, when using Messenger 1.32 (I think), I opened my mailbox
> > to discover that one of the read entries was claiming to be written
> > sometime in the 21st century, had no subject line visible and the icon
> > had changed to the question mark type ('message?' in the Sprites file).
>
> I'd like to know what's causing this if anybody has any clues.  My best guess
> is that the overview file is corrupt, but I wouldn't rule out a problem with
> Messenger.

I'd like to be able to help, but I don't think the reference to the Errors
file in !Run was enabled... Sorry...

>
> > After reindexing the group using Newsbase, everything appeared fine until
> > my next batch of mail was processed; all new mail for that mailbox was
> > already marked as 'replied'.
>
> The most likely explanation for this is that Messenger has marked as read
> and/or replied a large chunk of messages ending in a high number.  This can
> happen if Newsbase 'lies' about the highest article in a group, or if
> Messenger finds abnormally high numbered articles in the overview file.

Thanks! The changes to the NewsRC files sorted everything out. It looks
like Newsbase had overestimated the article number by about two thousand...

Thanks again,

Chris
}:)

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#! rmail 1267
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:35:20 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: A file error occurred during UUcoding
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:14:54 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:
>
> > Yes, I had this problem. There's only one solution to this...
>
> [A small attachment]
>
> Erk, Messenger seems to have lost its ability to "run" attachments by
> double-clicking on them. It gives "Unable to open file" errors.
>

That ruined that joke, then ... and it wasn't even a binary. :-)

--
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PGP key available

#! rmail 2423
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:50:28 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Multipart alternative parts mistake...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:40:50 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

I received an unusual email today - it was of multipart/alternative type,
the first two sections - were plaintext and then HTML (ugh!), the next
'real' attachment was an MS Word version of the final part (which was text).
However, only >one< attachment showed up in the attachments bar, which was
the MS Word attachment. Enclosed are the relevant MIME headers for each
section...
There is no logical reason for a part with Content-Disposition: attachment
to be excluded from the attachments bar (admittidly it was sent with
Mickeysofts Outlook express, but I'd have hoped messenger could still decipher
it)


  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
      boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD42AF.69022460"
  X-Priority: 3
  X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
  X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3
  X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3

  Message en plusieurs parties et au format MIME.

  ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD42AF.69022460
  Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
      boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0014_01BD42AF.69022460"


  ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01BD42AF.69022460
  Content-Type: text/plain;
      charset="iso-8859-1"
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

  ------=_NextPart_001_0014_01BD42AF.69022460--

  ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD42AF.69022460
  Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
      name="parttwo.doc"
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
  Content-Disposition: attachment;
      filename="parttwo.doc"

  ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD42AF.69022460
  Content-Type: text/plain;
      name="parttwo.txt"
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Content-Disposition: attachment;
      filename="parttwo.txt"



--
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Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know.


#! rmail 1798
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:50:35 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: MIME on usenet
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:23:05 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jakob Stoklund Olesen) wrote:

> I know that using MIME in news is considered bad netiquette in the
> international newsgroups (or is it only c.s.a.*?). However, MIME is use=
d
> frequently in the Danish newsgroups because we have 8-bit characters (=E6=
=F8=E5,
> =C6=D8=C5) in Danish. I have never seen anybody complain about this.

> I think that it would be nice if !Messenger would allow posting of
> QP-encoded articles, perhaps with a warning so that Ben Lee User won't =
send
> MIME to c.s.a.* and get flamed.

For the time being, you can use ZapEmail's qp encoding facility... you wi=
ll
need header editing enabled in Messenger, of course.

Hmm. Isn't news 8-bit, or at least mostly 8-bit, anyway?

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#! rmail 1543
From: [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:45:18 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Multipart alternative parts mistake...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "David Hobson" on Feb 02, 1998 at 09:50:28AM
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:40:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

David Hobson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I received an unusual email today - it was of multipart/alternative type,
> the first two sections - were plaintext and then HTML (ugh!), the next
> 'real' attachment was an MS Word version of the final part (which was text).
> However, only >one< attachment showed up in the attachments bar, which was
> the MS Word attachment. Enclosed are the relevant MIME headers for each
> section...

Are you saying that Messenger displayed the article text, hid the HTML
version, and listed the attachment? If so, this is entirely correct
behaviour. The HTML version is unnecessary as it is equivalent to the
text version. (Hence multipart/alternative.)

Cheers


Jon
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#! rmail 2890
From: [e-mail] (Vincent Lefevre)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:33:47 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: MIME on usenet
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "Jakob Stoklund Olesen" on Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 19:45:30
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.3
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:29:41 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

On Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 19:45:30 +0000, Jakob Stoklund Olesen wrote:
> I know that using MIME in news is considered bad netiquette in the
> international newsgroups (or is it only c.s.a.*?). However, MIME is used

Yes, in the Big-8.

In some other hierarchies (like fr.*), 8-bit characters are allowed,
but they shouldn't be encoded (i.e. QP and base64 are not tolerated),
and only text/plain is allowed (no multipart, no attachment, etc...);
in fr.*, the charset must be US-ASCII or ISO-8859-1 (aka iso-latin-1).

> frequently in the Danish newsgroups because we have 8-bit characters
> (, ) in Danish. I have never seen anybody complain about this.

> I think that it would be nice if !Messenger would allow posting of
> QP-encoded articles, perhaps with a warning so that Ben Lee User won't
> send MIME to c.s.a.* and get flamed.

No, QP shouldn't be used on Usenet (at least, in most hierarchies).
NNTP is 8-bit (contrary to SMTP, which may be 7-bit), so do not use
any encoding in Usenet articles.

But newsreaders should be able to decode QP, if possible.

> Another thing re: MIME: RFC2047 specifies how to put 8-bit chars in
> headers. This is also used frequently in the dk.* groups where thread
> titles show as
>
>         Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skr=E5skriften?= - hvad med den?
>
> when it should have read
>
>         Re: Skrskriften - hvad med den?

RFC1522 headers shouldn't be used on Usenet (they are only for mail,
where you mustn't send 8-bit characters in headers). If you want to
have 8-bit characters in Usenet headers, do not use any encoding.
But it isn't advised to have 8-bit characters in Usenet headers, as
it is forbidden by some RFC; so, there should be a warning from the
newsreader.

> Decoding (and perhaps encoding) of these headers would be nice too.

Decoding, yes. Encoding too, but only for mail.

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#! rmail 1227
From: [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:45:11 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Moving a message to another folder
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:00:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e



Am I missing something ?

When I move a message to another folder by selecting the message and
doing "Message -> Move to..." and picking from the list of folders,
messenger is only copying it not moving it.

Shouldn't Messsenger then delete it from its current place ? It seems
no different to Copy to...




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#! rmail 1172
From: [e-mail] (Andrew Freeman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:50:28 +0000
Organization: The Statto's Computer!
Subject: Changing user while editing a message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:32:48 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

When creating a message if you change user
the message disappears without giving a warning
could it please give a warning in future versions

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#! rmail 1206
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hudson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:20:16 +0000
Organization: Kotipu Place Observatory
Subject: In message X you wrote...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:04:36 +1300
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

AFAIK Messenger doesn't allow any variation on the text preceeding a quoted
message (In message <X> yyy wrote: ). Assuming I didn't miss it in 5 minutes
of poking around looking for it, could some options possibly be added here? I
find quoting a message reference is totally meaningless (it's in the header
if you really want to know that) and some sort of name and/or date
combination would be sufficient I think.

--
Richard (Rick) Hudson                                      [e-mail]
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/6722            [e-mail]


#! rmail 1515
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:28:29 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: A file error occurred during UUcoding
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:42:33 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

>> The file that's left open appears to be <Wimp$ScrapDir>.Messenger.SendMsg.

> Yes, I had this problem. There's only one solution to this...

And then an 'attachment' which said

   Upgrade to Messenger 1.34c!


Sigh.  How was I supposed to know that 1.34c was winging its way to me,
even as I typed.   ;-)


I once tried to do what Fred did, 'attach' a Text file that I felt
should be tucked away out of sight, but, as Fred's discovered, Messenger
thoughtfully uuencodes all attachments, thereby making them somewhat
larger than necessary.

I know little about attachments in general (uuencoded files in the middle
of email are my usual way of doing things), but is encoding required?



Chris


#! rmail 1463
From: [e-mail] (David Hobson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:44:19 +0000
Organization: Nazca Network Systems
Subject: Re: Multipart alternative parts mistake...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:49:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

[e-mail] (Jon Ribbens) wrote:

> Are you saying that Messenger displayed the article text, hid the HTML
> version, and listed the attachment? If so, this is entirely correct
> behaviour. The HTML version is unnecessary as it is equivalent to the
> text version. (Hence multipart/alternative.)

Nope, thats what it didn't do. There were TWO attachments (one version in
MS word format, the other nice simple text). The MS Word attachment went
down to the attachment bar, the others turned into viewable parts - what I
would have prefered was the final text version of the MS Word attachment
(which had attachment explicitly stated) on the attachments bar too.

David

--
David Hobson                        [e-mail]

"AMDAC?" asked the disgruntled FE.


#! rmail 1686
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 02:25:30 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: !Speak up
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:32:53 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (jAmES Lawson) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>> It would also be useful if the Home and End keys moved the window to the
>> top and bottom of the text respectively.

> Indeed, as too <ctrl><upcursor> and <ctrl><downcursor>

True.

> I'd also prefer the displaying of headers to be the same way as TTFN, where
> they are visable just by scrolling/paging up, rather than having to toggle
> a button to view them.

Should be optional...

> Pressing page up is a lot more confortable/convenient than having to
> stretch for <ctrl><h>

What's up with pressing Backspace? :-)

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master
|   BMPSprite. DrawMerge. DrawShape.

"Open hailing frequencies Mr Worf." "Normal or freak weather, sir?"


#! rmail 975
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:35:16 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Bug when changing width
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:04:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

If I change the display width (in Display choices) while a window is
open, and the changes cause lines to be wrapped/unwrapped, the bottom
few lines get corrupted, including the legendary "ofla" string. (1.34c).

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1339
From: [e-mail] (Derek Marshall)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:55:27 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Multipart alternative parts mistake...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:49:24 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e


> I received an unusual email today - it was of multipart/alternative type,
> the first two sections - were plaintext and then HTML (ugh!), the next

Just a thought, perhaps, for a new version of !Messenger - would it be
possible to fire up the Web Browser to read HTML messages? (the pain that
they are, people still seem to send them)

I'm not sure this is possible using the URL broadcast mechanism but I am
pretty certain ArcWeb will accept file:: URLs

just my 1/2p's worth.

Derek


--
 /^\  | Derek Marshall...
|___| |
\___/ | Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows '95
  %.  | [e-mail]    http://www.twintrees.demon.co.uk

#! rmail 4543
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:45:33 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: POPstar Wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:39:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Hi Tony,

this is re-send 'cause i've got no reply ;-) so i think the mail
has gone lost somewhere...


Hi Tony!

I like popstar very much, but i'm missing a feature from the
"predictor" !POP.

I would like to have a mail size limit where POPstar shows the
"From:" and "Subject:" line and asks if the mail should be fetched
or deleted without fetching.

It would be good if you could implement this in the way, that first
the mail size is fetched (with LIST), then from all oversized mails
it could just load the headers and then POPstar should download
the other mails while waiting for a user respose for the oversized
ones.

I'm thinking of a window like that (with 4 "example e-mails", email
2 would be "spam", and email 3 and 4 would have the same sender)

   __________________________________________________________________
  |@|X|___________________POPstar_needs_Help:______________________|o|
  |                                                                |^|
  |      The following senders exceed the download limit of 4k.    |#|
  |               What do you want to do with them?                |#|
  |________________________________________________________________|#|
  | From: [e-mail]             8k  [Fetch] |#|
  | Subj: Wish List for POPstar                            [KILL!] |#|
  |________________________________________________________________|#|
  | From: [e-mail]                           22k  [Fetch] |#|
  | Subj: YOU MUST READ THIS IF YOU WANT $$$$$             [KILL!] |#|
  |________________________________________________________________|#|
  | From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>               373k  [Fetch] |#|
  | Subj: Messenger 1.70f binary                           [KILL!] |#|
  |________________________________________________________________|#|
  | From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>                45k  [Fetch] |#|
  | Subj: Messenger Patch for 1.70f to 1.70g               [KILL!] |#|
  |________________________________________________________________|Y|


In example, if i was you then i would fetch mail #1 because it seems
to be a "good" email ;-))), so you would click the [Fetch]-Button.
The mail would then be flagged internally to be fetched in background.
The From: and Subj: Icons (and the [Fetch] and [KILL!] icons) for mail
#1 should then be "grayed out" when the mail has been fetched (the
[Fetch]-Icon could change to [Stop], so the user had an chance to
stop the fetch if the [Fetch]-Icon has been hit by mistake.

Mail 2 i would want to delete, so i would klick on the [KILL!]-Icon.
The mail should then be flagged to be deleted if there is no
mail download in progress (in background). The From: and Subj: lines
and the [Fetch]-icon should be greyed out, and the [KILL!]-icon
should become "[RETR!]" so the user could Retrive(?) the mail.
If the DELE-operation has not been executed in background, then
simply the flag should be reset, otherwise POPstar should send
a RETR command to the server. [RETR!] should not FETCH the mail,
but the From: and Subj:-lines and the [Fetch]-icon should become
active, and the [RETR!] should be reverted to [KILL!]

Mail 3 and 4 i would want to fetch. You could live make better
if i could press the [Fetch]-button for mail 3 or 4 with the
ADJUST-Mousebutton. A click with ADJUST would then tell POPstar
to fetch ALL MAILS from "Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>".

The window should auto-close after all downloads are completed.
If the window is manually closed, then the remaining mails
should be leaved remain on the server.


That would be nice, IMHO :-)


Bye,

   Torsten



--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
.. Never put off to tomorrow what you can wiggle out of today.

#! rmail 2279
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:35:02 +0000
Organization:
Subject: URI problems
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="outqueue-patch"
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:15:25 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

--outqueue-patch
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Having just implemented support for AcornURI in ZapDS (with a little support
code in Zap), I've noticed that Messenger is replying incorrectly to
URI_MProcess. Instead of sending a User_Message with URI_MProcessAck, it's
sending UserMessage_Acknowledge with URI_MProcess; AcornURI quite reasonably
thinks that the message is unclaimed...

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | nr Ashington, Northumberland
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | 01268 515441    | Toon Army
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | free mail, news | Season ticket
|   We've got Shearer back, you haven't

Warning: do not confuse billion with billion. Thousand million or trillion?

--outqueue-patch
Content-Type: application/riscos; name="MsgrPatch,fc3"; type=Patch; load=&ffffc348; exec=&209f814b; access=&03
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Application:!Messenger &2000
Description:Messenger 1.34c

Patch:Reply to URI_MProcess with URI_MProcessAck
File:!Messenger.!RunImage &FF8
Transform:Squeeze
Location:&17B78
VerifyString:1.34c
Location:&3BC6C
ChangeWord:&E3340000 &E1B00004
Location:&3BC74
ChangeWord:&E5950008 &E595E008
ChangeWord:&E585000C &E585E00C
ChangeWord:&E1A00004 &EB00003C
ChangeWord:&EB00003B &E3300001
ChangeWord:&E3300001 &13300002
ChangeWord:&13300002 &1A000016
ChangeWord:&1A000015 &EB000017
Location:&3BCA0
ChangeWord:&E3A00013 &E3A00011
Location:&3BCF0
ChangeWord:&5F6C7275 &E59F3004
ChangeWord:&72697275 &E5853010
ChangeWord:&6C757365 &E1A0F00E
ChangeWord:&6E616874 &0004E384
Location:&3BD08
ChangeWord:&FF000018 &FF000008

--outqueue-patch--

#! rmail 1127
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:47:38 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: URI problems
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.35 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:45:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:

> Having just implemented support for AcornURI in ZapDS (with a little
> support code in Zap), I've noticed that Messenger is replying incorrectly
> to URI_MProcess.

Yes, because I was using an old copy of the spec.  I've now changed it to
follow the new version.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1440
From: [e-mail] (Robert James Munro)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 16:50:17 +0000
Organization: Cauzality
Subject: Re: Multipart alternative parts mistake...
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 14:10:05 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Just a thought, perhaps, for a new version of !Messenger - would it be
> possible to fire up the Web Browser to read HTML messages? (the pain that
> they are, people still seem to send them)
>
> I'm not sure this is possible using the URL broadcast mechanism but I am
> pretty certain ArcWeb will accept file:: URLs

It's much easier than that, you just save the file to Scrap, and then
Filer_Run it. That's what Zap HoTMeaL mode does. What would be really
clever is if it could run it using the nested window manager, and keep the
Messenger toolbar, but that's for a much later version.

Robert Munro
--
e-mail:   [e-mail]     or     [e-mail]

#! rmail 2597
From: [e-mail] (Ariancylch)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:58:46 +0000
Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body
Subject: Re: IMAP support
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 06:22:42 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:

> The only reason I continue to use another mail package at work is that
> it supports IMAP where Messenger does not.
>
> What about it, Mark? How feasible would support for IMAP in Messenger
> be?

Having used !RemoteNB, albeit briefly, I've had a thought about this,
and a desire I expressed earlier to have the IMAP stuff put
'transparently' into Newsbase itself.

Is there any good reason (apart from lack of current support, which can
be changed) that you can't have two (or more) `newsbase servers' running
on a machine?
To demonstrate why I asked, consider someone in my position, who has
most of their (and other people in the house) mail in Newsbase, and is
quite happy for it to remain there. I also have a few mailboxes I would
like to be able to access via IMAP.
At present, I can do this by quitting Newsbase and loading RemoteNB.
It's occured to me that what is probably happening when I do this, is
Newsbase telling Messenger it's shutting down, and then RemoteNB
broadcasting a message saying it's starting up.
What would be nice is if I could simply start RemoteNB, which would
announce it's presence to all and sundry, at which point Messenger would
fetch a user list, as usual, but add it to the current list. Messenger
would have to note internally which user belonged to which server, so as
to send the messages to the right place, but I'd have thought that would
be reasonably simple. (Ha)

Anyway, I think it's a reasonably `nice' solution to my problem, at
least.

Any comments from anyone else, especially those that will be nice and
implement it? :)

--
 I won't use words again            | Faith |         May god stand between you
     they don't mean what I meant   |manages|     and harm in all the empty
         they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk


#! rmail 1962
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 18:10:27 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: POPstar Wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:27:33 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth) wrote:

> I would like to have a mail size limit where POPstar shows the
> "From:" and "Subject:" line and asks if the mail should be fetched
> or deleted without fetching.

I do intend to add filtering at some point, but I'd rather make it
automatic, working something like Newsbase filters. I'm in no great
hurry to do it, because POP3 isn't well suited to it, so unless you
receive quite a high proportion of spam, getting the headers for
filtering will actually make the overall process take longer than
downloading everything without checking - although using the size
returned by LIST as an initial check would certainly help a lot.

But personally I'm content to download it all and let Newsbase sort out
the junk for me, and would only be interested in adding filtering to
make it more appealing to other users really. So I'm wondering whether
to take the attitude, "This is POPstar, take it as it is or leave it,"
but release the source code so anyone who's a reasonable C programmer
can add filtering if they really want it.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1468
From: [e-mail] (Toby Smith)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:03:32 +0000
Organization: Toby's Risc PC 700 using SOUP
Subject: Copy to new folder problem.
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 20:53:31 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

I've just discovered what may be an obscure bug, or it might be a peculiarity
of my system.. Somone else may like to check:

If you're copying a message to a *newly created* folder, then Messenger will
create the folder (or get Newsbase to) but then fails to copy the message,
claiming the folder doesn't exist (presumably it does, but Messenger hasn't
checked for the new list?)

Also, the 'Move message to' works happily, but doesn't fire a refresh of the
source folder display to make the message 'disappear' from there...

Anybody else get this functionality?

--
Toby Smith - [e-mail] - http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~tcs
Membership Secretary & Pocket Book Columnist for The ARM Club.
All facts disclaimed, all opinions biased, all whisky bottles empty.
... "Bother", said Pooh, as his LAN manager went crackers

#! rmail 1908
From: [e-mail] (Torsten Karwoth)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:25:10 +0000
Organization: Xonerator Mothership
Subject: Re: POPstar Wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:57:34 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

[POPstar wishlist]

> But personally I'm content to download it all and let Newsbase sort out
> the junk for me, and would only be interested in adding filtering to
> make it more appealing to other users really. So I'm wondering whether

Well, i've the problem with receiving unwanted spam very often.

It's not only the short mail "look at our porn site:", but i receive
very often email with a size of 22k (or 42k) with a complete instruction
of "how to make millions of dollars".

I'm sure that POPstar would be a little bit slower if it would do header
download and filtering, but that isn't so bad because i fetch news at
the same time ;-)))

As i have only a 14.4k line i really dislike huge unwanted emails.

But i'm lucky as i can check my e-mail box at work (via telnet ;-)
and i've started to DELEte my spam from work...


And, no, i'm not firm in C ;-)

Bye,

   Torsten


--
___________|/_______________ ______ _____ ___ __  _    _        _
 |orsten   |\arwoth
 |   private:  tkarwoth (at) braunschweig.netsurf.de
 |   at work:  tkarwoth (at) winet.de
.. As long as I can remember, I've had amnesia.

#! rmail 1510
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:05:25 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: POPstar Wishlist
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:56:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

Changing the subject slightly, if you have any sort of control over a UNIX
machine with a direct connection to the Internet, say at work, and you want
some way to kill spam particularly when you're collecting your email at home
with POP, then I can strongly recommend procmail.

Ever since installing procmail the spam problem has vanished for me.

Procmail is a mail filter which acts on local deliveries of messages
according to both system and user supplied rule files.  The rules consist of
UNIX egrep style patterns followed by the action to take if the patterns are
matched.  Actions can include filing the message or passing it to other
programs for further processing.

Chris Latham.
--
Dr. Christopher D. Latham, Department of Physics,
Stocker Road, University of Exeter, EXETER, Devon, EX4 4QL.


#! rmail 1548
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:30:29 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Copy to new folder problem.
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:59:19 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Toby Smith) wrote:

> I've just discovered what may be an obscure bug, or it might be a
> peculiarity of my system.. Somone else may like to check:

OK

> If you're copying a message to a *newly created* folder, then Messenger
> will create the folder (or get Newsbase to) but then fails to copy the
> message,

No.

> claiming the folder doesn't exist

No.

> (presumably it does, but Messenger hasn't checked for the new list?)

Certainly the folder is invisible until Messenger is quit and restarted.

> Also, the 'Move message to' works happily, but doesn't fire a refresh of
> the source folder display to make the message 'disappear' from there...

Not until the folder is closed and opened again, no.

> Anybody else get this functionality?

Ish...

--
m.

PGP key available

#! rmail 2307
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:10:25 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re: Copy to new folder problem.
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:22:24 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Martin Tillman) wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]>
>          [e-mail] (Toby Smith) wrote:
>
>> I've just discovered what may be an obscure bug, or it might be a
>> peculiarity of my system.. Somone else may like to check:
>
>OK
>
>> If you're copying a message to a *newly created* folder, then Messenger
>> will create the folder (or get Newsbase to) but then fails to copy the
>> message,
>
>No.
>
>> claiming the folder doesn't exist
>
>No.
>
>> (presumably it does, but Messenger hasn't checked for the new list?)
>
>Certainly the folder is invisible until Messenger is quit and restarted.
>
>> Also, the 'Move message to' works happily, but doesn't fire a refresh of
>> the source folder display to make the message 'disappear' from there...
>
>Not until the folder is closed and opened again, no.
>
>> Anybody else get this functionality?
>
>Ish...
>
I agree with Martin's findings but have experienced a different
problem this morning.

I tried to move 4 emails to an existing folder (A) - nothing seemed to
happen. Tried moving 6 different emails to another folder (B) - they
seemed to move. Moved the first 4 again and this time they wnet into
folder A.

Opened folder B - 6 new emails with correct senders' names. Opened an
email and it now showed a message and sender that should have been in
folder A. Same with 3 others )-:

Any ideas?
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 1296
From: [e-mail] (Graham Allan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:15:34 +0000
Organization: University of Minnesota
Subject: Re: Copy to new folder problem.
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:08:11 -0600
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> I've just discovered what may be an obscure bug, or it might be a
> peculiarity of my system.. Somone else may like to check:
>
> If you're copying a message to a *newly created* folder, then
> Messenger will create the folder (or get Newsbase to) but then fails
> to copy the message, claiming the folder doesn't exist (presumably it
> does, but Messenger hasn't checked for the new list?)

It works ok for me when I try it. I know it used to fail in this way, as
it was a Newsbase bug, but I fixed it a month or so ago.

Graham
--

#! rmail 930
From: [e-mail] (Jack Risos)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 21:05:28 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Problems with updates
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 07:51:43 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

Can anyone tell me if they have had these problems, and how to fix them?

When I've tried to upgrade past v1.11 I get a message that Messenger needs Newsbase 0.59 or later (I've got 0.60f)

When I try a search in newsgroups I get a message that Newsfind needs Window 1.31 or later (I've got version 1.43 in the toolbox folder)

Thanks

--
Jack Risos   [e-mail]


#! rmail 1170
From: [e-mail] (Philip Lardner)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:50:19 +0000
Organization: The Ochra, Bray, Co. Wicklow, Ireland
Subject: Deleting selected messages
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:31:59 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

I don't know if this bug has been fixed in later versions; I am using
Messenger v1.34a.

1) When deleting 'selected' messages from a folder, any messages which have
   been ticked as having been read also get deleted even if they have not
   been selected.

2) This may be one for the Newsbase list, but having edited a message in the
   outgoing queue, both the new version of the message and the old version
   appear in the outgoing mail folder.

Phil.


#! rmail 1596
From: [e-mail] (Philip Lardner)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:50:28 +0000
Organization: The Ochra, Bray, Co. Wicklow, Ireland
Subject: Address Book
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:03:54 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

Would there be any chance of having the ability to split up the address book
into different sections so that you don't get all the addresses displayed in
one long list.

It would be useful if there were a number of 'filter' buttons at the top of
the address window which the user could both name and define by subject, so
that a click on say the 'Friends' button would display just those addresses
in the main list which you have tagged as belonging to the 'Friends' list. My
list of lists would be something like: All, Family, Friends, Work, s/w
Developers, Astronomers, and Genealogists. Other people would need other
titles for their lists, so it would be nice to be able to define them as you
wish.

I would find the ability to do this very useful, as my address book is
getting very long at this stage, and finding the appropriate name when you're
not sure who's who can get tricky!

TIA,

Phil.


#! rmail 1082
From: [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:45:27 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Overview file creation errors
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.35 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:28:56 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f



Hmm...

Why do I keep getting "Couldn't make overview file" errors ?  Like
when I delete the last email in my INBOX for example.

Is there something I'm doing wrong ?


--
Carol Carpenter
Home : [e-mail]   http://www.nocturnal.demon.co.uk/
Work : [e-mail]  Software Manager - Barnet College - Herts EN54AZ
                        PGP Key available on request
..."Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it."

#! rmail 1060
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:47:32 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Overview file creation errors
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.35 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:46:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter) wrote:

> Why do I keep getting "Couldn't make overview file" errors ?  Like
> when I delete the last email in my INBOX for example.

It's a bug in Newsbase.  It was fixed in 0.60d.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 2255
From: [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:24:21 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Overview file creation errors
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.35 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:15:35 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Carol Carpenter) wrote:
>
> > Why do I keep getting "Couldn't make overview file" errors ?  Like
> > when I delete the last email in my INBOX for example.
>
> It's a bug in Newsbase.  It was fixed in 0.60d.
>


Ah.  Sorry.  Sounds like a "I've not been paying attention kinda
problem"

*slinks off to get latest newsbase*

It's almost a weekly exercise upgrading.  Not that I'm complaining.


BTW moving messages to folers works a treat now - and it retains its
status too.  wheeeeee!


Now what about leaving email message subjects selected once you close
the message.  In a large list of emails, you select one, double click
to open it up, read it, then close it and - oh dear - which one was it
I just looked at ?  See what I mean ?  Any chance of leaving the
message highlighted so I can find it easily ?

I can see that in a news thread this could be tricky cause the thread
is highlight, not individual messages.  But for emails it would be
useful.


Thanks for the prompt reply.  I don't know how you keep up the speed
of development :)  Messenger just keeps getting better and better.





--
Carol Carpenter
Home : [e-mail]   http://www.nocturnal.demon.co.uk/
Work : [e-mail]  Software Manager - Barnet College - Herts EN54AZ
                        PGP Key available on request
...It is easier to avoid a problem than it is to solve one!

#! rmail 2095
From: [e-mail] (Joseph Heenan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:24:29 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Deleting selected messages
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.35 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:40:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Lardner) wrote:

> I don't know if this bug has been fixed in later versions; I am using
> Messenger v1.34a.
>
> 1) When deleting 'selected' messages from a folder, any messages which have
>    been ticked as having been read also get deleted even if they have not
>    been selected.

This doesn't happen here, unless you mean deleting messages causes
the screen to refresh, so read messages 'disappear' from view. You
can of course still get at them by doing display->all messages.

> 2) This may be one for the Newsbase list, but having edited a
>    message in the
>    outgoing queue, both the new version of the message and the old version
>    appear in the outgoing mail folder.

And this one is nothing to do with messenger ;-)

At the time I did qedit, newsbase didn't support deleting a message
with a particular message-id (and I think it still doesn't, at least
for email folder groups). This means qedit doesn't know where the
original message is, so it can't delete it.

(Qedit could possibly guess which outgoing folder the message went
in, and get at the message that way. I'm not sure)

So the choice I was given was either to have only the old version in
the outgoing folder, or have both versions. Both versions seemed to
be the lesser of the two evils.

Cheers,

Joseph



--
Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK

#! rmail 1585
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:24:38 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Deleting selected messages
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:18:27 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Philip Lardner) wrote:

> I don't know if this bug has been fixed in later versions; I am using
> Messenger v1.34a.
>
> 1) When deleting 'selected' messages from a folder, any messages which have
>    been ticked as having been read also get deleted even if they have not
>    been selected.
>
> 2) This may be one for the Newsbase list, but having edited a message in the
>    outgoing queue, both the new version of the message and the old version
>    appear in the outgoing mail folder.

I think you'll find that Messenger hasn't deleted those messages but has
just done a 'Refresh' and so removed them from the 'Unread' list.

If you select Display/Read or Display/All, I think you'll discover the
messages are still there.

The latest version is 1.34c.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 775
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:24:48 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Over enthusiastic Netiquette
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:24:30 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

Any chance of adjusting the long lines message warning so that it doesn't
apply to quoted text?

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1439
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hudson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 03:15:47 +0000
Organization: Kotipu Place Observatory
Subject: Re: Over enthusiastic Netiquette
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:16:36 +1300
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:

> Any chance of adjusting the long lines message warning so that it doesn't
> apply to quoted text?

I prefer it to work as it is since reading quoted text that overflows the
line is just as annoying as reading overflowing unquoted text and I think
it's good that Messenger warns of this. Zap Email (at least) allows
reformatting of quoted text and I always make use of this to keep messages
tidy.

--
Rick Hudson                                                [e-mail]
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/rickh                       [e-mail]
                                       No large e-mail to Actrix! (use Clear)


#! rmail 1683
From: [e-mail] (Ruth Gunstone)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:41:06 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Messenger has run out of memory
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.35 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 01:45:55 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:
>
> > I also just opened a message window with a big blank space where the
> > toolbar should have been.
> >
>
> Yes - this has happened occasionally with me as well.
>

And here - but when I closed the window and opened it again all was well.
--
Ruth Gunstone        ||          A discerning computer user,             ||
                     ||       therefore a StrongArm RiscPC User.         ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||  Web-Site: http://www.bolsterstone.demon.co.uk/  ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||   Member of the Wakefield Acorn Computer Group   ||
                     ||        (Opinions expressed are MINE ALONE)       ||


#! rmail 1167
From: [e-mail] (Philip Draper)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:41:15 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: fictitious E-mail?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:33:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

Hello,

Messenger regularly gives me the message "new mail for root" but there seems
to be nothing there and the directories that might be storing messages are
empty. So what is happening? Is this some side effect of having mailing list
messages transferred to folders so that they can be read as `news'? (I have
three mailing lists set up this way). Or is some real E-mail getting lost in
the system? There is weak evidence that this occasionally happens.

Philip.

--
Philip Draper

    [e-mail]

    or

    [e-mail]

#! rmail 3181
From: [e-mail] (Jamie Michael Temple)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:40:25 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Messenger hanging (poss. toolbox related)
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:12:57 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

I've finally run out of patience, help!

I don't believe that this is Messengers fault, but toolbox related.  My R=
PC
hangs (requiring a reset, ctrl-break won't work) at random intervals whil=
st
the pointer is over a messenger window.

A bit of history...
My RPC died just before christmas.  Mid january I got it back, then
downloaded the latest versions of Acorn's Internet, NewsBase, and Messeng=
er.

This is when the problem first arose.  I am using (I think) the latest
versions of the relevant software, but where I upgraded so many bits at t=
he
same time, I have no idea which of them may be causing me problems.

I recall something Stewart Brodie posted about a patch of his to ensure t=
he
correct Toolbox modules are loaded at boot.  I have not tried this as I
believe that the latest version of Internet had a little program of it's =
own
to make sure the latest modules are used.  Am I right on this one???

As I've not seen anything along these lines posted here before, I'm assum=
ing
that I'm alone in these problems, or did I miss something whilst my RPC
was ill?

TIA.


Version numbers :
  Browse    1.33
  Newsbase  0.60f
  Messenger 1.34c

 Modules (relevant I hope) :
Toolbox         1.41 (17 Feb 1998)
Window Object   1.47 (17 Feb 1998)
Menu            0.32 (17 Feb 1998)
System Logger   0.04 (01 Jun 1995) =A9 Stewart Brodie
Iconbar         1.18 (17 Feb 1998)
ProgInfo        0.14 (17 Feb 1998)
SerialBuffer    1.00 (05 Mar 1992)
PPP             1.18 (16 Sep 1997) block driver serial interface
DNS Resolver    1.08 (09 Apr 1997) (BIND-4.9.5-REL) =A9Stewart Brodie, UC=
B, ISC
FontDbox        0.16 (17 Feb 1998)
ColourDbox      0.17 (17 Feb 1998)
SaveAs          0.15 (17 Feb 1998)
Impulse         0.18 (26 Mar 1992)
Dynamite        1.21 (03 Aug 1997) =A9 1997 Straylight
SysLog          0.17 (23 Apr 1997) =A9 DoggySoft Ltd., 1995, 1996, 1997
gdbm            0.03 (11 Jul 1997) GNU dbm manager
PrintDbox       0.14 (17 Feb 1998)
FontMenu        0.21 (17 Feb 1998)
URL             0.32 (17 Feb 1998)
Acorn HTTP      0.75 (17 Feb 1998)
File Fetcher    0.38 (17 Feb 1998)
FTP Fetcher     0.27 (17 Feb 1998)
Gopher Fetcher  0.10 (17 Feb 1998)
Mime Mapping    0.05 (23 Oct 1997) =A9 ANT Ltd, 1997
Acorn URI       0.12 (09 Feb 1998)


Later...

Jamie.

--=20
Jamie Michael Temple. - http://www.parsed-out.demon.co.uk
                        email : jamie&parsed-out^demon^co^uk
                       =20
dawn chorus(n): Nature's way of telling the programmer to go to sleep.


#! rmail 1470
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 14:10:24 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:52:02 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

A few observations that I've made in the last few days about ways
in which Messenger's user interface could be improved...

Firstly, followup-with-courtesy-copy doesn't work in a mailing list
as it only follows up, it doesn't insert the sender's address in
the cc field.

Secondly it would nice if followup in a mail folder would insert
the original recipients address in the to field instead of leaving
it blank - that way you could use followup in the outgoing mail
folder to elaborate on an earlier message.

Finally the move and copy menus over a message don't include the
current user's INBOX which would be nice. It would also be nice if
there was a key shortcut to bring up the move and/or copy menu
when in a message.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...ERRORS will show up in the duplicate while the Boss reads it.


#! rmail 1382
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 17:30:19 +0000
Organization: WombatPD
Subject: User defined headers twice?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:27:10 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

When using user defined headers, it would be nice if an already existing
header entry with the same name would be overwritten. For example:

I have two mail domains which I want both to use for outgoing mail,
"hof.baynet.de" and "pingpong.de". Newsbase default is "hof.baynet.de".

I'd like to have one Newsbase user whose header contains
"From: Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]>" instead of that
"<[e-mail]>". But when I use an user defined header, the
"From:" line appears twice in the email header.

So, could Messenger just replace any old header entries with the same name?
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat


#! rmail 1184
From: [e-mail] (Andrew Black)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:40:13 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: User defined headers twice?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:35:18 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:


> I'd like to have one Newsbase user whose header contains
> "From: Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]>" instead of that
> "<[e-mail]>". But when I use an user defined header, the
> "From:" line appears twice in the email header.

 From: can be set to what you want using Newsbase configuration.
What benefit is there getting messenger to overide this


--
Andrew Black


#! rmail 1323
From: [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:10:12 +0000
Organization: ARMage Software
Subject: Updating of group viewers
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:58:40 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

I sometimes find some aspects of the automatic updating of group viewers
very annoying.  In particular, I would like read mail to remain in the
list when the window has to be updated, unless I initiate the update.
Tidying up by sorting mail into a number of folders/deleting it would be
made a lot easier.

Another feature that it would be nice to have would be a group viewer
divided by horizontal rules into unread, pending and dealt with
sections.  Stuff could then easily be dragged between them.
(That is an enhancement to the one thing that I like about Turnpike.
In all other respects it is an abomination of a program).

--
Malcolm Boura, ARMage Software
http://www.armage.demon.co.uk

#! rmail 788
From: [e-mail] (Malcolm Boura)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:10:20 +0000
Organization: ARMage Software
Subject: Adjust click
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:48:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

Can adjust click on the close icon act like in the filer please?  ie
open the parent window.

Best wishes

--
Malcolm Boura, ARMage Software
http://www.armage.demon.co.uk

#! rmail 1479
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hudson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:27:34 +0000
Organization: Kotipu Place Observatory
Subject: Unread message display
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:18:09 +1300
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

I like the way mailbox windows have envolved giving a useful amount of info
(especially the thread tree) but I wonder if it would be possible to add some
kind of visual indicator to the mail list-of-boxes (what ever it's called) so
that when all messages are shown it is possible to see which boxes have at
least one unread message and which have been 'caught up'. I prefer to have
the default display set to 'all messages' but in order to find where any new
mail is I have to change to Unread mode. I think this remains the one thing
about TTFN that I miss (black lines turned grey when all messages were read).

--
Rick Hudson                                                [e-mail]
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/rickh                       [e-mail]
                                       No large e-mail to Actrix! (use Clear)


#! rmail 1897
From: [e-mail] (Dickon Hood)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:15:11 +0000
Organization: The Fluff Disorganisation
Subject: Re: User defined headers twice?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.33 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:09:05 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

: In message <[e-mail]>
:           [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:

: > I'd like to have one Newsbase user whose header contains
: > "From: Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]>" instead of that
: > "<[e-mail]>". But when I use an user defined header, the
: > "From:" line appears twice in the email header.

:  From: can be set to what you want using Newsbase configuration.
: What benefit is there getting messenger to overide this

Temporarily for one email message.  I use dickon-ml and dickon-news for
mailing lists and newsgroups respectivly.  I prefer to keep dickon-news for
spam, so I'd like to be able to set replies to real messages to that box to
be [e-mail], not [e-mail].  Sadly at present this isn't
possible (although judicious use of the Reply-To: header partially solves the
problem).

I imagine others wish to do something similar.

--
Dickon Hood

I've now managed to find my .signature file, normal service
will be resumed when Connex South Central get their act together.
We apologise for the inconvenience in the mean time.

#! rmail 1413
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:45:19 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Over enthusiastic Netiquette
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:00:32 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Rick Hudson) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough) wrote:
>
> > Any chance of adjusting the long lines message warning so that it
> > doesn't apply to quoted text?
>
> I prefer it to work as it is since reading quoted text that overflows
> the line is just as annoying as reading overflowing unquoted text and I
> think it's good that Messenger warns of this. Zap Email (at least)
> allows reformatting of quoted text and I always make use of this to keep
> messages tidy.

So it does. Thanks. Ignore that request!

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 1104
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:00:19 +0000
Organization:
Subject: 8-bit warnings
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:57:05 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

When we get warned about a message with 8th bit set characters, could
the error box have an extra button to send the message anyway overriding
the "Assume 8 bit transport" option?

FWIW I just received a message from someone that had a pound sign but it
wasn't encoded, so I wanted to reply in kind; but I think it would be
best to leave the warning on.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1471
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:25:30 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 13:52:02 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

A few observations that I've made in the last few days about ways
in which Messenger's user interface could be improved...

Firstly, followup-with-courtesy-copy doesn't work in a mailing list
as it only follows up, it doesn't insert the sender's address in
the cc field.

Secondly it would nice if followup in a mail folder would insert
the original recipients address in the to field instead of leaving
it blank - that way you could use followup in the outgoing mail
folder to elaborate on an earlier message.

Finally the move and copy menus over a message don't include the
current user's INBOX which would be nice. It would also be nice if
there was a key shortcut to bring up the move and/or copy menu
when in a message.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...ERRORS will show up in the duplicate while the Boss reads it.



#! rmail 1221
From: [e-mail] (Steve Bradbury)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:25:38 +0000
Organization: Alan Dick & Co. Ltd.
Subject: Re: Adjust click
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:35:15 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]> Malcom Boura wrote:

> Can adjust click on the close icon act like in the filer please?  ie
> open the parent window.
>
> Best wishes
>

Also could a double-adjust-click on a mailbox in the mailer (for example)
open the box and close the parent?


--
Steve Bradbury                                         Alan Dick & Co. Ltd.
[e-mail]                     Specialists in towers, masts
                                                       and antenna systems


#! rmail 1629
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:30:14 +0000
Organization: WombatPD
Subject: Re: User defined headers twice?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:26:06 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Andrew Black) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:
>
>
> > I'd like to have one Newsbase user whose header contains
> > "From: Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]>" instead of that
> > "<[e-mail]>". But when I use an user defined header, the
> > "From:" line appears twice in the email header.
>
>  From: can be set to what you want using Newsbase configuration.
> What benefit is there getting messenger to overide this

Just to use different From: addresses than configured in NewsBase (for
multiple mail domains).

Better question: What benefit is there getting a From: header twice?
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat


#! rmail 8294
From: [e-mail] (Steve Lee)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:28:22 +0000
Organization: Robinson College Puddings Society
Subject: PGP comments and bugs
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:17:44 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

I've only just got round to installing a 1.3x version, so sorry if some
of this is out of date.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I have to agree with some of the other comments about messenger's
handling of PGP signing.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2i

iQCVAwUBNQWiIlw5FKDLtxFNAQFVrwQAsqc/KwGitMiqVDHZd0m2/MIzKL2oTqNs
bb/TSCwmEBIRcPZawT7GVGTnIYktYoHuq9wqGTesJ6GL3e4nBiI89iCCreGSVRTS
/f5oJ5eb45e+KylFN2CGKdeVHVwAwMx1cTiJHtK5UBT9ehM3Dhhd/l4cxlGlKvNL
0YK12iE8dFc=
=gN7B
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

In this message, I have PGP signed 2 short sections. The current traffic
light system makes it look like I've signed the whole message, and does
not even confirm that it was me who signed it.

It would be nice if messenger would leave in the BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE
bit in, and replace the signature block with the part of PGP's output which
says:

Good signature from user "Steve Lee <[e-mail]>".
Signature made 1998/03/10 20:27 GMT

or

Key matching expected Key ID 78CD4329 not found in file '<...>'.

WARNING: Can't find the right public key-- can't check signature integrity.

or

WARNING: Bad signature, doesn't match file contents!

Bad signature from user "Steve Lee <[e-mail]>".
Signature made 1998/03/10 20:27 GMT

or (when auto-check is not enabled)

PGP signature has not yet been checked.

or any other suitable message if appropriate.

Clicking on one of these messages would cause the signature to be
[re]checked. A traffic light would then show if _ALL_ the signed blocks
checked out OK.

Equally, if messenger comes across a block like the following, it should
appear as something that can be clicked on in order to list the key[s]
contained and/or add them to the keyring, in a similar manner to how
UUencoded stuff is^H^Hused to be handled. At present you will now have to
scroll past my public key to get to the next bit of the message.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: 2.6.2i
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=WtGq
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----


Ideally, messenger's handling of PGP messages should be hierarchical.
e.g. if I have pasted some text into my message that Alice has signed,
some more that Bob has signed and then signed the whole lot, you should
be able to see this in the messenger window, with all the signatures
checked.

It would be nice if Messenger gave you the option of semi-automatically
constructing a message to a PGP keyserver to request an unrecognised key.

It would be nice if it was possible to:
a) View the headers of an encrypted message or the unencrypted parts of a
  partially encrypted message, without having to decrypt it. A method of
  doing this would be to have encrypted things appear in a similar manner
  to the manner I suggested above for clearsigned messages, and the old
  method for UUencoded stuff.
b) Have a plaintext part of a message which is prepended to the encrypted
  part. (my ideal situation would be to be able to embed encrypted parts
  at arbitrary positions in the message, but that would be tricky to do
  at messenger's level.


As I've hinted at above, I preferred messenger's old handling of
uuencoded attachments. It allowed things like the following to make
sense:

Here's a Zip with version A of my program in:
[UUcode for ProgA/zip]

Here's the modified resource file to convert it to verion B
[UUcode for NewResB/zip]

... and an animated gif for the webpage:
[UUcode for NaffLogo/gif]

I think the best method would be to keep the inline links but have a
summary of all the attachments with their icons at the bottom.
(this is what Netscape does with uuencoded stuff anyway, although in that
case the summary at the bottom is switchable.)


Buggy bits:

If I try to encrypt and sign a message to someone who's public key I don't
have on my keyring, Messenger thinks that the passphrase is wrong, and
makes me enter it again even if I check the 'remember passphrase' button.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

If I try to encrypt a message to more than one person (e.g. to the recipient
and also Cc: or Bcc: myself), it seems that the command gets too long for
the command line. Messenger first comes up with an error box, and when
that is cancelled it crashes, taking the machine down with it.

In the particular instance for which the backtrace below came up, I had

To: Matthew 'RCPS' Astley <[e-mail]>
Bcc: [e-mail]

Illegal address (e.g. wildly outside array bounds)

Postmortem requested
  Arg5: 0x0004f064 323684 -> [0x40000000 0x7373654d 0x65676e65 0x61772072]
  Arg4: 0x4003e61c 1073997340
  Arg3: 0x00055218 348696 -> [0x0000017a 0x00000466 0x000004be 0x00000782]
  Arg2: 0x0004f068 323688 -> [0x7373654d 0x65676e65 0x61772072 0x6e752073]
  Arg1: 0x00000001 1
49980 in function werror
  Arg1: 0x0004f064 323684 -> [0x40000000 0x7373654d 0x65676e65 0x61772072]
49b30 in function werror_complain
  Arg4: 0x0006c888 444552 -> [0x00000680 0x00000001 0x2e387663 0x02388159]
  Arg3: 0x0004c5a0 312736 -> [0x00000000 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0xffffffff]
  Arg2: 0x00055354 349012 -> [0x00000014 0x000008ad 0x00082881 0x00000024]
  Arg1: 0x00082881 534657
12444 in function editmsg_dboxhandler
  Arg2: 0x0004c5a0 312736 -> [0x00000000 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0xffffffff]
  Arg1: 0x00055354 349012 -> [0x00000014 0x000008ad 0x00082881 0x00000024]
169a8 in function event_calltboxhandler
  Arg2: 0x00055354 349012 -> [0x00000014 0x000008ad 0x00082881 0x00000024]
  Arg1: 0x00000200 512 -> [0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x00000000]
167f4 in function event_callhandler
  Arg4: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xea703805 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg3: 0x0000000a 10
  Arg2: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xea703805 0xe59ff39c]
  Arg1: 0x00000000 0 -> [0xe59ff39c 0xe59ff39c 0xea703805 0xe59ff39c]
16760 in function event_pollidle
1fc40 in function messenger_poll
  Arg2: 0x00055954 350548 -> [0x00055968 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x3e694c3c]
  Arg1: 0x00000001 1
1fbc8 in function main
3a15f10 in unknown procedure
49df8 in anonymous function


As many others have said: Excellent piece of work despite its few faults 8-)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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--
Steve Lee
http://www.banoffee.demon.co.uk/steve/

#! rmail 1096
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:35:21 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Encryption
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:39:54 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

Does anybody else agree that it would be useful for Messenger to use PGP
encryption such that it's possible for the *sender*'s private key to be used
to decrypt?

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | nr Ashington, Northumberland
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | 01268 515441    | Toon Army
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | free mail, news | Season ticket
|   JSW. Bug. CTetris. Mindtrap. KPatience. SnakePit.

Borg song: "We all sleep in a single subroutine."


#! rmail 1271
From: [e-mail] (Andrew Black)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:40:18 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: 8-bit warnings
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:45:25 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> When we get warned about a message with 8th bit set characters, could
> the error box have an extra button to send the message anyway overriding
> the "Assume 8 bit transport" option?
>
> FWIW I just received a message from someone that had a pound sign but it
> wasn't encoded, so I wanted to reply in kind; but I think it would be
> best to leave the warning on.

Maybe only do the check on new text, not quoted text - if 8-bit-char got
to you safely then chances it will get back again.

--
Andrew Black


#! rmail 1010
From: [e-mail] (Chris Latham)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:10:30 +0000
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Exeter
Subject: Re: Encryption
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:58:16 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]> Darren Salt asked whether
it would be useful for Messenger to use PGP encryption such that it's
possible for the *sender*'s private key to be used to decrypt.

If you set `EncryptToSelf = on' in the file config/txt, will that do what you
want?

Chris Latham.



#! rmail 1433
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:30:28 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:09:25 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> Firstly, followup-with-courtesy-copy doesn't work in a mailing list as it
> only follows up, it doesn't insert the sender's address in the cc field.

Interestingly, 'reply to all' works for this, placing the sender's address in
the To: field and the mailing list address in the Cc: field.


[snip rest]

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | nr Ashington, Northumberland
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | 01268 515441    | Toon Army
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | free mail, news | Season ticket
|   JSW. Bug. CTetris. Mindtrap. KPatience. SnakePit.

I am Zarniwoop of Borg. I've been waiting 900 years to assimilate you...


#! rmail 1420
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:10:13 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:59:46 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:
>
> > Firstly, followup-with-courtesy-copy doesn't work in a mailing list as it
> > only follows up, it doesn't insert the sender's address in the cc field.
>
> Interestingly, 'reply to all' works for this, placing the sender's address in
> the To: field and the mailing list address in the Cc: field.

Not on your message to messenger-l that I'm replying to now
it didn't...

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...Data, data everywhere, and not a byte to eat!


#! rmail 1254
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:26:01 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Encryption
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:34:56 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Chris Latham) wrote:

[snip]
> If you set `EncryptToSelf = on' in the file config/txt, will that do what
> you want?

Er, yes. I suppose I should have looked there :-|

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master
|   PGP key available on request

I am Neelix of Borg. Your assimilation will boost the Collective's morale.


#! rmail 1752
From: [e-mail] (Philip Powell)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:26:10 +0000
Organization: Sharp Edge
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:23:19 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

>In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
>          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:
>>
>> > Firstly, followup-with-courtesy-copy doesn't work in a mailing list as it
>> > only follows up, it doesn't insert the sender's address in the cc field.
>>
>> Interestingly, 'reply to all' works for this, placing the sender's address in
>> the To: field and the mailing list address in the Cc: field.
>
>Not on your message to messenger-l that I'm replying to now
>it didn't...
>
>Tom
>

Tom

Using Adjust on 'Reply to all' it has worked for me..

I know it won't make any difference but I'll just say I'm using
StrongEd and I would assume that Darren is using Zap (-:

HTH
Philip
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to the Cheviot
              PGP Key available on request

#! rmail 1371
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:35:13 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:51:12 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
          Philip Powell <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Using Adjust on 'Reply to all' it has worked for me..

Not here it doesn't.

> I know it won't make any difference but I'll just say I'm using
> StrongEd and I would assume that Darren is using Zap (-:

No that's not it. I think the reason is that although this is
configured as a mailing list in my Messenger the underlying group
is a news group (lists.messenger-l) whilst yours is presumably a
folder.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...Warranty and guaranty clauses are voided by payment of the invoice.


#! rmail 936
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:25:25 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Missing toolbar
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:57:00 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

The toolbar missing from a message display window seems to happen every
time I read my first news article after loading Messenger, after having
read any previously unread private mail.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1217
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:29:24 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Missing toolbar
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:27:05 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:

> The toolbar missing from a message display window seems to happen every
> time I read my first news article after loading Messenger, after having
> read any previously unread private mail.

Is this with the beta version or the release version?  I know it happens with
the current beta as I've seen it myself - has anybody seen the release
version do this?

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1452
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:29:39 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Missing toolbar
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:44:15 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Mark Sawle) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tony Houghton) wrote:
>
> > The toolbar missing from a message display window seems to happen every
> > time I read my first news article after loading Messenger, after having
> > read any previously unread private mail.
>
> Is this with the beta version or the release version?  I know it happens with
> the current beta as I've seen it myself - has anybody seen the release
> version do this?

Oh sorry, I forgot it was a beta; wrong mailing list :-(. 1.36a.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 2280
From: [e-mail] (Tom Hughes)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:19:03 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:28:02 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
          Martin Tillman <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:
>
> > Not here it doesn't.
>
> That's <adjust> on the mail icon, and it works here.  Are you <adjust>ing
> on the news icon?

Nope, the mail icon.

> > I think the reason is that although this is configured as a mailing list
> > in my Messenger the underlying group is a news group (lists.messenger-l)
> > whilst yours is presumably a folder.
>
> Well, mine is definitely a folder, though it appears as a pseudo-newsgroup
> rather than a real folder.  This is how the help file tells you to set up a
> mailing list - I've never heard of this 'lists.messenger-l' thingy.  Please
> explain.

Well the mailing list dialogue will let you type in any group
name you like - it could be a private folder a public folder or
a news group.

Because I'm using RemoteNB to read news and mail from my linux
box instead of using Newsbase to read from a local news and mail
datbase the best way of allowing mailing lists to expire articles
is to gateway them to news on the linux box then let the normal
news expiry process expire them.

To that end I created a local news hierarchy called lists and
gatewayed all the mailing lists I subscribe to into groups in
that hierarchy then declared those groups to be mailing lists
in Messenger.

Tom

--
Tom Hughes ([e-mail])
http://www.compton.demon.co.uk/
...No matter what happens, there is always someone who knew it would.


#! rmail 2018
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:19:11 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:13:41 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:
>>> Firstly, followup-with-courtesy-copy doesn't work in a mailing list a=
s it
>>> only follows up, it doesn't insert the sender's address in the cc fie=
ld.
>> Interestingly, 'reply to all' works for this, placing the sender's add=
ress
>> in the To: field and the mailing list address in the Cc: field.

> Not on your message to messenger-l that I'm replying to now it didn't..=
.

Strange... I think we can rule out the headers, since they're very simila=
r...

Do you find that 'reply to all' work for *your* message? I can only repor=
t
that it does so here, and that attempting to do so to mine fails.

--=20
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc=
 PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spe=
c+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master=

|   BMPSprite. DrawMerge. DrawShape.

D=E9j=E0 Borg. The feeling that you have read that Borg tagline before.


#! rmail 1544
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:19:18 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:04:56 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
>           Philip Powell <[e-mail]> wrote:

> > Using Adjust on 'Reply to all' it has worked for me..

> Not here it doesn't.

That's <adjust> on the mail icon, and it works here.  Are you <adjust>ing
on the news icon?

[snip]
> I think the reason is that although this is configured as a mailing list
> in my Messenger the underlying group is a news group (lists.messenger-l)
> whilst yours is presumably a folder.

Well, mine is definitely a folder, though it appears as a pseudo-newsgroup
rather than a real folder.  This is how the help file tells you to set up a
mailing list - I've never heard of this 'lists.messenger-l' thingy.  Please
explain.

--
m.

PGP key available

#! rmail 1329
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:25:21 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:04:10 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

[snip]
> > Not on your message to messenger-l that I'm replying to now it
> > didn't....

> Strange... I think we can rule out the headers, since they're very
> similar...

> Do you find that 'reply to all' work for *your* message? I can only
> report that it does so here, and that attempting to do so to mine fails.

Ah, yes.  *I* can reply to a sender and CC to the list on all messages
except my own (how sensible!).

--
m.

PGP key available

#! rmail 1215
From: [e-mail] (Martin Tillman)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:25:29 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:00:17 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

> In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
>           Martin Tillman <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]
> > That's <adjust> on the mail icon, and it works here.  Are you
> > <adjust>ing on the news icon?

> Nope, the mail icon.

Odd.

[snip]
> > I've never heard of this 'lists.messenger-l' thingy.  Please explain.
[snip explanation]

Er, right :-/  (I knew I shouldn't have asked, ;-) ).

--
m.

PGP key available

#! rmail 1492
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hudson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:45:16 +0000
Organization: Kotipu Place Observatory
Subject: Multiple user question
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:32:11 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

I'm not sure whether this is a newsreader thing or a Newsbase thing but...

Is it possible to fully support multiple accounts *not* all having the same
domain name? eg I have two mail addresses (see my sig) which I use for
different reasons and there's no problems fetching mail from both accounts.
But if I want to send a mail from the different accounts I can't figure out
out to do that automatically (without editing the header). Specifically it is
assumed that all mail originates from different users in the same domain.
Although the reply-to can provide a correct address in any case the From can
be wrong.

Any ideas?

--
Rick Hudson                                                [e-mail]
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/rickh                       [e-mail]
                                       No large e-mail to Actrix! (use Clear)


#! rmail 1919
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:48:17 +0000
Organization: http://www.PingPong.de
Subject: Re: Multiple user question
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:13:43 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Rick Hudson) wrote:

> I'm not sure whether this is a newsreader thing or a Newsbase thing but...
>
> Is it possible to fully support multiple accounts *not* all having the same
> domain name? eg I have two mail addresses (see my sig) which I use for
> different reasons and there's no problems fetching mail from both accounts.
> But if I want to send a mail from the different accounts I can't figure out
> out to do that automatically (without editing the header). Specifically it is
> assumed that all mail originates from different users in the same domain.
> Although the reply-to can provide a correct address in any case the From can
> be wrong.
>
> Any ideas?

I had a similar question some days ago (without reaction so far), but I
think I have managed the problem. At least in Newsbase 0.60f, there is
an option called "From header" in the "Local users" window (/Edit user).

Enter your mail address there. For every different email address, you will
need another Newsbase user.
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat


#! rmail 2360
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:45:58 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Some suggestions
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:32:23 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Darren Salt) failed to write:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:

>> In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
>>           [e-mail] (Darren Salt) wrote:
>>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>>           [e-mail] (Tom Hughes) wrote:
>>>> Firstly, followup-with-courtesy-copy doesn't work in a mailing list as
>>>> it only follows up, it doesn't insert the sender's address in the cc
>>>> field.
>>> Interestingly, 'reply to all' works for this, placing the sender's
>>> address in the To: field and the mailing list address in the Cc: field.

>> Not on your message to messenger-l that I'm replying to now it didn't..

Whoops, something went wrong here...

What I said (but somehow didn't post) was that it worked for your message,
but not mine. Thinking further about this, it's excluding the sender's
address (in this case, my address) from the list of addresses to send to.
Understandable behaviour, given that it was I who requested it in the first
place :-)

However, if you're finding that it's excluding others' addresses - not just
your own - when you attempt to reply to all, you have a problem...

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Toon Army     | 01268 515441    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | Season ticket | free mail, news | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | BBC Master
|   This line reserved for future expansion

I am Janeway of Borg. Crying is futile; you will never make it home.


#! rmail 1580
From: [e-mail] (Steve Turnbull)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:54:46 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Is this feasible?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:50:46 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

This is not desperately important but...

When using MailList in a moderated form it's necessary to approve or
disapprove messages for distribution.

It's not difficult but it is tedious typing the approve/disapprove
messages into the subject for reply, and there's potential for
error.

Is there some RFC-compliant way (or at least non-contradictory way
that's not going to upset non-Messenger users) of specifying an
automatic subject after an e-mail such that the subject is automatically
included. Something like this:

   [e-mail]/subject:approve discipline 163/

I suppose it could be developed into some sort of general scheme for
specifying header/body contents though that's probably going too far.

Just a thought to make life easier -- obviously MailList would have to
be hacked to use it.

--
Steve Turnbull ([e-mail])
http://www.cix.co.uk/~turnbull/

.. This message was brought to you with the aid of 100% recycled electrons

#! rmail 1236
From: [e-mail] (Chris Manning)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:05:58 +0000
Organization: Organisation?  Er, no...
Subject: Re: Multiple user question
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:20:20 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:

>> But if I want to send a mail from the different accounts I can't figure
>> out out to do that automatically (without editing the header).

> At least in Newsbase 0.60f, there is an option called "From header" in
> the "Local users" window (/Edit user).

> Enter your mail address there. For every different email address, you
> will need another Newsbase user.

And if the two users need to use different transports?



Chris


#! rmail 1181
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:05:53 +0000
Organization: http://www.PingPong.de
Subject: ISO-8859-1 stuff
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:03:17 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

sometimes, I get mail with a From: address like this:

From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_=B4BuDDaH=B4_Tichai?=" <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

..

(his email address has been replaced...)

Messenger does not know about MIME encoded From: lines yet, does it?
(It really shows that =?ISO-8859... instead of "Markus Tichai")
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat


#! rmail 997
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:07:28 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: ISO-8859-1 stuff
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:06:31 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:

> Messenger does not know about MIME encoded From: lines yet, does it?

The current beta does, but not the release version.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 935
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:05:46 +0000
Organization: http://www.PingPong.de
Subject: mailto:[e-mail]?subject=Subject
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:48:36 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

Messenger (my version is 1.34c) does not yet support mailto:-links
with a pre-set subject (mailto:[e-mail]?subject=bla%20bla)
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat


#! rmail 896
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:55:21 +0000
Organization: http://www.PingPong.de
Subject: Forward without attachments
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:50:33 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

When forwarding a mail with MIME attached files, Messenger just forwards
the mail, not the attachments.
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat


#! rmail 1366
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:00:15 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: New mail
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:37:36 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

If I get new mail and a window opens You got new mail and I press Read, why
is the mailer window not opened when newsbase is allready started?
TIA

--
 _      _                        ___                 ___
|_)irk |_)                        |                   |   |\ |
       |_)ollema                  |ilburg             |he | \|etherlands
========================================================================
=\              [e-mail] - [e-mail]              /=
==\                                     /==
===\           Homepage http://www.dott.demon.nl/            /===
====\         Acorn RiscPC, StrongARM @202MHz - Intel Outside       /====
========================================================================
.. Documentation is for people who can't read.


#! rmail 1570
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hudson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:12:10 +0000
Organization: Kotipu Place Observatory
Subject: Message bounce?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:09:25 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

[ ref Messenger 1.34c ]

Is the bounce function working as it should? I assume that bounce should
resend a message unaltered to a new address. When I tried it the destination
address (in the mail header) remained as it was originally despite, oddly
enough, the mail queue showing the new address. As an aside, the bounce dbox
doesn't move if you try drag its title bar.

I wonder if it would be possible to have, in addition to bounce, a simple
resend option. So, for example, if you sent a mail and it didn't arrive for
some reason (or smtp chewed it up) you could simply select it from the
outgoing mail and resend it. This could be done with bounce (if it worked!)
but a re-entry of the address is required.

--
Rick Hudson                                                [e-mail]
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/rickh                       [e-mail]
                                       No large e-mail to Actrix! (use Clear)


#! rmail 1329
From: [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:30:30 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Message bounce?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from Rick Hudson on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 08:12:10AM +0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:23:32 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

Rick Hudson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Is the bounce function working as it should? I assume that bounce should
> resend a message unaltered to a new address. When I tried it the destination
> address (in the mail header) remained as it was originally despite, oddly
> enough, the mail queue showing the new address.

Sounds exactly correct to me. 'Bounce' should leave the message *and headers*
exactly the same as they arrived, set the *envelope* address to the new
recipient, and send.

Cheers


Jon
--
____
\  //    Jon Ribbens    // 100MB virtual-hosted // www.oaktree.co.uk
 \// [e-mail] //  web space for 99UKP //

#! rmail 1403
From: [e-mail] (Reiner Schulz)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:25:32 +0000
Organization:
Subject: PGP-Attachments
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:54:04 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

Hi,

in another mailing list I found another form of PGP-Signature which is
not recognised by Messenger.

In the Header is a line:
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature";
        micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=n7cH1Com+I3R9JHW

The PGP signature itself is then:

--n7cH1Com+I3R9JHW
Content-Type: application/pgp-signature

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.3i

iQCVAwUBNQ5mY78P97JksinNAQH4DAP/fmAiYIAYSq5YRotz7CyMrHbkeSwD0o6n
wtinBIPF6t6efP9vP4H+0MAqEXegibTYvh6DJDiR1d7YX4RjmKV1dq9sYaheMaI0
sqzUcMp7Mv0lZw0RDlHpb7iySdCa8a7TTz23yPt5WN7BHBPJIlcNev6qbx2Z0+uE
pUH9x3kLwQU=
=hJis
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--n7cH1Com+I3R9JHW--

Bye Reiner
--
Reiner Schulz,                      German Archimedes Group
[e-mail]               Take a look at HTTP://www.gag.de

#! rmail 1287
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:31:50 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: PGP-Attachments
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:27:10 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Reiner Schulz) wrote:

> in another mailing list I found another form of PGP-Signature which is
> not recognised by Messenger.

...because it's a MIME multipart message.  Messenger doesn't currently
support the simultaneous use of MIME and PGP, so for now you'll have to
verify these kinds of messages manually.

Support is planned for the RFC-documented technique of using MIME and PGP
together, but I want to clean up the existing code first.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1052
From: [e-mail] (Steve Holroyd)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:45:23 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Forward without attachments
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:33:57 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:

> When forwarding a mail with MIME attached files, Messenger just forwards
> the mail, not the attachments.

I'm afraid that seems to be rather standard behaviour. Marcel does the same.

It's a shame that it could not be made an option....Mark?

--
Steve Holroyd


#! rmail 1791
From: [e-mail] (Rick Hudson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:09:19 +0000
Organization: Kotipu Place Observatory
Subject: Re: Message bounce?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:40:57 +1200
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens) wrote:

> Rick Hudson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Is the bounce function working as it should? I assume that bounce should
>> resend a message unaltered to a new address. When I tried it the
>> destination address (in the mail header) remained as it was originally
>> despite, oddly enough, the mail queue showing the new address.
>
> Sounds exactly correct to me. 'Bounce' should leave the message *and
> headers* exactly the same as they arrived, set the *envelope* address to
> the new recipient, and send.

Ok, I didn't realise that. I thought the mail header had a direct bearing on
where the mail went but apparantly not until the mail server has sent it. It
just makes checking the outgoing mail confusing when there's no evidence of
where of where it was bounced. :-\

--
Rick Hudson                                                [e-mail]
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/rickh                       [e-mail]
                                       No large e-mail to Actrix! (use Clear)


#! rmail 1133
From: [e-mail] (Jack Risos)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:45:33 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: ColourDBox message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:34:36 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

I have Messenger version 1.11 and it seems to work fine.
In trying to upgrade past version 1.11 I get an error message saying that I need ColourDBox version 0.15 or greater.  I have this, and have downloaded the latest toolbox just to make sure.

It is sitting here:
ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.Modules.Toolbox.ColourDbox

I have upgraded several months ago to system 3.6, and I've got another copy here:
ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.360.Modules.Toolbox.ColourDbox

Am I doing something wrong?  Any ideas?

Cheers

--
Jack Risos   [e-mail]


#! rmail 2191
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:23:50 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Message bounce?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.36a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:02:32 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens) wrote:

> Rick Hudson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Is the bounce function working as it should? I assume that bounce should
>> resend a message unaltered to a new address. When I tried it the
>> destination address (in the mail header) remained as it was originally
>> despite, oddly enough, the mail queue showing the new address.

> Sounds exactly correct to me. 'Bounce' should leave the message *and
> headers* exactly the same as they arrived, set the *envelope* address to
> the new recipient, and send.

I see a problem with this:

sendmail -t -oi

which is what I use (with 'here' files) to actually send mail.

I /could/ (and probably should) alter my transport to read the info file,
helpfully supplied by Newsbase, and place the addresses in the script, as
parameters to sendmail...

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | nr Ashington, Northumberland
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | Season ticket | free mail, news
|   ZapEmail. ZapDS. MakeExtern.

Hindsight is an exact science.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.3ia
Charset: noconv

iQCVAwUBNRHBL247uRCqW5khAQFq0QQApfrD1VTK6/Y76yzUCwpcXM3+i37gXdS9
ptwGCZcX1gHPW5b2SU234ri8vTCAhIg/aYcaEJgLjisNmBAlHjCAkl62h5SxrkOf
cMaf7Wx11BemqJhBhElcQLRDv2EhY5/H6kfyNiaAJU03evmtzxd7tg4Ng6WhgnQ7
8UFkAMppJfI=
=Ywjy
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


#! rmail 2136
From: [e-mail] (Stewart Brodie)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:32:20 +0000
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd.
Subject: Re: ColourDBox message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:10:41 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jack Risos) wrote:

> I have Messenger version 1.11 and it seems to work fine.
> In trying to upgrade past version 1.11 I get an error message saying that I
> need ColourDBox version 0.15 or greater.  I have this, and have downloaded
> the latest toolbox just to make sure.
>
> It is sitting here:
> ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.Modules.Toolbox.ColourDbox

Ideally, there should be nothing at all inside !System.Modules.

> I have upgraded several months ago to system 3.6, and I've got another copy
> here:
> ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.360.Modules.Toolbox.ColourDbox

This is the version that it being found because it is in a higher priority
directory than !System.Modules.  It shouldn't be in 360.Modules either - it
should be in !System.310.Modules.Toolbox.

Basically, as far as the toolbox goes the situation at the moment is:

All the Toolbox modules sit inside the !System.310.Modules.Toolbox directory
and nowhere else.

You should move the latest versions of the modules into there and delete all
the others.  I recommend you back up the entire of !System before you start
messing around with this though, just in case something goes wrong.

--
Stewart Brodie, Software Engineer, Future Technologies Group
Acorn Computers Ltd
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road
Cambridge, CB5 8PB, United Kingdom            WWW: http://www.acorn.com/


#! rmail 860
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:20:21 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: POPstar 1.03
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:24:47 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

This is a courtesy copy of a newsgroup posting.

Anyone using POPstar should upgrade to version 1.03 ASAP because I only
just remembered I was supposed to pay special attention to lines
beginning with . :-/.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1116
From: [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:35:21 +0000
Organization: http://www.PingPong.de
Subject: Posting new article to mailing lists, easier?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:30:57 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

Please implement a button in the Messenger Newsreader window to post
articles to mailing lists. This is useful if the Newsreader should only
show me folders with unread articles, and the mailing list I am writing
to does not contain unread mail. Perhaps by clicking ADJUST on the
"Post news article" icon?
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat


#! rmail 1496
From: [e-mail] (Reiner Schulz)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:15:28 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Posting new article to mailing lists, easier?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:40:38 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:

> Please implement a button in the Messenger Newsreader window to post
> articles to mailing lists. This is useful if the Newsreader should
only
> show me folders with unread articles, and the mailing list I am
writing
> to does not contain unread mail. Perhaps by clicking ADJUST on the
> "Post news article" icon?

If you click with Shift-Adjust on the Messenger icon the Post News
window is opened. But the mailing lists are not listed in the
newsgroups menu.
May be the most logic way would be to include the mailing lists into
this menu.

Tschuess Reiner
--
Reiner Schulz,                      German Archimedes Group
[e-mail]               Take a look at HTTP://www.gag.de

#! rmail 1142
From: [e-mail] (Alex Bach Andersen)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:00:35 +0000
Organization: Many mostly music
Subject: Re: Posting new article to mailing lists, easier?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:23:54 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

This is a courtesy copy of a newsgroup posting.

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Reiner Schulz) wrote:

>
> If you click with Shift-Adjust on the Messenger icon the Post News
> window is opened. But the mailing lists are not listed in the
> newsgroups menu.

Sorry I just had to try that one :)

regards
--
Alex Bach Andersen, free-lance conductor  UIN:8285066
NodeSats/MusicTypesetting - Acorn RISC PC 600 - unARMed
Copenhagen, Denmark http://home6.inet.tele.dk/alexbach/
... One way to better your lot is to do a lot better...


#! rmail 1800
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:25:16 +0000
Organization: None
Subject: Re: Posting new article to mailing lists, easier?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:21:10 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Please implement a button in the Messenger Newsreader window to post
> articles to mailing lists. This is useful if the Newsreader should only
> show me folders with unread articles, and the mailing list I am writing
> to does not contain unread mail. Perhaps by clicking ADJUST on the
> "Post news article" icon?
It's also possible to add the mailinglists to your personal address book,
wouldn't it.

--
 _      _                        ___                 ___
|_)irk |_)                        |                   |   |\ |
       |_)ollema                  |ilburg             |he | \|etherlands
========================================================================
=\              [e-mail] - [e-mail]              /=
==\                                     /==
===\           Homepage http://www.dott.demon.nl/            /===
====\         Acorn RiscPC, StrongARM @202MHz - Intel Outside       /====
========================================================================
.. Insanity doesn't just run in my family; it practically gallops


#! rmail 1420
From: [e-mail] (Brian Howlett)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:25:15 +0000
Organization: Not very, actually
Subject: Disappearing Message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 02:52:34 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

I was just composing a message to another list, when I used Messenger's
icon-bar menu to log in a different user, in order to check something in
a newsgroup I subscribe to under a different user name.

As I clicked on the other ID, the message I was editing disappeared into
the ether, never to be seen again. I could not find it anywhere in Scrap,
although it is too late (early?) in the morning to go searching through
the various places within Acornet wherein it might lurk...

It is possibly a Zap or Newsbase problem, but I would appreciate any
comments. It could be that there is a manual item saying "Do not change
users while editing a message" or something, but I haven't seen it...8^)
--
Brian Howlett
-------------------------------------
This .sig intentionally left blank...


#! rmail 1339
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:28:42 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Disappearing Message
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:26:32 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Brian Howlett) wrote:

> I was just composing a message to another list, when I used Messenger's
> icon-bar menu to log in a different user, in order to check something in
> a newsgroup I subscribe to under a different user name.
>
> As I clicked on the other ID, the message I was editing disappeared into
> the ether, never to be seen again.

The next release will ask you to confirm your intentions if you attempt to
switch to another user, or quit, when an edit session is active.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1044
From: [e-mail] (David Thomson)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:15:20 +0000
Organization: University of Glasgow Dial-In Service
Subject: Display menu/sorting problems
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34a for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:16:38 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

When I have messages open, their status icons change into a cream colour, and
the thread opens, as appropriate.

If I then change the sorting order of the group display window, or use the
display menu to alter which messages are shown, the open threads are closed
and any status icon colouring is lost.

--
David Thomson
[e-mail]

.. mental, mental, chicken oriental.

#! rmail 1185
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:19:54 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Display menu/sorting problems
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:16:03 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (David Thomson) wrote:

> If I then change the sorting order of the group display window, or use the
> display menu to alter which messages are shown, the open threads are closed
> and any status icon colouring is lost.

This has been fixed in the current beta and will be incorporated in v1.40,
possibly due next week.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1598
From: [e-mail] (Fred Bambrough)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:00:19 +0000
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Posting new article to mailing lists, easier?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:25:52 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Reiner Schulz) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:
>
> > Please implement a button in the Messenger Newsreader window to post
> > articles to mailing lists. This is useful if the Newsreader should
> only
> > show me folders with unread articles, and the mailing list I am
> writing
> > to does not contain unread mail. Perhaps by clicking ADJUST on the
> > "Post news article" icon?
>
> If you click with Shift-Adjust on the Messenger icon the Post News
> window is opened. But the mailing lists are not listed in the
> newsgroups menu.
> May be the most logic way would be to include the mailing lists into
> this menu.

They're in the send mail menu, Shift-Select.

--
Fred
Mailto:[e-mail]
PGP key available

#! rmail 2070
From: [e-mail] (Darren Salt)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:18:00 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: Posting new article to mailing lists, easier?
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.37 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:27:26 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Christian Kohlschuetter) wrote:

> Please implement a button in the Messenger Newsreader window to post
> articles to mailing lists. This is useful if the Newsreader should only
> show me folders with unread articles, and the mailing list I am writing to
> does not contain unread mail. Perhaps by clicking ADJUST on the "Post news
> article" icon?

I'd sooner see the following (not that there's anything wrong with your
suggestion): if one newsgroup or mailing list is selected, a click on the
'post news' icon will open the appropriate dbox with the group/list name
already filled in, and the caret placed in the 'Subject' box.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master
|   BMPSprite. DrawMerge. DrawShape.

Tomorrow will be cancelled due to lack of interest.

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#! rmail 1094
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Duddington)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:00:37 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: mailto:[e-mail]?subject=Subject
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:09:09 +0000 (GMT)
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

On 18 Mar, Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Messenger (my version is 1.34c) does not yet support mailto:-links
> with a pre-set subject (mailto:[e-mail]?subject=bla%20bla)

Where is this standard defined?

--
 Pluto, a new News/Mail Reader and Text Database
     for ANT, Voyager, Termite, NewsHound
 Available from:    http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jsd/
 Jon Duddington     Coventry, England.


#! rmail 1274
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:21:47 +0000
Organization:
Subject: Re: mailto:[e-mail]?subject=Subject
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:04:19 +0000
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jonathan Duddington) wrote:

> On 18 Mar, Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Messenger (my version is 1.34c) does not yet support mailto:-links
> > with a pre-set subject (mailto:[e-mail]?subject=bla%20bla)
>
> Where is this standard defined?

It's not a standard, only an Internet Draft.  There's a copy at
ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/doc/internet-drafts/draft-hoffman-mailto-url-04.txt

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1631
From: [e-mail] (Robert James Munro)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:00:35 +0100
Organization: Cauzality
Subject: Re: PGP-Attachments
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:11:51 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Reiner Schulz) wrote:
>
> > in another mailing list I found another form of PGP-Signature which is
> > not recognised by Messenger.
>
> ...because it's a MIME multipart message.  Messenger doesn't currently
> support the simultaneous use of MIME and PGP, so for now you'll have to
> verify these kinds of messages manually.
>
> Support is planned for the RFC-documented technique of using MIME and PGP
> together, but I want to clean up the existing code first.

Is that the same as S/MIME? - as used in Netscape and others mail software?
If not, what other software is it suported by?

Thanks,

Robert Munro
--
e-mail:   [e-mail]     or     [e-mail]
       * See http://www.viva.org/ for how christians are *
       *    helping Children at Risk around the world    *

#! rmail 1486
From: [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:15:23 +0100
Organization:
Subject: Re: PGP-Attachments
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from Robert James Munro on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 05:00:35PM +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature";
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:10:40 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g


--sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Robert James Munro <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Is that the same as S/MIME? - as used in Netscape and others mail softwar=
e?

No.

> If not, what other software is it suported by?

Mutt!

Cheers


Jon
--=20
____
\  //    Jon Ribbens    //
 \// [e-mail] //

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#! rmail 1352
From: [e-mail] (Mark Sawle)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:38:54 +0100
Organization:
Subject: Re: PGP-Attachments
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:35:23 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Jon Ribbens) wrote:

> Robert James Munro <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Is that the same as S/MIME? - as used in Netscape and others mail
> > software?
>
> No.
>
> > If not, what other software is it suported by?
>
> Mutt!

Just in case anybody thinks there's a bug in Messenger because it can't
display this (unless you choose the Display=>Whole option), there isn't.
It was MailList that messed up here, in not preserving the MIME headers
properly.  Time for a bit more MailList hacking I think...

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]
#! rmail 1244
From: [e-mail] (Simon Callan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:41:58 +0100
Organization: My Toy
Subject: user aliases
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:50:56 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

Would it be possible to have some sort of 'user alias' system?

Currently, I have 3 users set up under messenger (simon, gcc and
unixlib). I mostly use the simon user, but occasionally I use the other
2 users to reply to mail and news.

Since these users have different newsrc files, it can be very difficult
to locate the article that you are trying to reply to.

What I would like to do is to write message as if I were gcc or unixlib,
but while still logged in as simon. Also, since I am using RemoteNB to
access an Imapd server, I would prefer messenger to remain logged into
RemoteNB as simon.

Is this possible to implement?

Simon


#! rmail 1195
From: [e-mail] (Tony Houghton)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:06:51 +0100
Organization:
Subject: Tab key shortcut
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:31:07 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g

I'm left-handed so I've added key shortcuts to make Tab and Shift-Tab
move to next message and previous message respectively; it's a lot more
comfortable and convenient than the arrow keys for me. Any chance of
this making it into the release version? It's about time computer stuff
started taking left-handed people into account. Just think of all those
narrow-minded pointing device and portable mfrs who could increase their
markets by 15%.

--
  \_________________
                    \  http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~tonyh/
   The Curling Pages \ The home of WinEd, Bombz and NewsFind for RISC OS

#! rmail 1108
From: [e-mail] (Samuel Penn)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:37:57 +0100
Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot
Subject: Multiple Signatures
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS
Precedence: bulk
X-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:24:56 +0100
X-MailList: MailList v0.17 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS
X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g


Is it possible to configure Messenger to use different signatures
depending on where a message is being sent?

I'm talking about automatically using one signature if sending
to newsgroup A, a different signature for newsgroup B, another
one for emailing certain people - that sort of thing.

If not, is it a viable future option?

--
Be seeing you,                         http://www.bifrost.demon.co.uk/
Sam.                                   ----- Roleplaying and Wargaming

#! rmail 1381
From: [e-mail] (Samuel Penn)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:38:07 +0100
Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot
Subject: Re: user aliases
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:

> What I would like to do is to write message as if I were gcc or unixlib,
> but while still logged in as simon. Also, since I am using RemoteNB to
> access an Imapd server, I would prefer messenger to remain logged into
> RemoteNB as simon.
>
> Is this possible to implement?

How about just changing the 'from' and 'reply-to' fields when
editing the message? Not as nice as actually having a popup
menu to select from, but it should work.


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Sam.                                   ----- Roleplaying and Wargaming

#! rmail 1507
From: [e-mail] (Bob de Jong)
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:00:07 +0100
Organization: Home
Subject: Re: Multiple Signatures
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>
>Is it possible to configure Messenger to use different signatures
>depending on where a message is being sent?
>
>I'm talking about automatically using one signature if sending
>to newsgroup A, a different signature for newsgroup B, another
>one for emailing certain people - that sort of thing.
>
>If not, is it a viable future option?
>
ZapEmail allows you to cycle through several different sigs - I use a
different one for mail & news and have a third with just 'Bob'. Using Buttons
you only have to click a couple of times to get the required sig.

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#! rmail 1511
From: [e-mail] (Simon Callan)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 23:00:17 +0100
Organization: My Toy
Subject: Re: user aliases
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] (Simon Callan) wrote:
>
> > What I would like to do is to write message as if I were gcc or unixlib,
> > but while still logged in as simon. Also, since I am using RemoteNB to
> > access an Imapd server, I would prefer messenger to remain logged into
> > RemoteNB as simon.
> >
> > Is this possible to implement?
>
> How about just changing the 'from' and 'reply-to' fields when
> editing the message? Not as nice as actually having a popup
> menu to select from, but it should work.

I suppose that it is possible, but I generally don't have header editing
enabled, it's more effort, I'm quite likely to get it wrong, I'm less
likely to remember, and anyway, I didn't think of it.

Simon


#! rmail 1965
From: [e-mail] (Samuel Penn)
Sender: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:12:14 +0100
Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot
Subject: Re: Multiple Signatures
To: Subscribers to the mailing-list MESSENGER-L <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Bob de Jong) wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> >
> >Is it possible to configure Messenger to use different signatures
> >depending on where a message is being sent?
> >

> ZapEmail allows you to cycle through several different sigs - I use a
> different one for mail & news and have a third with just 'Bob'. Using Buttons
> you only have to click a couple of times to get the required sig.

Just downloaded a new version of !Zap (1.39 beta 10), which does
seem to have all the features I want - i.e. you can set up mappings
for different newsgroups and recipients to use certain signatures.

Thanks for the suggestion. But...

Has anyone tried using this though? If I send mail, it uses the
default news signature, and if I send news, it uses the default
mail signature. In either case, it ignores all my mappings.

Strangely, if I swap around the ~MTo and ~Map files, it uses the
right defaults, but still ignores the mappings.

So, is it user error (likely), a Zap problem or a Messenger problem?


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:09:35 +0100
From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
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The Messenger mailing lists are now being run using Majordomo.  Since the
header format used by Majordomo is different, this will probably mess up
any filters you have set up.

The new recommended way to filter the Messenger lists is on the Sender
field, which will contain one of the following:

  [e-mail] (messenger-l)
  [e-mail]  (msgrbinary)
  [e-mail]   (msgr-beta - beta testers only)

The list submission addresses are unchanged, but requests to subscribe and
unsubscribe should now be sent to [e-mail] with
commands in the *body* of the message, rather than the subject.

For the time being, any requests sent to [e-mail] will
be forwarded to me and dealt with manually, and thus will continue to
work.

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:21:58 +0100
From: Philip Powell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Multiple Signatures
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In message <[e-mail]>
          [e-mail] (Bob de Jong) wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
>>
>>Is it possible to configure Messenger to use different signatures
>>depending on where a message is being sent?
>>
>>I'm talking about automatically using one signature if sending
>>to newsgroup A, a different signature for newsgroup B, another
>>one for emailing certain people - that sort of thing.
>>
>>If not, is it a viable future option?
>>

That's exactly what I've been wanting!

>ZapEmail allows you to cycle through several different sigs - I use a
>different one for mail & news and have a third with just 'Bob'. Using Buttons
>you only have to click a couple of times to get the required sig.
>
.and thanks to Bob for that tip. I'd looked at Zap a couple of times
before and found it for too complicated whereas StrongEd seemd a
doddle. However, I downloaded the latest version and associated bits
and this time everything made so much more sense that I am now happy
to use either.

Cheers
--
Philip Powell
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to the Cheviot
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:21:29 +0100
From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
  Samuel Penn <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]
> Has anyone tried using [ZapEmail's multiple .sigs facility] though?

I use it all the time :-)

> If I send mail, it uses the default news signature, and if I send news, it
> uses the default mail signature. In either case, it ignores all my
> mappings.

Interesting...

> Strangely, if I swap around the ~MTo and ~Map files, it uses the right
> defaults, but still ignores the mappings.

Even more interesting...

> So, is it user error (likely), a Zap problem or a Messenger problem?

It can't be a Messenger problem; it could be a user error or a ZapEmail
problem. I need to see the files in question in order to say for certain
which...

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From: iain truskett <[e-mail]>
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Hallo all,

When using RO3.6, the Acorn stack (from clan CD), Newsbase (latest version
from Web), Messenger 1.34c and Zap 1.39b10, when you click on 'Edit' in
the 'Send Message' window, the Zap window opens (in 'email' mode), the
Messenger send window jumps to the front, and a second later the machine
simply hangs.

Is there are fix to this?

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:03:19 +0100
From: Steve Lee <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tab key shortcut
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> I'm left-handed so I've added key shortcuts to make Tab and Shift-Tab
> move to next message and previous message respectively; it's a lot more
> comfortable and convenient than the arrow keys for me.

Interesting - as I read this message I was busy flicking through the group
with my left hand tapping the arrow keys.

Not that I'm left handed though - my right hand was firmly over the mouse;
I use the mouse for changing threads/groups/etc. and the left for
scrolling up/down the articles and doing next/prev. Assuming that you use
the mouse with your left hand, this technique should be even better
suited to you, as your right hand is nearer the arrow keys than my left.

Alternatively, you _do_ know about the space bar don't you?

--
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From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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Beware uucode attachments generated by GMail. They'll appear twice because of
the part header's claim of base64 and the use of uucode; of each pair, the
right-hand one is the one to use, the left-hand one producing a load of
rubbish.

Example (taken from zap-devel):

" --.sEpEr.gmail-v1.30.3253f5f3.16648.2
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(Justin is being informed of this.)

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From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Saving several messages...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Works fine, apart from a lack of blank line or other suitable separator
between the messages...

(This certainly happens with 1.38; I'm assuming that this is so with the
release version too.)

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | nr Ashington, Northumberland
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | Season ticket | free mail, news
|   ZapEmail. ZapDS. MakeExtern.

Meditation is not what you think.

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From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Changes to the mailing lists
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
  Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

> The Messenger mailing lists are now being run using Majordomo.  Since the
> header format used by Majordomo is different, this will probably mess up
> any filters you have set up.

> The new recommended way to filter the Messenger lists is on the Sender
> field, which will contain one of the following:

>   [e-mail] (messenger-l)
>   [e-mail]  (msgrbinary)
>   [e-mail]   (msgr-beta - beta testers only)

Hmm. Certainly in the case of this list, filtering on To: works. I'm using
"*[e-mail]*", though I think I can get away with not
using the asterisks :-)

I'll find out about the other two as and when, but it seems likely that
checking the To field for the above (less "owner-") should work.


BTW, look at the .sig if you have automatic PGP signature checking enabled...

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | 01268 515441    | Toon Army     | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | free mail, news | Season ticket | BBC Master
|   PGP key: finger cku157@uk,ac,unn,lion

A man with one watch knows what time it is; a man with two is never sure.

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:33:44 +0100
From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
To: messenger-l
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Darren Salt <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hmm. Certainly in the case of this list, filtering on To: works. I'm
> using "*[e-mail]*", though I think I can get away
> with not using the asterisks :-)

This will work in most cases, although bear in mind that the list address
may not necessarily be specified in the To field, or even in the header at
all if it was BCC'd.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
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(Posted to both messenger-l and zap-devel. I believe this to be of interest
in both lists; some will see this twice as a result.)

It's just come to my attention that there's a silly error here :-}

The examples in the "Configuring signature files" section should read as
follows:

wibble@here    .wibble1
wibble@there    .wibble2

comp.sys.acorn.        .csa
comp.sys.sinclair    .css


The difference between the erroneous examples and the above correct versions
is that there are leading dots before the signature filenames. Not including
them may cause mappings problems, eg. use of the wrong default file.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | Toon Army     | 01268 515441
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | Season ticket | free mail, news
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | nr Ashington, Northumberland
|   I don't ask for much, just untold riches...

I would if I could but I can't but I might if I find I can later.

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Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:06:07 +0100
From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: PGP-signing for binaries?
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It just occurred to me that we could selectively sign binaries, using
application/pgp-signature in either multipart/signed (if it's to be verified
early) or multipart/mixed (if we want to allow extraction of the signature -
in which case it should be named).

BTW, what exactly does the signature in an application/pgp-signature block
cover? Is it just a simple concatenation of the other blocks (including
their headers)? (RFCs inaccessible ATM)

(Any chance of Messenger using PGPPASS if it's defined?)

- --
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | Acorn Risc PC, | nr Ashington, Northumberland
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | A3010, Spec+3, | 01268 515441    | Toon Army
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | BBC Master     | free mail, news | Season ticket
|   JSW. Bug. CTetris. Mindtrap. KPatience. SnakePit.

Do not attempt to write on both sides of the paper at once.

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From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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In message <Pine.SOL.3.95.980407114828.12493A-100000@iwaki>
  iain truskett <[e-mail]> wrote:

> When using RO3.6, the Acorn stack (from clan CD), Newsbase (latest version
> from Web), Messenger 1.34c and Zap 1.39b10, when you click on 'Edit' in the
> 'Send Message' window, the Zap window opens (in 'email' mode), the
> Messenger send window jumps to the front, and a second later the machine
> simply hangs.

> Is there a fix to this?

The only thing that I can think of which might cause this sort of thing is
ZapOLE. If this is installed, DELETE IT and quit and rerun Zap.

--
| Darren Salt     anti-UCE | nr Ashington, Northumberland    | Acorn Risc PC,
| arcsalt@spuddy,mew,co,uk | Toon Army     | 01268 515441    | A3010, Spec+3,
| darren,salt@unn,ac,uk    | Season ticket | free mail, news | BBC Master
|   ChrEd. AppSquash. BlockSize. Decoders. FontMsgs.

10 WHILE TRUE:PRINT "Hello world!":ENDWHILE

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:14:43 +0100
From: Bert Zwemstra <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: can not make overview file
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Hello
I am using messenger 1.33
I get the message overview file is corrupt
Is there a maximum at the inbox amount of files
How can I solve this problem  ?
thanks
Bert Zwemstra



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To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: can not make overview file
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Bert wrote:

> Hello
> I am using messenger 1.33
> I get the message overview file is corrupt
> Is there a maximum at the inbox amount of files
> How can I solve this problem  ?
> thanks
> Bert Zwemstra

I regularly get this error after deleting several hundred messages.
(This is with the latest Messanger/Newsbase/ANT).
I just go into the directory in !Newsdir.news... and delete the corrupt file.
It is recreated when needed, and is then OK (until I delete some more!)

It only seems to happen when I delete a lot of articles.
(I was recently away for 3 weeks, and when I got back had to delete about
2000 articles in each of the c.s.a groups)


Message to the developers:
Please can you implement a 'Delete and go on to next' icon/keystroke!
As soon as I've read something I usually want to delete it, not keep it.
At the moment I have to read through a group, then select all, then delete.

--
Mike Gregory @ work


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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:22:32 +0100
From: Willie Stott <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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I use Messenger v1.34c, NewsHound v1.28 & Newsbase v0.60g.

Onegroup, to which I subscribe  (rec.video.desktop) has suddenly
started giving all the messages as read.
I can of course still read them, but am at a loss as to why this should
suddenly happen.
I've checked all filtering etc and would appreciate some guidance.

Cheers

Willie
--

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From: Mike <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: can not make overview file
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In message <5060100017547658000002L082*@MHS>
          Mike Gregory <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Bert wrote:
>
> > Hello
> > I am using messenger 1.33
> > I get the message overview file is corrupt
> > Is there a maximum at the inbox amount of files
> > How can I solve this problem  ?
> > thanks
> > Bert Zwemstra
>
> I regularly get this error after deleting several hundred messages.
> (This is with the latest Messanger/Newsbase/ANT).
> I just go into the directory in !Newsdir.news... and delete the corrupt file.
> It is recreated when needed, and is then OK (until I delete some more!)
>
> It only seems to happen when I delete a lot of articles.
> (I was recently away for 3 weeks, and when I got back had to delete about
> 2000 articles in each of the c.s.a groups)
>
An easier solution I have found is to open Newsbase' Mail & news storage
dialoge box from the control panel (adjust click on the icon bar icon).

Select the group whose overview file is corrupt using the menu icon at the
top then click on Index.

Hope this helps.


--
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 / /|/| |/ _ `/| |/ / __\/ __/ /  __/  '_/
/_/   |_|\_,_/ |___/\___/_/ /_/\___/_/\_\

I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure now

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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:28:33 +0100
From: Joseph Heenan <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Catchup & Crossposted articles
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Organization: Home
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When you use the 'Catchup' menu option from a newsgroup window,
Messenger doesn't seem to mark any crossposted articles as read in
the other groups. Is this deliberate behaviour? (The manual doesn't
make any inference as to what should happen in this case)

Cheers,

Joseph

--
Joseph Heenan, Coventry, UK

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I have been sent a forwarded message as a part of a mime mesage
(Content-Type: message/rfc822) which in turn was a mime message.
I  couldn find a way of decoding this second message, apart from
hacking newsbase's copy of the message.

It would be nice if Messenger provides a way of reading the embeded
message.   One way of doing this might be to put a message icon
in the attachment bar at the bottom, which if clicked passed the
embedded message to the appropriate application, which is of couse
Messenger which would open the message and display the parts as
if it had come from Newsbase.
Unless I have missed something.

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          Joseph Heenan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> When you use the 'Catchup' menu option from a newsgroup window,
> Messenger doesn't seem to mark any crossposted articles as read in
> the other groups. Is this deliberate behaviour? (The manual doesn't
> make any inference as to what should happen in this case)

IIRC None of the newsreaders I have used (not a large sample I admit)
mark other groups.   I suspect this is for implementation convenience
as much as anything else.

I am not sure I would want it anyway.  If you only skim one group
then catchup, you might mark as read an article in a group you
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Would it be possible for messenger to (configurably) restrict the
file names send with outgoing attachments to 8+3 format.
This is because users of machines of a different OS platform get
flumoxed if the filename doesnt match the preconceptions of that
OS.

My preference would be
 a.  The extension is set according to file type (ie DOSMAP in reverse
     so JPEG -> .JPG and so on)
 b.  The user can change the name if he requires

If a. is felt to be too complex then b. would be enough.

Thanks
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From: Tom Hughes <[e-mail]>
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          Andrew Black <[e-mail]> wrote:

> It would be nice if Messenger provides a way of reading the embeded
> message.   One way of doing this might be to put a message icon
> in the attachment bar at the bottom, which if clicked passed the
> embedded message to the appropriate application, which is of couse
> Messenger which would open the message and display the parts as
> if it had come from Newsbase.

I seem to recall suggesting exactly that when the MIME stuff
was first in beta ;-) Along with forwarding as a message/rfc822
attachement.

Tom

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From: Rick Hudson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Return receipt?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Would it be possible to add a return-receipt check-box to the others found on
the send mail dbox? I know Zap Email can enable it relatively easily (well,
very easily using the button box) but it seems like the kind of basic feature
the mailer itself should handle. I can even remember the early versions of
TTFN having it. :-)

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Andrew Black <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Would it be possible for messenger to (configurably) restrict the
> file names send with outgoing attachments to 8+3 format.
> This is because users of machines of a different OS platform get
> flumoxed if the filename doesnt match the preconceptions of that
> OS.
>
> My preference would be
>  a.  The extension is set according to file type (ie DOSMAP in reverse
>      so JPEG -> .JPG and so on)
>  b.  The user can change the name if he requires
>
> If a. is felt to be too complex then b. would be enough.

You can configure Attacher to add an extension if you use that for the
coding.

As to restricting to 8+3 that is surely old hat as Windows 95 allows longer
file names.

John.

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From: Tom Hughes <[e-mail]>
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In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
          Rick Hudson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Would it be possible to add a return-receipt check-box to the others found on
> the send mail dbox? I know Zap Email can enable it relatively easily (well,
> very easily using the button box) but it seems like the kind of basic feature
> the mailer itself should handle. I can even remember the early versions of
> TTFN having it. :-)

Yes but it's pointless as Return-Receipt is completely non-standard
and less and less systems generate receipts when they see it.

Tom

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From: David Hobson <[e-mail]>
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Rick Hudson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> very easily using the button box) but it seems like the kind of basic feature
> the mailer itself should handle. I can even remember the early versions of
> TTFN having it. :-)

We're going to get into 'mailers don't support it' or 'its the transports
responsibility' debates again, I can see it now...

David

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From: Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Tom Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
>           Rick Hudson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Would it be possible to add a return-receipt check-box to the others found on
> > the send mail dbox? I know Zap Email can enable it relatively easily (well,

> Yes but it's pointless as Return-Receipt is completely non-standard
> and less and less systems generate receipts when they see it.

hm, Acorn computers are non-standard, too...

Say: Why would it not be possible to add this option. A warning could
appear telling the user that it is non-standard. By the way, Newsbase
supports Return-Receipt-To...

Pegasus-Mail, for example, is even worse, it supports X-Confirm-Reading
(or something), meaning that an e-mail is sent when the user really
*reads* the message!
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From: Malcolm Boura <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          John Allen <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>>>>
> As to restricting to 8+3 that is surely old hat as Windows 95 allows longer
> file names.

Not in schools it's not. Value for money doesn't come into it. RAM etc
may be cheap but if we haven't got any money, then nothing gets
upgraded. Our student PC's are entirely Windows 3.1 and likely to stay
that way for many years yet. This is probably repeated in most schools
in the UK and I believe the position is similar in the health service.

I wonder if the head and governors have realised yet that PC's may be
cheaper to buy than Acorns, but are obsolete in about 1/5 the time and
take 6 times as much maintenance?

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Malcolm Boura <[e-mail]> wrote:

[snip]
> I wonder if the head and governors have realised yet that PC's may be
> cheaper to buy than Acorns, but are obsolete in about 1/5 the time and
> take 6 times as much maintenance?

Without -really- wanting to get into this on this mailing list, since
it's not the place...

We're nailing that home at work by keeping careful track of the number
of hours spent maintaining the different platforms. We've two rooms full
of Acorns compared to about 4 `PC's around. Acorn:PC = 10:1 or so in
terms of machines; Acorn:PC = 1:100 or so in terms of hours spent.
(Ignoring `common' things such as setting up applications on the NT
 server)

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From: Ruth Gunstone <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Christian Kohlschuetter <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Tom Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote:
[snip]
>
> Say: Why would it not be possible to add this option. A warning could
> appear telling the user that it is non-standard. By the way, Newsbase
> supports Return-Receipt-To...
>
> Pegasus-Mail, for example, is even worse, it supports X-Confirm-Reading
> (or something), meaning that an e-mail is sent when the user really
> *reads* the message!

And Pegasus Mail is the main mail software used by the University of
Sheffield - where I happen to work - so the option of a "Return receipt"
would be useful to me!

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                     ||       therefore a StrongArm RiscPC User.         ||
                     ||                                                  ||
                     ||  Web-Site: http://www.bolsterstone.demon.co.uk/  ||
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From: David Hobson <[e-mail]>
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Ruth Gunstone <[e-mail]> wrote:

> And Pegasus Mail is the main mail software used by the University of
> Sheffield - where I happen to work - so the option of a "Return receipt"
> would be useful to me!

Why don't we have a field in the 'headers editing' section of the message
editing config dbox which allows you to specify any variety of header, and
if there is something filled in in there (eg Return-Receipt-To: or whatever
other standard you want), add an extra option to the send mail dbox giving
you the choice of whether or not to use it?

David

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Tom Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <lists.messenger-l/[e-mail]>
>           Rick Hudson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Would it be possible to add a return-receipt check-box to the others found on
> > the send mail dbox? I know Zap Email can enable it relatively easily (well,
> > very easily using the button box) but it seems like the kind of basic feature
> > the mailer itself should handle. I can even remember the early versions of
> > TTFN having it. :-)
>
> Yes but it's pointless as Return-Receipt is completely non-standard
> and less and less systems generate receipts when they see it.

Some still do. And when a proper standard emerges the Return-Receipt
check-box can generate that. Presumably that's what MS Exchange does.

I used to use Return-Receipt sometimes with TTFN understanding that it
was not guaranteed. Got some useful confirmations, too. Now I just
keep a template for it in a small text file.

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From: Dane Koekoek <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Malcolm Boura <[e-mail]> wrote:

> RAM etc may be cheap but if we haven't got any money, then nothing gets
> upgraded. Our student PC's are entirely Windows 3.1 and likely to stay that
> way for many years yet.

Sorry to bring doom and gloom to you, but I believe Windows 3.11 will
collapse in 20 months time, ie when we hit the year 2000. You may have
problems running those after that time.


> This is probably repeated in most schools in the UK and I believe the
> position is similar in the health service.

Uh, oh! I hope not... I wouldn't entrust my health to a PC!

--
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Dane Koekoek                   Email: [e-mail]
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Problems, problems...

Messenger 1.34c crashes giving the "Postmortem" window when:
Expiry is automatically or manually instigated by Newsbase
Closing a "Search results" folder/directory (not the articles within it)

Is this my fault?

RO3.11 ARM3 8Meg, Newsbase 0.60c

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Hi,

Two questions here:

Firstly, when I move a message using the "Move to" option, the source window
is not refreshed, but when I shift-drag the message, it is.  Is this a bug?

Secondly, when the message is moved, it becomes marked as unread. Does this
annoy others too?

Richard

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I have tried both "move" and "copy" to get message from a "temp" mailing
list or folder into the mesenger mailing list.  Nothing happens.  What is
the correct way to achieve this?

Thanks.

Phil.




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In message <[e-mail]>
          Philip Cox <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have tried both "move" and "copy" to get message from a "temp" mailing
>list or folder into the mesenger mailing list.  Nothing happens.  What is
>the correct way to achieve this?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Phil.
>

Neither work.

AFAIK you need to have to have the temp folder and mailing list folder
open then:
MOVE - shift/drag 'n drop a group of messages across
COPY - drag 'n drop a group of messages across

Why not just create a filter so that the messages go straight into the
correct mailing list folder when you download?

HTH
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From: Richard van der Hoff <[e-mail]>
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As those of you who read c.s.a.networking will know, I seem to be on the
subject of what might be bugs in messenger (I was rapidly corrected by
Mark) so I thought I'd go the whole hog and give a list of things that
look broken to me.

Apologies for any of these that have come up before (I can't find a
known bugs list?) and I expect I'll get told that half of these are
Newsbase's fault (sorry Mark), but here goes...

Problems observed in Messenger 1.34c

1. Move message using menu (as opposed to shift-drag) fails to update
source window

2. Move message using menu from a folder opened from the subscribe window
moves the subscribe window to the front if it is still open (as does
deleting a folder)

3. Create new folder then open folder fails until the directory is created
by hand with the filer or something arrives in the folder

4. The Newsreader window is not refreshed when a folder changes from being
empty to not empty or vice versa, shouldn't it remove/add the folder to the
viewer if it is set to "Display unread?"

5. Messages filed after being sent, and those moved are marked unread -
isn't this rather silly?

6. After adding a new mailing list, it is necessary to restart Messenger
before the mailing list is moved from the folders list to the
newsgroups/mailing lists list.

7. "Delete group" for a personal folder does not work

8. Messenger fails to pass on hot-key codes, such as c-s-Tab for Newsbase,
when it has the input focus

9. "Catch up" on a folder fails to redraw the Newsreader window


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Please help!

Everytime I load Newsbase and messenger csa.misc seems to always appear as
aleady read.  This has only started happening in the last two days.

I don't remember making any changes to either app.  Now I have to select
either 'All' or 'Read' for that group to view what I've just downloaded.

Any ideas please?
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Mike <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Everytime I load Newsbase and messenger csa.misc seems to always appear as
> aleady read.  This has only started happening in the last two days.

Time to put this one in the FAQ I think...

This problem is probably due to corruption of the overview file at some
point.  This corruption places garbage where Messenger expects to read an
article number, and Messenger interprets it as such.  In order to keep its
unread article counts correct, it then marks as read all articles up to
that number which aren't listed in the overview, because it assumes
they've been deleted.  Since Newsbase will then allocate new article
numbers in this range, then all new news will have already been read.

The solution is to manually edit the files !NewsDir.UserHome.<user>.NewsRC
and !NewsDir.UserHome.<user>.Messenger.NewsRC after first quitting
Messenger, where <user> is the user name you use to log in to Newsbase.
You need to find the lines for any groups you're having problems with, and
edit the last number range on these lines to something more sensible.
You'll probably find that the second number of the pair is ridiculously
high, so you need to change it to a lower value, but which is higher or
the same as the first number in the pair.

Once you've done this for both files, everything should be working again,
although you may find that some news you have read is now marked unread.

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I've just had three messages download from my illusion.co.uk
account, and only one has survived (appearing in a mailing
list).

I got a message from Newsbase stating that there is new mail for
'root' - I have root assigned to my main user, 'Alisdair' - but
there was nothing in the inbox. There was also nothing in the
old 'root' user mailbox.

Has this mail just gone, permanently? POPstar affirms that three
messages were downloaded.

Erk,
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When I try to reduce the size of the Messenger window displaying an email or
news article by clicking on the top right icon, the size does not change,
but the top of the window shoots off the top of the screen, and I have to
switch from 800x600 to 1024x768 resolution to move it back down again.

It re-sizes correctly dragging it using the bottom right icon however.

Have I set something up wrongly, or is it a bug?

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Peter Vincent <[e-mail]> wrote:

> When I try to reduce the size of the Messenger window displaying an
> email or news article by clicking on the top right icon, the size does
> not change, but the top of the window shoots off the top of the screen,
[..]
> Have I set something up wrongly, or is it a bug?

It's a bug, but a fix that specifically solves this problem is available
from http://www.locutus.demon.co.uk/messenger/msgr134dup.zip

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Alisdair McDiarmid <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I got a message from Newsbase stating that there is new mail for
> 'root' - I have root assigned to my main user, 'Alisdair' - but
> there was nothing in the inbox. There was also nothing in the
> old 'root' user mailbox.

Shouldn't the batches still be in the debug directory?

Cheers


Jon (not having looked at Newsbase since 0.54n ;-) )
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          Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

<snip>
> The solution is to manually edit the files !NewsDir.UserHome.<user>.NewsRC
> and !NewsDir.UserHome.<user>.Messenger.NewsRC after first quitting
> Messenger, where <user> is the user name you use to log in to Newsbase.
> You need to find the lines for any groups you're having problems with, and
> edit the last number range on these lines to something more sensible.
> You'll probably find that the second number of the pair is ridiculously
> high, so you need to change it to a lower value, but which is higher or
> the same as the first number in the pair.
>
> Once you've done this for both files, everything should be working again,
> although you may find that some news you have read is now marked unread.
>
<snip>

Done, and thanks problem now solved:-)
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Alisdair McDiarmid <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I've just had three messages download from my illusion.co.uk
> account, and only one has survived (appearing in a mailing
> list).
>
> I got a message from Newsbase stating that there is new mail for
> 'root'

I get this message when an anti-spam filter I've setup has redirected
mail to 'junk' which appears as a news folder on my machine.

Failing that, have a look in !Newsdir.Newsbase.debugmail...

HTH,


Rob.
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Using Messenger, I have sent a few JPEGs as attachments to emails and
those poor folk who use M$ have been caused problems.  Resist, for the
moment, the temptation to say "Serves them right" and have a stab at the
problem.   Any ideas ?

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In message <[e-mail]>
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> Using Messenger, I have sent a few JPEGs as attachments to emails and
> those poor folk who use M$ have been caused problems.  Resist, for the
> moment, the temptation to say "Serves them right" and have a stab at the
> problem.   Any ideas ?

And I know that MS users (except me with my suit on) find it hard
to give more details than "causing problems" .....
Can you clarify whether
 - they are having trouble decoding it (is it MIME or UUCODE)
 - when they save it, they maybe need to save it as fred.jpg not just
   fred
 - do they have an applications that can read JPEGs.


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In message <[e-mail]>
          Andrew Black <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Garry <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Using Messenger, I have sent a few JPEGs as attachments to emails and
> > those poor folk who use M$ have been caused problems.  Resist, for the
> > moment, the temptation to say "Serves them right" and have a stab at the
> > problem.   Any ideas ?
>
> And I know that MS users (except me with my suit on) find it hard
> to give more details than "causing problems" .....

Oops, sorry :-)   Actually, getting any info from them is hard, in one
case impossible as he got someone "technical" to solve the problem.   I
vaguely hoped there was a simple fix.

> Can you clarify whether
>  - they are having trouble decoding it (is it MIME or UUCODE)

UUcode (maybe I'll try MIME next) and this seems OK.   In one case, M$
complained about the received file name.

>  - when they save it, they maybe need to save it as fred.jpg not just
>    fred

I have used the fred/jpg style for sending.

>  - do they have an applications that can read JPEGs.

M$ Explorer, Netscape and something like PaintPro (package name vague).

I can see I am going to have to send a file and then go round to a
problem receiver and have a look.   I have tried loading such a file on
floppy on a nearby PC and had no problems at all.

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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Using Messenger, I have sent a few JPEGs as attachments to emails and
> those poor folk who use M$ have been caused problems.  Resist, for the
> moment, the temptation to say "Serves them right" and have a stab at the
> problem.   Any ideas ?

I can second this. I've had several IT employment agencies in a row tell me
they've failed to read my CV sent to them as a HTML attachment from
Messenger, and they all seem to use Outlook Express. Yes I know it's probably
OE's problem, but it's kind of embarrassing at the moment trying to explain
that to people who you want to help find you a job!

--
Rachel
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From: David McCormack <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Garry <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Andrew Black <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           Garry <[e-mail]> wrote:

[ snip - emails to PC users can't be read properly when a UUEncoded ]
[        attachement is included ]

> > And I know that MS users (except me with my suit on) find it hard
> > to give more details than "causing problems" .....
>
> Oops, sorry :-)   Actually, getting any info from them is hard, in one
> case impossible as he got someone "technical" to solve the problem.   I
> vaguely hoped there was a simple fix.

IIRC you have to open up the email file manually, and then edit the
extentions name from 'JPEG/JPG' to 'JPEG.JPG'. I know that 1.34d doesn't
change this automatically, don't know about any of the other versions.

[ snip ]

> >  - do they have an applications that can read JPEGs.
>
> M$ Explorer, Netscape and something like PaintPro (package name vague).
>
> I can see I am going to have to send a file and then go round to a
> problem receiver and have a look.   I have tried loading such a file on
> floppy on a nearby PC and had no problems at all.

Probably just Outlook screwing up and expecting all file names to be in PC
DOS format.

Hope the above hack works.


David McCormack
--
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I recently attempted to PGP sign a message, and got into quite an irritated
muddle when Messenger / PGP repeatedly refused my passphrase.

On fiddling with PGP directly, I then realised I was attempting to PGP sign
from one of my mailboxes that doesn't actually have a PGP signature, however
Messengers error seemed to indicate that I'd incorrectly entered the
password, rather than complaining about the non existance of a signature
for this user.

Would it be possible to grey-out the PGP-Sign / PGP-encrypt options in the
Send dialogue boxes if the current user doesn't have a PGP signature on the
keyring? Or at least check for this occurence, and produce a more accurate
error message?

This might aleviate the problem both for the half-asleep (like me) and those
who don't understand PGP yet, and consequently don't have a setup.


Toby (who wishes his mailbox set didn't look like a set of different
inherited classes with random pointers all over the place, like a badly
written piece of C++)

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Would it be possible to have seperate user headers for news and mail?  I
write a largish amount of news (c.s.a.net and .prog mostly) and receive a
number of replies; I'd rather not have to hack out my Usenet headers manually
when replying to people by mail.

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Dickon Hood <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Would it be possible to have seperate user headers for news and mail?

>From the manual:

If you wish a particular header to be only included in mail messages, then
prefix the line with ":M " (excluding the quotes but including the space),
and likewise use ":N " for just news messages.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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Having recently upgraded to the latest Zap beta (1.39ß11), I have
noticed that the Zap fonts now have under-line, bold and italic
varieties. However, trying to use one of the font directories with these
in Messenger (1.34c) gives the error "Messenger is unable to use the
configured Bitmap font".

Are there any plans to add support for these to Messenger?
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Alisdair McDiarmid <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I've just had three messages download from my illusion.co.uk
> > account, and only one has survived (appearing in a mailing
> > list).
> >
> > I got a message from Newsbase stating that there is new mail for
> > 'root'
>
> I get this message when an anti-spam filter I've setup has redirected
> mail to 'junk' which appears as a news folder on my machine.
>
> Failing that, have a look in !Newsdir.Newsbase.debugmail...
>

Umm worrying indeed. I've just started up newbase and all of my email,
thousands and thousands of old messages, have just been expired.

--
Martin Piper
Partner, TBA Software.
Free demo downloads of our software at http://www.tba-software.co.uk/
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Hello,

I recently noticed that if a message begins with the character '¡' (oh
yes, I've been practising my Spanish ;-), PGP gets a little confused
because it thinks that file might have been created by itself.
(Presumably, compressed data produced by PGP begins with this
character.)

On the command line (or if you don't use Messenger's Wimp interface to
PGP), this is no problem since you can answer "No" to the question "Is
it safe to assume that it was created by PGP?", or use "+batchmode",
which uses "No" as the default.

However, when Messenger uses PGP to encrypt a message beginning with
'¡', weird things happen: For some reason, Messenger answers "Yes" to
the question. This results in an non-decodable message, with PGP
complaining about an "Unrecognized compression algorithm"!


All the best,

  Richard

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Hi,

does anyone know why the "file in" icon in the send mail dialogue appears
to have no effect - the message always ends up in outgoing.mail anyway - ?


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Hello,

I recently noticed that if a message begins with the character '¡' (oh
yes, I've been practising my Spanish ;-), PGP gets a little confused
because it thinks that file might have been created by itself.
(Presumably, compressed data produced by PGP begins with this
character.)

On the command line (or if you don't use Messenger's Wimp interface to
PGP), this is no problem since you can answer "No" to the question "Is
it safe to assume that it was created by PGP?", or use "+batchmode",
which uses "No" as the default.

However, when Messenger uses PGP to encrypt a message beginning with
'¡', weird things happen: For some reason, Messenger answers "Yes" to
the question. This results in an non-decodable message, with PGP
complaining about an "Unrecognized compression algorithm"!


All the best,

  Richard

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:30:53 +0100
From: Peter Chambers <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Rachel Greenham <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> > Using Messenger, I have sent a few JPEGs as attachments to emails and
> > those poor folk who use M$ have been caused problems.  Resist, for the
> > moment, the temptation to say "Serves them right" and have a stab at the
> > problem.   Any ideas ?
>
> I can second this. I've had several IT employment agencies in a row tell me
> they've failed to read my CV sent to them as a HTML attachment from
> Messenger, and they all seem to use Outlook Express. Yes I know it's probably
> OE's problem, but it's kind of embarrassing at the moment trying to explain
> that to people who you want to help find you a job!

I tried an expriment to see what happens sending an HTML file
from RO to MS-Exchange at work then read it with the MS-Outlook
client under NT4.

The extract below is from the tab in Outlook which allows you to see
the control parts of the message (presumably for debug).
My attachment came through as

Messenger sets the attachment OK.   Content-Type: text/html
But the RO filename has no extension (naturally).

It looks as if the MS code used the DOS filetype to determine
what to do with the attachment. This is despite there being a
mapping maintained by NT between "filetypes", MIME content types
and a list of DOS file extensions.

I have asked out mail guru to add it to our MS wishlist.
(As if anything will ever come of that!)

So maybe Messenger could kludge the name="fname" field
to (optionally) add a DOS extension based on DOSmap
information (or MIME content type information)
to filenames which do not have any. Say, a Miranda
extension*.

---

From: Peter Chambers <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: NOT
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--298464694--1603992766--1171239216
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

--298464694--1603992766--1171239216
Content-Type: text/html; name="50udhr"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

--298464694--1603992766--1171239216--

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From: Peter Chambers <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Rachel Greenham <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> > Using Messenger, I have sent a few JPEGs as attachments to emails and
> > those poor folk who use M$ have been caused problems.  Resist, for the
> > moment, the temptation to say "Serves them right" and have a stab at the
> > problem.   Any ideas ?
>
> I can second this. I've had several IT employment agencies in a row tell me
> they've failed to read my CV sent to them as a HTML attachment from
> Messenger, and they all seem to use Outlook Express. Yes I know it's probably
> OE's problem, but it's kind of embarrassing at the moment trying to explain
> that to people who you want to help find you a job!

I tried an expriment to see what happens sending an HTML file
from RO to MS-Exchange at work then read it with the MS-Outlook
client under NT4.

The extract below is from the tab in Outlook which allows you to see
the control parts of the message (presumably for debug).
My attachment came through as

Messenger sets the attachment OK.   Content-Type: text/html
But the RO filename has no extension (naturally).

It looks as if the MS code used the DOS filetype to determine
what to do with the attachment. This is despite there being a
mapping maintained by NT between "filetypes", MIME content types
and a list of DOS file extensions.

I have asked out mail guru to add it to our MS wishlist.
(As if anything will ever come of that!)

So maybe Messenger could kludge the name="fname" field
to (optionally) add a DOS extension based on DOSmap
information (or MIME content type information)
to filenames which do not have any. Say, a Miranda
extension*.

---

From: Peter Chambers <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: MIME test
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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--298464694--1603992766--1171239216
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

--298464694--1603992766--1171239216
Content-Type: text/html; name="50udhr"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

--298464694--1603992766--1171239216--

---
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cannot afford a file extension, one will be provided for you.

--
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From: Rachel Greenham <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Peter Chambers <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Messenger sets the attachment OK.   Content-Type: text/html
> But the RO filename has no extension (naturally).
>
> It looks as if the MS code used the DOS filetype to determine
> what to do with the attachment. This is despite there being a
> mapping maintained by NT between "filetypes", MIME content types
> and a list of DOS file extensions.

Well, I was trying to be friendly to PCs anyway, in that the files I send
tend to have extensions anyway - that is, they come from files on my system
with names like cv/html, blip/zip etc., and trusting to the normal conversion
from \ to . that seems common on RISC OS software dealing with internet or
DOS - The ANT suite maps this properly (ie: puts name="cv.html" etc.), also
in Fresco and FTPClient, and so does Pluto. Messenger's habit of leaving
slashes intact probably does all sorts of interesting things - some operating
systems out there take that as a pathname separator! :-)

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Hi!

I no longer seem to have a copy of my outgoing mail kept on my system.  When
I last looked for it (and found it), it was in Email.USER.Outgoing-Mail or
something like that, but since I last did a total re-install, I don't seem to
be getting this behaviour.

Is this a feature / bug or have I missed something?

Thanks,

Matthew.

P.S. I seem to have an outgoing mail folder for Mailer-Daemon, but not for
any of my active users (I have three).
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From: Peter Chambers <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Rachel Greenham <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Peter Chambers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Messenger sets the attachment OK.   Content-Type: text/html
> > But the RO filename has no extension (naturally).
> >
> > It looks as if the MS code used the DOS filetype to determine
> > what to do with the attachment. This is despite there being a
> > mapping maintained by NT between "filetypes", MIME content types
> > and a list of DOS file extensions.
>
> Well, I was trying to be friendly to PCs anyway, in that the files I send
> tend to have extensions anyway - that is, they come from files on my system
> with names like cv/html, blip/zip etc., and trusting to the normal conversion
> from \ to . that seems common on RISC OS software dealing with internet or
> DOS - The ANT suite maps this properly (ie: puts name="cv.html" etc.), also
> in Fresco and FTPClient, and so does Pluto. Messenger's habit of leaving
> slashes intact probably does all sorts of interesting things - some operating
> systems out there take that as a pathname separator! :-)

Given the 10 char limit of filecore stealing 4 for "/ext" seems poor.
The  "/" <-> "."  is/was just a hack.

I like the way ArcWeb handles FTP upload. HTML file "fname" becomes
"fname.html" in the upload dialogue box."

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Is it even vaguely possible to use Messenger with !Connect?

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In message <[e-mail]>
  Rachel Greenham <[e-mail]> wrote:

[converting '/' to '.']
> Messenger's habit of leaving slashes intact probably does all sorts of
> interesting things - some operating systems out there take that as a
> pathname separator! :-)

All I can say is that 1.38 (beta) gets it right, so when Mark either fixes
1.34c or releases 1.38 or later. Perhaps a posting of what's been fixed
between the two versions would be in order...

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Peter Chambers <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Given the 10 char limit of filecore stealing 4 for "/ext" seems poor.
> The  "/" <-> "."  is/was just a hack.

Yes, but it seems to have become a reasonably useful de facto standard when
dealing with other platforms (Unix as well as DOS/Windows)

It goes without saying I've been using some form of long filenames solution
for years now... :-)

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Samuel Penn <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Is it even vaguely possible to use Messenger with !Connect?

Yes - give !Connect duff information about the mail and news servers and
use Messenger + Newsbase. But if you can use something like SlipDial
instead, I suggest that you do; !Connect is an embarrassment to
commercial software.

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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>
> Is it even vaguely possible to use Messenger with !Connect?
>
I'm trying it. If this areives then it works.

If it arives and you want more details, please let me know.
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Hi,

 Messenger and Newsbase (v1.34c and v0.60j) have been becoming increasingly
erratic. Messenger occasionally crashes, spews a debug faster than I can read
- whenever I click on eg "INBOX" to bring up my mail to view. If it doesn't
crash, then it will sometimes reset the wimp font to system, so I lose my
nice Homerton look. Occasionally, it works fine - ATM it's being system font.

 In addition, Newsbase keeps telling me "last expiry was more than 5 days
ago, do you widh to continue?" before counting backwards from 1, going into
the negative numbers.

 Can anyone explain these weird happenings?

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 Tom

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          Samuel Penn <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> Is it even vaguely possible to use Messenger with !Connect?
>
I would imagine that the question should be "Is it even vaguely possible
to use Newsbase with !Connect?"

I would think the answer would be, If someone writes a transport for it.
No?

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Andrew Wineberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Samuel Penn <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Is it even vaguely possible to use Messenger with !Connect?
>
> Yes - give !Connect duff information about the mail and news servers and
> use Messenger + Newsbase. But if you can use something like SlipDial
> instead, I suggest that you do; !Connect is an embarrassment to
> commercial software.

What's wrong with it? It seems to have some useful features
(such as auto-connect on web access, timed connect for
downloading news/email) which I wouldn't mind playing around
with. More importantly, !WebServe is misbehaving when used
with SlipDial et al (after a few pages, it begins fetching
blank documents), and it's been suggested over on csa.misc
that it's because it really wants to use !Connect.

The mails/news reading stuff though does appear to be
pretty dire.

What I'd like to do, is for !Connect to download everything,
and to place news/email into Newsbase. Which was sort of
what I meant first time around (when I wasn't feeling
particularly verbose).


In message <[e-mail]>
          Rodger Mayze <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
> > Is it even vaguely possible to use Messenger with !Connect?
> >
> I'm trying it. If this areives then it works.
>
> If it arives and you want more details, please let me know.

If what you've achieved is still applicable after my
above clarifications, then yes please!



Thanks.


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I'm not sure if this is Messenger or Newsbase related so posted to
both lists.

Messenger 1.34c
Newbase 0.60j

This morning I had reason to look for an old news posting of mine from
just over a year ago. Looking in outgoing.news I found it there but
when clicking on it the "deleted/expired" message appeared. This
struck me as odd as the outgoing.news folder is set to 'Never' expire.
I discovered another 30 odd news postings had all disappeared.

Later I noticed a new directory <<STORE>> in my root directory and on
opening it I found all the missing news postings. There was also a
new, and empty, <<Scratch>> directory.

Any ideas?
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Philip Powell <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is Messenger or Newsbase related so posted to
> both lists.
>
> Messenger 1.34c
> Newbase 0.60j
>
> This morning I had reason to look for an old news posting of mine from
> just over a year ago. Looking in outgoing.news I found it there but
> when clicking on it the "deleted/expired" message appeared. This
> struck me as odd as the outgoing.news folder is set to 'Never' expire.
> I discovered another 30 odd news postings had all disappeared.
>
> Later I noticed a new directory <<STORE>> in my root directory and on
> opening it I found all the missing news postings. There was also a
> new, and empty, <<Scratch>> directory.

> Any ideas?

These sound like the temp directories created by !PackDisc.
If it crashes for any reason, the store directory holds
the contents of the directory it was trying to Pack.

I don't know if you can just copy the files back into !NewsDir??

See ya
Jazz
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is Messenger or Newsbase related so posted to
> both lists.
>
> Messenger 1.34c
> Newbase 0.60j
>
> This morning I had reason to look for an old news posting of mine from
> just over a year ago. Looking in outgoing.news I found it there but
> when clicking on it the "deleted/expired" message appeared. This
> struck me as odd as the outgoing.news folder is set to 'Never' expire.
> I discovered another 30 odd news postings had all disappeared.
>
> Later I noticed a new directory <<STORE>> in my root directory and on
> opening it I found all the missing news postings. There was also a
> new, and empty, <<Scratch>> directory.
>
> Any ideas?

Have you recently used a program called "!PackDisc". This program generates
the directories you describe. If the program successfully compacts your disk
then these directories are deleted but if it fails for any reason then they
get left behind.

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From: Bob de Jong <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: I had a keep folder with 68 items in!
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Had is the operative word. Something has cleared it out as now I only have 2
items in Folder:Bob keep.  Yes I always keep backups but how do I restore
this lot to its former home?

With Newsbase expire set to never what would have caused this to happen?
Using Newsbase 0.60g, Messenger 1.34c

TIA

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Bob de Jong <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Had is the operative word. Something has cleared it out as now I
> only have 2 items in Folder:Bob keep.  Yes I always keep backups but
> how do I restore this lot to its former home?
>
> With Newsbase expire set to never what would have caused this to
> happen? Using Newsbase 0.60g, Messenger 1.34c
>

Having had exactly the same problem - caused by my stupidity - 2 days
ago I can say you can get them back easily from your backups.

Have you used !PackDisc by any chance?

If you drag the backup files or Folder back into the right place and
re-index everything should be ok. You might not need to re-index but
it will only take a few seconds with c70 files.

HTH
--
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to The Cheviot
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From: Bob Evans <[e-mail]>
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I'm trying to work out how to compile a Distribution List in
Messenger 1.34c so that I can send the same email message to a number
of people: generally more than I can fit in the To, CC and BCC
lines.  But I am stumped!

I can get as far as Selecting the Address book from the Mailer
window, and then Selecting "Distribution Lists".  Up comes two
windows; in my case

................!NetBoot.!NewsDir.UserHome.bevans.Messenger.DistLists
and
................!NetBoot.!NewsDir.Messenger.DistLists

I would appreciate it if someone could guide me through the rest of
the procedure.  I couldn't find any mention of this process in the
Messenger Help.

Thanks

Bob

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Bob Evans, 15 Taiepa Rd, RD 9 Otatara, Invercargill 9521, New Zealand
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Hello,

while skimming through my emails with clicks on the forward arrow, I
came across an encrypted message and the window to enter the password
was opened. As I didn't want to read the message just then, I clicked on
the arrow once more. Somehow, this made Messenger delete the message
after the encrypted one - hmph...

I don't know if this is repeatable. I don't really want to try.


  Richard

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Bob Evans <[e-mail]> wrote:

> .................!NetBoot.!NewsDir.UserHome.bevans.Messenger.DistLists

That one is for your 'personal' distribution lists

> and
> .................!NetBoot.!NewsDir.Messenger.DistLists

Is because your user ID is probably flagged as 'Admin' in newsbase.

> I would appreciate it if someone could guide me through the rest of
> the procedure.  I couldn't find any mention of this process in the
> Messenger Help.

Create a text file with the addresses you want in the list, and save it
in one of the directories above (depending on who you want to use it).
Then, in the address book, create an alias and descriptive name for this
distribution list, select the distribution list option, and then select
the title of the textfile thats the one you want from the menu.
Then, whenever you want to use the list, just place the alias into the
relevant field (To, CC, BCC) and when it gets edited (if you have header
editing turned on) or when its sent, the list is expanded and placed in that
field.

David

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From: Philip Powell <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Bob Evans <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'm trying to work out how to compile a Distribution List in
>Messenger 1.34c so that I can send the same email message to a number
>of people: generally more than I can fit in the To, CC and BCC
>lines.  But I am stumped!
>
>I can get as far as Selecting the Address book from the Mailer
>window, and then Selecting "Distribution Lists".  Up comes two
>windows; in my case
>
>.................!NetBoot.!NewsDir.UserHome.bevans.Messenger.DistLists
>and
>.................!NetBoot.!NewsDir.Messenger.DistLists
>
>I would appreciate it if someone could guide me through the rest of
>the procedure.  I couldn't find any mention of this process in the
>Messenger Help.
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob
>

This is how I do it:

1 open Address Book and select Distribution lists as you did

2 create a textfile of the addresses you want to include and save
under appropriate name (eg. XXX) in !NewsDir.UserHome.bevans.etc

3 click Add option on Address book, tick Distribution list and choose
XXX from Menu list (to the right and below)

4 name the Alias XXX and give it a more meaningful Name - although
I'm not sure that is necessary, click on Set

5 Save and then compose Mail, selecting XXX to go in the To field

HTH
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I'd just like to congratulate Mark on making Messenger very liberal
in what it accepts.

This message was precipitated by Messenger coping transparently with
a uuencode that had then been quoted-printable encoded (the correspondent
is behind a rather brain dead X400 gateway). If I hadn't looked at the
raw message out of curiosity I would never even have known how broken
the message was...

Tom

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Hi.

I am running Messenger 1.34c + Newsbase 0.60j

I had to reinstall it all due to a horrible crash (caused by a non-Acorn
HD formatting program, so BE WARY of such things :-( ) and it seems to
be up and running OK, now.

However, yesterday night Newsbase seemed to be corrupting the overview file,
and Messenger reported it - I had an Inbox of supposedly 52000 messages,
all of them void - finally Messenger popped-up a window saying that
the Overview file was corrupt. A Newsbase reindex fixed it. However,
Messenger now shows EVERY single message in my inbox as 'replied', i.e.
with the red 'tick'

What's wrong?

Maurizio
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From: Toby Smith <[e-mail]>
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I've got one of my multiple users set up to display Personal Folders inside
the Mailer window.

I happened to try deleting one of those folders (using the menu option) and
nothing happened (at all). Deletion of (public) folders in the Folders view
works happily..

Anyone else get similar behaviour?


I'm also finding that message moving (with the menu option, not by dragging)
doesn't fire a refresh afterwards, making it look like the messages haven't
moved...

Similarly, any chance of a Catchup button in the Folders viewer - they're
everywhere else!


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:44:58 +0100
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When I create a folder.maillist.messenger with the name Messenger in Newsbase
and I save this setup, leave Newsbase and Messenger and start it again, the
name is truncated to messe. Why and is this a problem of Newsbase or
Messenger?
TIA

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From: Richard van der Hoff <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Toby Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I've got one of my multiple users set up to display Personal Folders inside
> the Mailer window.
>
> I happened to try deleting one of those folders (using the menu option) and
> nothing happened (at all). Deletion of (public) folders in the Folders view
> works happily..
>
> Anyone else get similar behaviour?
>
Yes

> I'm also finding that message moving (with the menu option, not by
> dragging) doesn't fire a refresh afterwards, making it look like the
> messages haven't moved...
>
That too.

I *think* Mark knows about these as I posted them here along with a few
other "features" a few weeks ago...  Let's hope he got them sorted out by
1.39 or whatever the current beta is :-)

PS Sorry Toby I think I just sent you a copy of this by mistake...
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From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
To: messenger-l
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Ariancylch <[e-mail]> wrote:

[On the beta test mailing list]

> What is the time-frame for the implementation of multi-server support?
> (If at all...)
>
> I'd love to be able to use Newsbase and RemoteNB at the same time, so I
> could seamlessly switch between local and remote users as if they were
> all local all at once...

This won't be possible without a change to Newsbase's protocol, which
currently assumes that only one server is running.  Consequently,
Messenger, Newsbase and RemoteNB would all need modification to allow
them to co-exist.

I have some interest in developing a version with multi-server support,
but it rather depends on the level of demand for it.  Would anybody else
find it useful?

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I have some interest in developing a version with multi-server support,
> but it rather depends on the level of demand for it.  Would anybody else
> find it useful?

It would be very interesting, especially if somebody will develop another
news/mail system that is different to Newsbase in some way.

There should be an easy but powerful protocol, which can be extended
when needed.
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   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat

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From: Thomas Harris <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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Hi! I have a small problem that you good peocle may be able to help me with.
Whilst setting up Messenger for the first time, I clicked the remember
details option on the login screen for one of my users. Unfortunately, I have
since discovered that I don't actually want this user logged in on startup.
Is there any option to turn this "remember details" feature off once you have
started it, or will I have to reinstall and set up again? I'm using Messenger
1.34c.

Many thanks,

Thomas

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Thomas Harris <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Is there any option to turn this "remember details" feature off once you
> have started it, or will I have to reinstall and set up again?

I can't remember what happens, but can't you just open the login dialogue
from the icon bar menu, and perform a login with 'remember details' turned
off?  I have a feeling this will clear it, but I might be wrong.

If this doesn't work then I'll make the next release adopt this behaviour.

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Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
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From: James Harvey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Importing mailboxes...
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Is there any facility for importing a mailbox in the form of a long text
file with messages back-to-back (as one would ftp from a UNIX account, or
an exported mailbox from the ANT suite) and make it into a folder? I'm
using Newsbase with Messenger, and I can't see any way of doing it as all
the folders are stored as separate files for each message with some
header stuff. Has anyone else come up with a solution?

Cheers,

-James

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          Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Thomas Harris <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Is there any option to turn this "remember details" feature off once you
> > have started it, or will I have to reinstall and set up again?
>
> I can't remember what happens, but can't you just open the login dialogue
> from the icon bar menu, and perform a login with 'remember details'
> turned off?  I have a feeling this will clear it, but I might be wrong.
>
I don't think there's a way to get it not to log in with any user. However
by clicking on "login..." (rather than going to the submenu) and logging in
with a different user with 'remember details' _on_ this will be the new
user at startup.


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On Fri 29 May 98 (11:31:34 +0100), [e-mail] wrote:
> > Is there any option to turn this "remember details" feature off once
> > you have started it, or will I have to reinstall and set up again?
>
> I can't remember what happens, but can't you just open the login
> dialogue from the icon bar menu, and perform a login with 'remember
> details' turned off?  I have a feeling this will clear it, but I might
> be wrong.

Unfortunately not - it just logs in as normal and then on the next startup the
"remembered" user is logged back in again.

> If this doesn't work then I'll make the next release adopt this
> behaviour.

If you could, that would be brilliant. Thanks.

TTFN, Thomas

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> the folders are stored as separate files for each message with some
> header stuff. Has anyone else come up with a solution?

Take the file, make sure its named the same as the user you want to import
it as (eg the file is called fred if the user is called fred), and copy it
across to !NewsDir.newsbase.spool.local - newsbase will then debatch it
(assuming the local transport is turned on) and hopefully treat it as
a mail batch (if it has lines like From flibble@flubble 10:10:10 separating
the messages)

David

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> Is there any facility for importing a mailbox in the form of a long text
> file with messages back-to-back (as one would ftp from a UNIX account, or
> an exported mailbox from the ANT suite) and make it into a folder? I'm
> using Newsbase with Messenger, and I can't see any way of doing it as all
> the folders are stored as separate files for each message with some
> header stuff. Has anyone else come up with a solution?

You may well be able to get away with dropping the file into an incoming
spool directory for the transport you are using.

For example, with FreeSMTP you can just save it as:
!FreeSMTP.MailDir.spool.mail.username

where username must match your Newsbase user name.  This should work with
any transport though.


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> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I have some interest in developing a version with multi-server support,
> > but it rather depends on the level of demand for it.  Would anybody else
> > find it useful?
>
> It would be very interesting, especially if somebody will develop another
> news/mail system that is different to Newsbase in some way.

This would be a lot of work.  Don't forget, that this does not just involve
writing the news management system, you need to rewrite all your e-mail and
news clients, all your network fetching code etc.  That is a very big job.

Jon Duddington has attempted this with Pluto, and from what I can gather
Pluto is aimed purely at single-user installations and is reported to be
quite good.  But that's no good for many people who are familiar with the
advantages of multi-user systems - even when there is only one real person
managing all those accounts (eg. an account for posting news from, which
refuses to receive UCE/spam e-mail.

> There should be an easy but powerful protocol, which can be extended when
> needed.

The problem with starting afresh in this manner is that you tend to lose a
lot of the implementation experience that accompanies a long standing
application.

Newsbase has been functional for several years now - 7?, 8? more? - and
has been refined to cope with modern news requirements.   Consider the
problems that both Argo and ANT have had with their comparatively
new systems ("only" 2-3 years old in terms of general design).  They are
not mature clients in Internet terms although there are signs that they are
getting there.


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In message <[e-mail]>
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> I can't remember what happens, but can't you just open the login
> dialogue from the icon bar menu, and perform a login with 'remember
> details' turned off?  I have a feeling this will clear it, but I might
> be wrong.

As indeed I am.  It is possible to clear the saved user name and password
though - you just have to open the login dialogue, clear both fields, set
'remember details' to on, and then press the login button.  This also has
the pleasing effect of not logging you out in the process.

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In message <[e-mail]> Stewart Brodie wrote:

> > There should be an easy but powerful protocol, which can be extended
> > when needed.
>
> The problem with starting afresh in this manner is that you tend to lose a
> lot of the implementation experience that accompanies a long standing
> application.

It would be quite nice, probably very useful, if we could tweak the
Newsbase message protocol to permit multiple servers. It may even not be
horribly difficult (though Mark's part of making Messenger work with >1
server at once might be more involved!)

> Newsbase has been functional for several years now - 7?, 8? more? -
> and has been refined to cope with modern news requirements.   Consider
> the problems that both Argo and ANT have had with their comparatively
> new systems ("only" 2-3 years old in terms of general design).  They
> are  not mature clients in Internet terms although there are signs
> that they are getting there.

Newsbase has only been around for 4 years, really. There are things one
would do differently now - perhaps using tcp/ip instead of wimp messages
to communicate between programs - but then, when I started, no Acorn
machines had tcp/ip stacks (other than those few who had bought the very
expensive protocol suite). ka9q was it.

Graham
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          Maurizio Ferrari <[e-mail]> wrote:

> However,  Messenger now shows EVERY single message in my inbox as
> 'replied', i.e.  with the red 'tick'

Huh, deja vu...

This problem is probably due to corruption of the overview file at some
point.  This corruption places garbage where Messenger expects to read an
article number, and Messenger interprets it as such.  In order to keep its
unread article counts correct, it then marks as read all articles up to
that number which aren't listed in the overview, because it assumes
they've been deleted.  Since Newsbase will then allocate new article
numbers in this range, then all new news will have already been read.

The solution is to manually edit the files !NewsDir.UserHome.<user>.NewsRC
and !NewsDir.UserHome.<user>.Messenger.NewsRC after first quitting
Messenger, where <user> is the user name you use to log in to Newsbase.
You need to find the lines for any groups you're having problems with, and
edit the last number range on these lines to something more sensible.
You'll probably find that the second number of the pair is ridiculously
high, so you need to change it to a lower value, but which is higher or
the same as the first number in the pair.

Once you've done this for both files, everything should be working again,
although you may find that some news you have read is now marked unread.
Note that v1.40 will contain code to detect when this problem has
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          Stewart Brodie <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Christian Kohlschtter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > It would be very interesting, especially if somebody will develop another
> > news/mail system that is different to Newsbase in some way.
>
> This would be a lot of work.  Don't forget, that this does not just involve
> writing the news management system, you need to rewrite all your e-mail and
> news clients, all your network fetching code etc.  That is a very big job.

Well it's kind of already been done in the form of RemoteNB. Sure it
doesn't do everything Newsbase does - it delegates a lot of those tasks
to other programs on a remote server. It satisfies the definition of a
news/mail system that is different in some way though ;-)

Tom

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Stewart Brodie <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > It would be very interesting, especially if somebody will develop another
> > news/mail system that is different to Newsbase in some way.
>
> This would be a lot of work.  Don't forget, that this does not just involve
> writing the news management system, you need to rewrite all your e-mail and
> news clients, all your network fetching code etc.  That is a very big job.

NewsBite does it. It's nowhere near finished though. The source is at
ftp://ftp.doggysoft.co.uk/pub/newsbite/ . It's very, very fast. It doesn't
do expiry at the moment, or mail, and it only supports the Newsbase protocol
of around version 0.54n. It's highly unlikely I will be doing any more work
on it myself. It has a filing system in it, which is kinda fun.

Cheers


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of James Harvey
> Sent: 29 May 1998 11:35
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Importing mailboxes...
>
>
> Is there any facility for importing a mailbox in the form of a long text
> file with messages back-to-back (as one would ftp from a UNIX account, or
> an exported mailbox from the ANT suite) and make it into a folder? I'm
> using Newsbase with Messenger, and I can't see any way of doing it as all
> the folders are stored as separate files for each message with some
> header stuff. Has anyone else come up with a solution?
>

A new transport could possibly be written which has an iconbar front-end.
When you drag the UNIX style mail file onto it's icon, it acts as if the
mail had come from a pop or such like account, as POPstar works.

BFN,

Hugh

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Is there any way to find out which articles are locked, other than going
through them all individually? Perhaps an option in the display menu?

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On Fri 29 May, Stewart Brodie wrote:
> In message <Marcel-1.08-0529103433-313
>           James Harvey <[e-mail]> wrote:
> [snip importing mailboxes from other programs]

Thanks everyone for the help - that works a treat.

I've another question now - I'm at Cambridge Uni. and we're not allowed
to use our own machines as mail servers/clients - we've got to fetch the
mail from the central mail server. I had a look as FreeSMTP but it won't
work as I can't have mail forwarded to my own machine.

Does anyone know if there is anything which will link with
Messenger/Newsbase and check to see if there is any new mail in a remote
inbox, and if there is to fetch it and display it locally? The ANT suite
does this using IMAP and it works fine - but I've started using
Messenger/Newsbase for news and it's much nicer so I'd like to start
using it for e-mail as well. Alternatively, is there any way of using the
fetcher from the ANT suite?

Thanks for the help,

-James

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          James Harvey <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is anything which will link with
> Messenger/Newsbase and check to see if there is any new mail in a remote
> inbox, and if there is to fetch it and display it locally? The ANT suite
> does this using IMAP and it works fine - but I've started using
> Messenger/Newsbase for news and it's much nicer so I'd like to start
> using it for e-mail as well. Alternatively, is there any way of using the
> fetcher from the ANT suite?

Well there's RemoteNB which replaces Newsbase and access mail and
news stored on a server using NNTP and IMAP. It doesn't copy it
down to your machine though, it just fetches it as needed.

Drop me a line if you're interested and I'll add you to the beta
testers.

Tom

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From: Postmaster <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Tom Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <lists.messenger-l/19980529224527$[e-mail]>
>           James Harvey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if there is anything which will link with
> > Messenger/Newsbase and check to see if there is any new mail in a remote
> > inbox, and if there is to fetch it and display it locally?
>
> Well there's RemoteNB which replaces Newsbase and access mail and
> news stored on a server using NNTP and IMAP. It doesn't copy it
> down to your machine though, it just fetches it as needed.

Can't you just use a POP mail program like POPStar to fetch mail - I use it
to collect my mail from the Chemistry dept. Unix boxes (which also support
IMAP).

Matthew.
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From: Christian Kohlschtter <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Malcolm Boura <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Is there any way to find out which articles are locked, other than going
> through them all individually? Perhaps an option in the display menu?

If there was a Filer-like "count" option in Messenger, you would be able
to have an overview about all selected messages. (It should count
all kind of message states seperately, eg. read, unread, replied etc.)
--
   Christian Kohlschuetter                            [e-mail]
   Wombat                                  http://www.pingpong.de/wombat

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In message <[e-mail]>
you wrote:

> On Fri, 29 May 1998, James Harvey wrote:
>
> > I've another question now - I'm at Cambridge Uni. and we're not
> > allowed to use our own machines as mail servers/clients - we've got
> > to fetch the mail from the central mail server. I had a look as
> > FreeSMTP but it won't work as I can't have mail forwarded to my own
> > machine.
>
Thanks for all the help (again...) - if all is well, this should be
coming to you via POPstar...

Cheers (and sorry for being slightly off-topic)

-James

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From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
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Messenger v1.40 is now available from the web site, both in full and as an
upgrade from v1.34 or later.  The upgrade has also been posted to the
msgrbinary mailing list.

The following is a summary of the changes included in this release - a
more detailed list is included in the updated manual:

 - Message scoring facilities added
 - Added interface to R-Comp/David Pilling's SpellCheck module
 - Support added for selecting text in a message
 - Support added for saving selections
 - Drag and drop export of selections added
 - Global clipboard support added
 - Copy and paste of writable icons added
 - Group viewers now support drag and drop to other applications
 - Threading can now be toggled from within a group
 - Launch URL dialogue added
 - Sort by arrival option added
 - MIME decoding now applied to headers
 - Toggle bitmap font option added
 - Forwarding now includes a short header summary
 - Warning given when logging out/quitting and edit sessions active
 - Group choices dialogue added, including group specific signatures,
   random signatures and taglines
 - TTFN style user configurable attribution strings added
 - Sort by sender now uses value of To or Newsgroups fields for
   messages originated by the user
 - Many bug fixes

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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From: Thomas Harris <[e-mail]>
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The page of login help in the new help file seems to have been overwritten by
an additional copy of the PGP keyring help, and is unavailable. Has this
happened in all upgraded copies, or have I messed up the installation
somewhat?

TTFN, Thomas

P.S. The requirements/licence links both go to the licence page, as well. i
think there may be a bug in my copy of the manual - does it happen to other
peoples?

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From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Thomas Harris <[e-mail]> wrote:

> The page of login help in the new help file seems to have been
> overwritten by an additional copy of the PGP keyring help, and is
> unavailable. Has this happened in all upgraded copies, or have I messed
> up the installation somewhat?

The manual must have been corrupted by StrongHelp when I made the final
changes to it.  I've posted a fixed version to the mailing list, and
updated the copies on the web site.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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This problems has manifest itself in the last couple of days with both
1.34c and 1.40 - one ng shows all read messages as unread and all
newly downloaded unread messages as 'replied to'. I've tried
re-indexing but the problem remains. It only happens to one ng and it
is one I have been subscribed to for nearly 2 years.

Any ideas?
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Philip Powell
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I get the newsgroup post dialog box instead though
the title is 'Forward message by e-mail'.

Ta,

Andy

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In message <[e-mail]>
          "Andrew J. Bond" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I get the newsgroup post dialog box instead though
> the title is 'Forward message by e-mail'.

A fix for this problem is now available.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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From: Chris Manning <[e-mail]>
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In message <Marcel-1.08-0529103433-313
          James Harvey <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Is there any facility for importing a mailbox in the form of a long text
> file with messages back-to-back (as one would ftp from a UNIX account,

Mine arrives here looking something like

   From [e-mail] Thu May 28 22:32:12 1998
   Received: (from uucp@localhost)
   <remaining headers>

   <message body>

   From [e-mail] Thu May 28 22:36:27 1998
   Received: (from uucp@localhost)
   ...

and I just drop it in !NewsDir.In.  As someone else has pointed out,
the file needs to have the same name as the user for whom it's intended
(chrism in my case).


> and make it into a folder?

If you mean that want to put it in Folder.wibble filters would seem to
be the answer, I'm afraid I've no idea how you'd go about it.



Chris

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I'm having a problem reading comp.sys.acorn.apps since upgrading to
Messenger 1.40/1.40a. If I try to open the group, I get a 'The overview file
is corrupt' error. Trying again, Newsbase makes an overview file but
Messenger immediately reports that it's corrupt.

v1.34c has no such problems.


John
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John Ferguson
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From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          John Ferguson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I'm having a problem reading comp.sys.acorn.apps since upgrading to
> Messenger 1.40/1.40a. If I try to open the group, I get a 'The overview
> file is corrupt' error. Trying again, Newsbase makes an overview file
> but Messenger immediately reports that it's corrupt.

Try reindexing the group and try again.  Perhaps Newsbase is recreating
the overview using corrupt index data.

Messenger's behaviour with regard to overview corruption has changed in
v1.40.  It it spots that article numbers are out of sequence, then it will
report this as corruption, to stop it marking absurdly large ranges of
articles as read, due to large article numbers in the overview file.  It
will also now delete corrupt overviews, to force Newsbase to regenerate
them the next time they're requested.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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From: John Ferguson <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           John Ferguson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I'm having a problem reading comp.sys.acorn.apps since upgrading to
> > Messenger 1.40/1.40a. If I try to open the group, I get a 'The overview
> > file is corrupt' error. Trying again, Newsbase makes an overview file
> > but Messenger immediately reports that it's corrupt.
>
> Try reindexing the group and try again.  Perhaps Newsbase is recreating
> the overview using corrupt index data.

I have tried reindexing the group, the whole database and rebuilding the
master ID indexes all to no avail.


John
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John Ferguson
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From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          John Ferguson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I have tried reindexing the group, the whole database and rebuilding the
> master ID indexes all to no avail.

Then please send me a copy of the affected overview file (from
!NewsDir.News.group.name.~overview), and I'll take a look at it.

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Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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From: Graham Allan <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> > Try reindexing the group and try again.  Perhaps Newsbase is recreating
> > the overview using corrupt index data.
>
> I have tried reindexing the group, the whole database and rebuilding the
> master ID indexes all to no avail.

I wonder if there are any out-of-order entries in the overview file,
then? It might be worth examining it. If you don't see anything, send me
a copy (I guess one could easily check the order by running the file
through sort, then diffing it against the original...).

Graham

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From: James Harvey <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Just a quick request - is it possible to set a value for the "File In"
field so that it will save a copy of that file whenever you send an
e-mail or post news? I like to file everything I send and I can't see a
way of accomplishing this without setting the value of the field every
time I compose an e-mail...

Cheers,

-James

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Since upgrading to Messenger 1.40a, I have noticed a couple of minor
problems with Messenger.

  o Marking a message as read in the Newsgroup viewer doesn't always alter
    the status of a message if it is being displayed at the same time.

    When altering it from read to unread in the message display the link
    works, though both displays become out of sync.

    Display says message read = viewer says unread.

    Clicking on the Read status button

    Display says message unread = viewer says read.

  o Pressing RETURN to activate the [Edit] button in the Post followup to
    newsgroup window results in an extra line being placed *before* the
    header in StrongED. It doesn't seem to occur with Edit.

    [Messenger has header editting enabled]

I haven't yet tried out any of the new fetaures yet though the new options
look useful :)

Many thanks



David McCormack
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From: Peter Vincent <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Graham Allan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> > > Try reindexing the group and try again.  Perhaps Newsbase is recreating
> > > the overview using corrupt index data.
> >
> > I have tried reindexing the group, the whole database and rebuilding the
> > master ID indexes all to no avail.
>
> I wonder if there are any out-of-order entries in the overview file,
> then? It might be worth examining it. If you don't see anything, send me
> a copy (I guess one could easily check the order by running the file
> through sort, then diffing it against the original...).

I have had a similar problem with my email folder.  Examining the overview
file I found one record was duplicated.  I reindexed, and the same record
was duplicated.  I then manually edited the file to delete the duplicate
record, and was then able to open the folder.

I can't see anything odd about the record which was being duplicated, and I
can open it quite happily.

I have just tried re-indexing again, and the duplicate re-appeared again.
If there are any further details you need, or if you want me to send you a
copy of any of the relevant files, let me know.

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From: John Ferguson <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           John Ferguson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I have tried reindexing the group, the whole database and rebuilding the
> > master ID indexes all to no avail.
>
> Then please send me a copy of the affected overview file (from
> !NewsDir.News.group.name.~overview), and I'll take a look at it.

Fixed now thanks. The first 19 entries in ~overview were duplicated, because
for some reason I had ~x.~x and ~x.~x33 directories with the same messages.
Deleting ~x.~x and reindexing worked.


John
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From: John Ferguson <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Graham Allan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> > > Try reindexing the group and try again.  Perhaps Newsbase is recreating
> > > the overview using corrupt index data.
> >
> > I have tried reindexing the group, the whole database and rebuilding the
> > master ID indexes all to no avail.
>
> I wonder if there are any out-of-order entries in the overview file,
> then? It might be worth examining it. If you don't see anything, send me
> a copy (I guess one could easily check the order by running the file
> through sort, then diffing it against the original...).

I had a look at ~overview for comp.sys.acorn.apps and the first 19 entries
were duplicated. Looking inside !NewsDir for the group revealed the ~x.~x
and ~x.~x33 directories were the same, so I deleted ~x.~x, reindexed and now
it's OK.


John
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When v1.40 arrived I was delighted at the cut'n'paste option from
selections in mail. I can't get it to work now and the only
change I can think of is the upgrade to 1.40a. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Jim
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Argh! Sorry for wasting time. I was trying ^c ^v (bad habit from
unix use...) which doesn't work for me, and didn't try the
drag'n'drop which has and does. And I like it. Oh yes.... :-)

Jim
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Hi!

Just a question concerning attachments:
Would it be possible to implement the "/xxx"->".xxx" conversion?
That would be really helpful.
Perhaps it could be realized using some option in the attachments-pane to
switch conversion on/off.

Bye,
 Guido

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When I want to forward an email by pressing ^W or Message->Forward in
the menu, Messenger 1.40 opens something like an newsgroup followup
window. This looks like a bug to me.
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From: Graham Allan <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > In message <[e-mail]>
> >           John Ferguson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > > I have tried reindexing the group, the whole database and
> > > rebuilding the master ID indexes all to no avail.
> >
> > Then please send me a copy of the affected overview file (from
> > !NewsDir.News.group.name.~overview), and I'll take a look at it.
>
> Fixed now thanks. The first 19 entries in ~overview were duplicated,
> because for some reason I had ~x.~x and ~x.~x33 directories with the
> same messages. Deleting ~x.~x and reindexing worked.

I'll add something to newsbase so that it detects this in future...

Graham

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From: Graham Allan <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> I have had a similar problem with my email folder.  Examining the
> overview file I found one record was duplicated.  I reindexed, and the
> same record was duplicated.  I then manually edited the file to delete
> the duplicate record, and was then able to open the folder.
>
> I can't see anything odd about the record which was being duplicated,
> and I can open it quite happily.
>
> I have just tried re-indexing again, and the duplicate re-appeared
> again.  If there are any further details you need, or if you want me
> to send you a copy of any of the relevant files, let me know.

Perhaps, as in John Ferguson's case, the simple explanation is that
there is more than one copy of the same article number held in !Newsdir.
If so, then the next version of Newsbase should prevent the problem.
But it would be nice to find out if that is the cause, if you could take
a look?

Graham
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In message <[e-mail]>
  Chris Manning <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <Marcel-1.08-0529103433-313
>           James Harvey <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Is there any facility for importing a mailbox in the form of a long text
>> file with messages back-to-back (as one would ftp from a UNIX account,

> Mine arrives here looking something like
[mbox format, as found in $MAIL in a Unix account]
> and I just drop it in !NewsDir.In.

At which point I should mention that this directory is somewhat
transport-specific. Those with Unix accounts and access to inews and sendmail
may find my transport useful; contact me for details :-)

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        [e-mail]
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If anyone subscribed to these mailing lists has received a number of
returned messages from fingask.demon.co.uk, please acept my apologies
for not realising that using !Connect without configuring !Mail would
not be a good plan...

All email to <user>@f.d.c.u was downloaded while I wasn't looking, and
then returned.

Once again, sorry for any inconvenience caused.
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I've just installed Webspell but can't get it to work with
Messenger v1.40a. There seems to be a problem with the folder
names.

Messenger tries to run "!WebSpell.Spell.!Run" but the only
Webspell !Run file is in the higher level !WebSpell folder, not
the lower level Spell folder. Should Messenger be asking for
"!WebSpell.!SpellRun"? (which appears to load the spelling
module). If so, how can I change it?

If not...

I checked the setup in !WebSpell and notice that !SpellRun
(inside !WebSpell) sets:

    SpellModule$Dir    <Obey$Dir>.Spell
    and
    RMEnsure SpellCheck 1.00 Run "<SpellModule$Dir>.Spell" %*0

With this original configuration, Messenger doesn't start, as
mentioned above, giving an error that it can't find the
"!WebSpell.Spell.!Run" file. If I change !SpellRun to read:

    Set SpellModule$Dir    <Obey$Dir>
    and
    RMEnsure SpellCheck 1.00 Run "<SpellModule$Dir>.Spell.Spell" %*0

then Messenger starts up, but the Spelling option remains dimmed.

Starting up the whole application doesn't help either....

Help, anyone?

Jim
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In message <[e-mail]>
          System account <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Messenger tries to run "!WebSpell.Spell.!Run" but the only Webspell !Run
> file is in the higher level !WebSpell folder

It's really trying to run !SpellMod.!Run, but if you run WebSpell then
Messenger will think !WebSpell.Spell is !SpellMod instead.

Do you have !SpellMod?  I got a free copy of WebSpell via e-mail, so I'm
not sure what is distributed as part of the package.

> I checked the setup in !WebSpell and notice that !SpellRun

If you copy !SpellRun into !WebSpell.Spell and rename it to !Run, then
this should make it look like !SpellMod to Messenger.

Please let me know how you get on with this, as I don't think the spell
checking stuff has been tested much, if at all.

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From: Tony Houghton <[e-mail]>
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I've noticed for some time now that the "Replies" section of a thread
menu is always empty unless I view all messages, whereas "References"
are always available, expiry permitting.

Is this a feature/quirk/bug?

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From: Peter Vincent <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Graham Allan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> > I have had a similar problem with my email folder.  Examining the
> > overview file I found one record was duplicated.  I reindexed, and the
> > same record was duplicated.  I then manually edited the file to delete
> > the duplicate record, and was then able to open the folder.
> >
> > I can't see anything odd about the record which was being duplicated,
> > and I can open it quite happily.
> >
> > I have just tried re-indexing again, and the duplicate re-appeared
> > again.  If there are any further details you need, or if you want me
> > to send you a copy of any of the relevant files, let me know.
>
> Perhaps, as in John Ferguson's case, the simple explanation is that
> there is more than one copy of the same article number held in !Newsdir.
> If so, then the next version of Newsbase should prevent the problem.
> But it would be nice to find out if that is the cause, if you could take
> a look?

It was the problem - there was a directory with just the second copy of the
offending article in it.  Deleting it has solved the problem.

I don't know how or when the duplication occurred - it was a very old
message, which will have been present through several versions of Newsbase.

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Before 1.40, the message window opened in roughly the centre of the screen
(at least in 1024x768). This was a comfortable position for me to read it.
However, it now opens hard up against the lefthand edge of the screen, which
means that every time I move to a new newsgroup or my mailbox I have to drag
the window to the centre of the screen again.

Any chance we could have it back to where it was or at least configurable?

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> Any chance we could have it back to where it was or at least
> configurable?

It is configurable.  All you have to do is place it where you want it and
choose Display=>Save position from the menu.

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Using 'Specific Signatures' from the Group Choices dialogue seems to be
broken. (Messenger v1.40a)

I tried to set newsgroup comp.sys.acorn.misc to use the signature file
'NewsSig' which I'd created in my UserHome...Signatures directory. It
works during the session in which it is created but on quit and reload,
Messenger seems to mangle the filename to use.

I've dug around in UserHome...NewsRC, and the entry for this newsgroup
reads:

 comp.sys.acorn.misc:I"ewsSi"lDS 1-2461 2544-2544

ie the 'N' and 'g' are missing from the signature filename (I'm assuming
that this is where the configuration for signatures is stored....)

Other times it reads:

 comp.sys.acorn.misc:I"Newig"lDS 1-2461 2544-2544

ie the 'S' has gone.
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Would it be possible to have a more marked difference between the
'Read' and 'Replied' icons? Being slightly colour blind I can see no
difference. To make it easier for me, I have simply flipped the
'messagerr' icon so that it a gives lefthanded tick.
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Since I upgraded to !Messenger 1.40b and !Newsbase 0.61 two days ago
I have had the following occur.
When my subscription to mailing lists (like this one) is processed, the
list comes up in !Messenger showing 10/96. When I click on the mailing
list to see my 10 new postings, all I get is a blank window and the 10/96
changes to 0/96. I have to then change my setting to see all emails to
try and find the new ones. It changes all the emails to 'read' so it's
almost impossible to find the new ones.
I have tried rebuilding the indexes and this has had no effect.


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In 1.40a I've started re-experiencing an old bug, where sometimes when I
open a message window there's empty space where the toolbar should be.

I think it's always happened when reading a sole unread message in a
mailing list, but I'm not sure.

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Steve Hennigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Since I upgraded to !Messenger 1.40b and !Newsbase 0.61 two days ago

Where did !Messenger 1.40b come from?  The last one I received was 1.40a.

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> Where did !Messenger 1.40b come from?  The last one I received was 1.40a.

V1.40b is on the web site, but it's unlikely that anybody here would
benefit from the single change that was made to it, so I haven't
distributed it via the mailing list.

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           David Robinson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Any chance we could have it back to where it was or at least
> > configurable?
>
> It is configurable.  All you have to do is place it where you want it and
> choose Display=>Save position from the menu.
>

Oops! So you can. Apologies.

I should always read the documentation.
I should always read the documentation.
I should always read the documentation.
...x100

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Philip Powell <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Would it be possible to have a more marked difference between the
> 'Read' and 'Replied' icons? Being slightly colour blind I can see no
> difference. To make it easier for me, I have simply flipped the
> 'messagerr' icon so that it a gives lefthanded tick.

I've drawn versions with a red 'R' in place of the tick, to make
it more obvious. I'm not colour blind, and I've always found the
difference a bit too subtle for my tastes.

I can send them to you if you want (high res only, because I'm
a lazy git).


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In message <[e-mail]>
          Mark Sawle <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           David Robinson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Any chance we could have it back to where it was or at least
> > configurable?
>
> It is configurable.  All you have to do is place it where you want it and
> choose Display=>Save position from the menu.

Ah. So loading the Res file into !ResEd, moving the window, saving
the Res file, was the wrong way to do it? :)

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Would it be possible to have a compromise on the new debatching message
protocol? Ie instead of one (set of) message(s) at the end of all
debatching, how about one per group? I often used to start reading one
group while others were still debatching.

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I just received am e-mail that had the following (incorrect) date field:

> Date: 06 Jun 00 20:23:26 +0000

Messenger popped up an error box saying "Bad time value", which seems
reasonable. However, given the approaching millenium, I would expect a
lot of invalid dates like this, at the turn of the century.

How will Messenger cope with this? Will it treat them as the year 2000
or as 1900?

Simon

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Samuel Penn <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Philip Powell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Would it be possible to have a more marked difference between the 'Read'
> > and 'Replied' icons? Being slightly colour blind I can see no difference.
> > To make it easier for me, I have simply flipped the 'messagerr' icon so
> > that it a gives lefthanded tick.
>
> I've drawn versions with a red 'R' in place of the tick, to make it more
> obvious. I'm not colour blind, and I've always found the difference a bit
> too subtle for my tastes.
>
> I can send them to you if you want (high res only, because I'm a lazy git).

Why don't you send them to Mark so he can see what they're like and
(possibly) add them into a future version of Messenger?

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Simon Callan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I just received am e-mail that had the following (incorrect) date field:
>
> > Date: 06 Jun 00 20:23:26 +0000
>
> Messenger popped up an error box saying "Bad time value", which seems
> reasonable. However, given the approaching millenium, I would expect a
> lot of invalid dates like this, at the turn of the century.
>
> How will Messenger cope with this? Will it treat them as the year 2000
> or as 1900?

I imagine that it should probably treat them in the same way as RiscOS.

Taken from Acorn's statement of 2000 conformity. (Rule 3)

    00 < year < 65 then assume 20xx

    67 < year < 99 then assume 19xx

Cross over point at which 2000 is added should be 26-Jan-66.00:00:00.

Whether this is what Messenger will do, I don't know. I doubt that I will
recieve an email from 1979 congratulating me on my birth ;-)


David McCormack
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          Steve Hennigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Since I upgraded to !Messenger 1.40b and !Newsbase 0.61 two days ago
> I have had the following occur.
> When my subscription to mailing lists (like this one) is processed, the
> list comes up in !Messenger showing 10/96. When I click on the mailing
> list to see my 10 new postings, all I get is a blank window and the 10/96
> changes to 0/96. I have to then change my setting to see all emails to
> try and find the new ones. It changes all the emails to 'read' so it's
> almost impossible to find the new ones.
> I have tried rebuilding the indexes and this has had no effect.
>
>

Yup

I have eactly the same problem. Happens to all my mailing lists.  And it
happened to one of the c.s.a.newsgroups too. Can't rememeber which one
though sorry.

Reindexing hasn't helped.


--
Carol Carpenter
Home : [e-mail]   http://www.nocturnal.demon.co.uk/
Work : [e-mail]  Software Manager - Barnet College - Herts EN54AZ
                        PGP Key available on request
...Everyone has a scheme that will not work.

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From: Ian Cripps <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: My new mailing list mail disappears!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Organization: RiscPC-SA on my desktop
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Carol Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Steve Hennigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Since I upgraded to !Messenger 1.40b and !Newsbase 0.61 two days ago
> > I have had the following occur.
> > When my subscription to mailing lists (like this one) is processed, the
> > list comes up in !Messenger showing 10/96. When I click on the mailing
> > list to see my 10 new postings, all I get is a blank window and the 10/96
> > changes to 0/96. I have to then change my setting to see all emails to
> > try and find the new ones. It changes all the emails to 'read' so it's
> > almost impossible to find the new ones.
> > I have tried rebuilding the indexes and this has had no effect.
> >
> >
>
> Yup
>
> I have eactly the same problem. Happens to all my mailing lists.  And it
> happened to one of the c.s.a.newsgroups too. Can't rememeber which one
> though sorry.
>
> Reindexing hasn't helped.
>
>

Yes same problem here (well with mailing list anyway), the way I could fix
the problem was downgrade to 0.60m (with Meessenger 1.40b).  It's seems the
email got lost in somewhere in filtering but Messager updates display correct
(until you in the folder and directorys themself (on hd) the files are
missing

Weird!

Cheers


Ian

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From: Mark Sawle <[e-mail]>
To: messenger-l
Subject: PGP decryption bug
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I've just discovered a problem with the current version of Messenger, with
regard to decrypting PGP messages.  If you attempt to display an encrypted
message, Messenger will ask you for your pass phrase and decrypt it, but
will then fail to display it.

The work around is to enter your pass phrase and select the 'Remember
until logout' option.  Although this first attempt will fail, it will work
the next time you try it.

I suspect that this is a Toolbox bug rather than a bug in Messenger, but
I'll amend Messenger to cope with it.

--
Mark Sawle                    [e-mail]
Robinson College, Cambridge   [e-mail]

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I just got round to upgrading (from 1.30 or possibly worse) and I
have to say it's pretty amazing what's gone into Messenger.

In particular, many thanks for implementing the 'scoring' idea.

It rocks!

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From: Tony Houghton <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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I just got a postmortem in 1.40a, it whizzed by so I didn't see it, I've
enabled error redirection in case it happens again.

The sequence of events was:

Search a mailing list for an article using "in-built" version of
NewsFind.

Reply to that article.

Debatch some new mail while editing the reply.

Close the folder/display windows because the debatch brought them to the
front.

Finish the reply and click Send.

After inserting the message into the queue it crashed.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hello !

I have the following problems :

I generated a few mailinglists this evening.
- - Created a Folder called Messenger
- - Set Up a Mailing List with the
Name Messenger, Folder.Messenger, and Adress
[e-mail]

What I want to do know is this :
I have a Mail in another Folder, maybe Incoming.
I want this Message to be copied in the Folder Messenger, but it doesnt
work.

I cannot access this Folder anymore.

How can I Copy (or move) it there ?

Next question :
Is it possible to add a Display which shows the new Messages ?
I think its awfull, if u get a new message but u dont know where it is !

So, maybe if we go to the display-Command (Unread, Read, All Messages)
that there appears a NEW and an Old-button, too ?

3rd question :
If I click on PGP_Keyring I get a nice window.
But only the left side is on, I can Add keys there (It works), generate
keys and list keys (In Taskwindow)
But what is with the right side of the window ?
How can I access that ?
There are menues like View, Edit, Extract, Remove.
Are the commands implemented yet ?

Another question to PGP :
U can get the sources to PGP 5.0 freely, so it is possible to compile it
and use it in Messenger ?

Thanks for answers.

AndreWas

Andreas Weise
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.arcsite.de/hp/rc5

Andrewas #gag #acorn

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hello !

I got this :

Messenger has detected an internal inconsistency, Please report this to
the author quoting reference "00017"

What happens now ?

 AndreWas
Andreas Weise
mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.arcsite.de/hp/rc5

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From: Philip Powell <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mailing list and folders
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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X-Organization: Sharp Edge
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In message <[e-mail]>
          AndreWas <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hello !
>
>I have the following problems :
>
>I generated a few mailinglists this evening.
>- Created a Folder called Messenger
>- Set Up a Mailing List with the
>Name Messenger, Folder.Messenger, and Adress
>[e-mail]
>
For that particular example I have:

When... sender = owner-messenger-l@locutus,demon.co.uk
or      sender = owner-msgrbinary@locutus,demon.co.uk

Then... redirect Folder.Messenger

> What I want to do know is this : I have a Mail in another Folder,
> maybe Incoming. I want this Message to be copied in the Folder
> Messenger, but it doesnt work.
>
Have you set the 'redirect' option as above?

>I cannot access this Folder anymore.
>

Have you 'subscribed' to the new folder 'Messenger' from
Messenger=>Misc=>Subscription... ?

>How can I Copy (or move) it there ?
>
If you can now open the folder but have some messages in the wrong
place (Incoming Mail) you can Select then SHIFT/DRAG them to the right
place (Folder.Messenger).

<SNIP>

>3rd question :
>If I click on PGP_Keyring I get a nice window.
>But only the left side is on, I can Add keys there (It works), generate
>keys and list keys (In Taskwindow)
>But what is with the right side of the window ?
>How can I access that ?
>There are menues like View, Edit, Extract, Remove.
>Are the commands implemented yet ?
>
Yes - but you have to have a key displayed in the righthand side. If
you do, click on a key and the menus along the bottom become active.

HTH
--
Philip Powell
Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland
to The Cheviot
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From: Stewart Brodie <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
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I've just had a problem sending an e-mail with a single text file
attachment.  Apart from a quoted-printable encoding being applied
to the second part (which may just be down to it having long lines
in), the headers read as follows:

>From Stewart Brodie <[e-mail]> Thu Jun 11 20:01:17 1998
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From: Stewart Brodie <[e-mail]>
To: [I have deleted the recipient list]
Subject: Review for specification
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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The two MIME-Version and three Content-Type headers appear to confuse Marcel
which believes the first one, it would seem.



--
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Acorn Computers Ltd
Acorn House, 645 Newmarket Road
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From: Thomas Harris <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Corrupted downloads
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I've been getting quite a lot of corrupted UUE attatchments, mainly of
programs in argonet.acorn.binaries and other binary groups, using a NewsHound
transport system. Does anyone know why, or if not how to ask for an article
to be refetched? Is there a facility within Messenger to refetch an article,
and if not, would it be possible for one to be added, in the vein of "Fetch
Body"?

TTFN, Thomas
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From: Paul Jefferies <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Corrupted downloads
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> I've been getting quite a lot of corrupted UUE attatchments, mainly of
> programs in argonet.acorn.binaries and other binary groups, using a NewsHound
> transport system. Does anyone know why, or if not how to ask for an article
> to be refetched? Is there a facility within Messenger to refetch an article,
> and if not, would it be possible for one to be added, in the vein of "Fetch
> Body"?

The workaround that I use is to:-
Control/J with the message on the screen
Then F3
Mark for whole message
Save it and then drop it on Attacher

!Attacher can be found at http://www.bramber.demon.co.uk/john/soft.html

Regards

Paul


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From: Brian Howlett <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Read/Unread
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail]
X-Organization: Not very, actually
X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS
X-Computer: Acorn RiscPC/SA-110/RO3.70/32MBDRAM+2MBVRAM
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I have noticed (using Messenger v1.40a) that if I read a mesage and then
copy it to another folder, if I later re-read the message in the second
folder, and change its status to unread, it then re-appears in its
original folder as unread as well.

Is this correct? Previous versions allowed the status of messages to be
independent of where they were filed, AFAIR.
--
Brian Howlett
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To: [e-mail]
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Brian Howlett <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I have noticed (using Messenger v1.40a) that if I read a mesage and then
> copy it to another folder, if I later re-read the message in the second
> folder, and change its status to unread, it then re-appears in its
> original folder as unread as well.

I noticed that happening once.

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From: Marble <[e-mail]>
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Hi,
Please excuse me if this is already possible; I haven't
been using Messenger long.

Is it possible to 'watch' a thread with messenger? I've
been using a PC for net access until recently (couldn't
get connect or freedial to work - I'm here courtesy of
Socketeer now, but please spare MattB the hate-mail ;)

Watching a thread basically downloads all new messages in
the thread without having to explicitly mark them. I still
find the icons and 112/136 number thingies confusing, more
because my old program had separate columns for each
meaning, in which an icon was either present or not. (ie.
'body present' and 'read' had separate icons, as did
'locked' and 'watching thread').

Ideally I'd like o be able to specify a wildcarded string
of subjects/senders etc (like the filter set-up in
newsbase), so I could (for example) automatically retrieve
all 'GotW' related discussion in comp.lang.c++.moderated.

Thanks for listening,
A.

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From: Tony Houghton <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Marble <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Ideally I'd like o be able to specify a wildcarded string
> of subjects/senders etc (like the filter set-up in
> newsbase), so I could (for example) automatically retrieve
> all 'GotW' related discussion in comp.lang.c++.moderated.

NewsHound can do that, but you have to edit its Rules file, you can't
choose threads etc for it in Messenger.

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From: Chris Manning <[e-mail]>
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Messenger seems to kill the global clipboard, e.g. I can no longer paste
between Zap and OvationPro when Messenger's running (the Wimp_TransferBlock
message seems to disappear into a black hole).

Is anyone else suffering from this?



Chris

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In message <[e-mail]>
          johnnews <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I just got round to upgrading (from 1.30 or possibly worse) and I
> have to say it's pretty amazing what's gone into Messenger.
>
> In particular, many thanks for implementing the 'scoring' idea.
>
> It rocks!

1.40 is very nice, and though I think I like the idea of
Scoring, I can't seem to get it to work - I'm not sure whether
it's my implementation of what I'm trying to do, or whether
I misunderstand what Scoring does.

What I'd like to do, is for threads to which I've replied
to be listed first. I've added a scoring rule called 'My Threads',
which applies to all groups '*', and if a match occurs, the
score is increased by one.

The matching criteria is 'From' '[e-mail]'

Now, when viewing a group, and choosing 'sort by score', it doesn't
sort threads with my posts first (or last).

Is what I want to do possible, and if so, have I gone about it
the right way? The help file does say that it works with threads,
so I'm a little bit confused,,,

What would be _really_ nice, if it could instead of adding a score,
highlight the thread. So say, I could have all threads I've replied
to in red or something. Would make trying to keep track of which
threads I've been posting in (and am interested in seeing replies)
much easier in particularly large newsgroups.

Also, what's not quite clear, is whether or not read messages are
included in a thread's score. So if the above _did_ work, would
a thread, which I'd replied to, but which I'd read my replies still
have its score incremented?

Anyway, any help greatly appreciated.

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Newsbase seems to have become confused and every time I startup
Messenger/Newsbase reports this. I now seem to have to expire manually. Have
I upset it somehow? Can I reset a status file somewhere?

Using Newsbase 60l.

TIA.

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[snip]

While we're on this topic:

If an article is being displayed in a window and you mark it as unread
by pressing Ctrl-U (input focus in message window), only the small icon
in the overview window is updated to reflect this, whereas the
read/unread icon of the message window itself isn't changed. If you
click on this now, the two icons are toggled, the one from unread to
read, the other one from read to unread and v.v.


Cheers,

  Richard

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From: Martin Tillman <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Chris Manning <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Messenger seems to kill the global clipboard, e.g. I can no longer paste
> between Zap and OvationPro when Messenger's running (the
> Wimp_TransferBlock message seems to disappear into a black hole).

> Is anyone else suffering from this?

Sort of.  I get 'File not found' from OvPro when I try to paste from the
clipboard with Messenger loaded.  Quit Messenger and it's fine.

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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Newsbase seems to have become confused and every time I startup
> Messenger/Newsbase reports this. I now seem to have to expire manually. Have
> I upset it somehow? Can I reset a status file somewhere?
>
> Using Newsbase 60l.

FWIW I get this too, it is quite annoying. Do I have to reinstall
NewsDir or reset some file?

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Stephen Sloan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
> > Newsbase seems to have become confused and every time I startup
> > Messenger/Newsbase reports this. I now seem to have to expire manually. Have
> > I upset it somehow? Can I reset a status file somewhere?
> >
> > Using Newsbase 60l.
>
> FWIW I get this too, it is quite annoying. Do I have to reinstall
> NewsDir or reset some file?
>

Have you got 'automatic expiry' and 'news' checked in the 'news and mail
storage' opition in newsbase, it may have lost previous configuratons when
you last upgraded newsbase.

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From: Dr Charles McEvoy <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Stephen Sloan <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>
>> Newsbase seems to have become confused and every time I startup
>> Messenger/Newsbase reports this. I now seem to have to expire manually.
>> Have I upset it somehow? Can I reset a status file somewhere?
>>
>> Using Newsbase 60l.
>
> FWIW I get this too, it is quite annoying. Do I have to reinstall NewsDir
> or reset some file?

No - the problem is with NB 0.60l - upgrade to m and all shall be well...
Cheers,
    Charles.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I have a couple of mail redirection accounts set up with various people, to
provide a variety of different aliases for my one address. I give different
accounts to different people, making the mail easy to sort etc. when it
arrives.

The problem I have is with a play-by-email group I play with - I have their
mailing list set up as such within NB/Messenger - I use a different address
with them than with the rest of my mail, and I would like that address in the
"from:" line of the mail that I post to that list. Is there any way of
setting up a mailing list so that it uses a different from: line than the
other stuff?

I sometimes wish /very much/ that newsbase had as sophisticated filters for
/outgoing/ mail/news as it does for incoming messages :-)

TIA,
Thomas
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From: Rachel Greenham <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Dr Charles McEvoy <[e-mail]> wrote:

> No - the problem is with NB 0.60l - upgrade to m and all shall be well...
> Cheers,

Actually it happened to me a couple of times over the last few days and I
*am* on 0.60m.

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From: Marble <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
          Tony Houghton <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Marble <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Ideally I'd like o be able to specify a wildcarded string
> > of subjects/senders etc (like the filter set-up in
> > newsbase), so I could (for example) automatically retrieve
> > all 'GotW' related discussion in comp.lang.c++.moderated.
>
> NewsHound can do that, but you have to edit its Rules file, you can't
> choose threads etc for it in Messenger.

Ahh, great. Thanks for that.
Now, is there anyway to get Messenger to display threads with unread
messages in differently, or at least to get it to use the most recent
article date as the one to sort with? (I have it sorting by date so
that newer stuff is near the top, but unless I lose threading, that
doesn't work so well).

Also, is it possible to get rid of the 'Full article requested on...'
messages if I now have the full articles? (Automatically, I mean)

TIA,
A.

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From: [e-mail] (Tom Lawton)
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Hi,

> Newsbase seems to have become confused and every time I startup
> Messenger/Newsbase reports this. I now seem to have to expire manually. Have
> I upset it somehow? Can I reset a status file somewhere?

I had this a lot - the problem is that once it happens, NewsBase doesn't
rectify the problem by resetting itself - so it's a loop and it just carries
on happening.

 There seems to be a bug in the expiry code generally (as well as the loop),
because even though my policy is set to "run immediately" when overdue, it
only runs expiries at midnight. So if I don't use the computer at midnight
for 5 days - it starts again (as I write, the last expiry was at 00:00 15
Jun)

 Anyway, the short term solution is to stamp !Newsdir.news (the directory -
using the filer), the date and time of which !newsbase uses to tell when it
was last expired. The filer will helpfully start stamping every file within
the directory - so just click abort as it has already stamped the directory
you're interested in.

 For a long term solution, whinge. :)

 Tom



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In message <[e-mail]>
          Rachel Greenham <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Dr Charles McEvoy <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > No - the problem is with NB 0.60l - upgrade to m and all shall be well...
> > Cheers,
>
> Actually it happened to me a couple of times over the last few days and I
> *am* on 0.60m.
>

I am using NB 0.60m and can *only* get it do an expiry from the Icon Bar
option no matter what options I set in the Control Panel.

With Expiry set to 12 days I still have postings 18 days old being displayed
in Messenger 1.40a and the threads seem to be mixed up.

NewsDir appears to be corrupted, it has files typed as &004 which on my
machine is supposed to be an AIM graphics file ?

I had to clean up the Newsgroups once before because of corrupted index and
overview files. Have I upset everything by deleting the old out of sequence
files/directories and forcing Newsbase to rebuild the index and overview
files by deleting them ?

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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Chris Manning <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Messenger seems to kill the global clipboard, e.g. I can no longer paste
> > between Zap and OvationPro when Messenger's running (the
> > Wimp_TransferBlock message seems to disappear into a black hole).
>
> > Is anyone else suffering from this?
>
> Sort of.  I get 'File not found' from OvPro when I try to paste from the
> clipboard with Messenger loaded.  Quit Messenger and it's fine.
>

Could be - I cannot use the global clipboard or drag n drop between
OvationPro and StrongEd while Messenger is on the Icon Bar.

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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>In message <[e-mail]>
>          Stephen Sloan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:
>>
>>> Newsbase seems to have become confused and every time I startup
>>> Messenger/Newsbase reports this. I now seem to have to expire manually.
>>> Have I upset it somehow? Can I reset a status file somewhere?
>>>
>>> Using Newsbase 60l.
>>
>> FWIW I get this too, it is quite annoying. Do I have to reinstall NewsDir
>> or reset some file?
>
>No - the problem is with NB 0.60l - upgrade to m and all shall be well...
>Cheers,
Just downloaded and no difference - still getting the same message :-(

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Would it be possible to have an option on the 'Send reply by
mail' and 'Post followup to newsgroup' dialogues to toggle the
action of snipping .sig files?

On occasion I like to comment on the content of the .sig, or the
person has forwarded a message below their .sig and I then have
to use the global clipboard to copy this into Zap and indent it.

Regards,
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Messenger is definately doing something to foul up how this SWI works, as its
just crashed my machine completely. (And this is without Messenger being
referenced in it anywhere)

David
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From: Bob de Jong <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>> Newsbase seems to have become confused and every time I startup
>> Messenger/Newsbase reports this. I now seem to have to expire manually. Have
>> I upset it somehow? Can I reset a status file somewhere?
>
>I had this a lot - the problem is that once it happens, NewsBase doesn't
>rectify the problem by resetting itself - so it's a loop and it just carries
>on happening.
>
> There seems to be a bug in the expiry code generally (as well as the loop),
>because even though my policy is set to "run immediately" when overdue, it
>only runs expiries at midnight. So if I don't use the computer at midnight
>for 5 days - it starts again (as I write, the last expiry was at 00:00 15
>Jun)
>
> Anyway, the short term solution is to stamp !Newsdir.news (the directory -
>using the filer), the date and time of which !newsbase uses to tell when it
>was last expired. The filer will helpfully start stamping every file within
>the directory - so just click abort as it has already stamped the directory
>you're interested in.
>
> For a long term solution, whinge. :)
>
Worked a treat - so every 5 days - no I will not whinge because even with
this "feature" I still think it is an excellent prog.

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Can we have a menu on the posting dialogue box to select the signature
to be used?

Thanks to Mark for a excellent program.

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Malcolm Boura <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Can we have a menu on the posting dialogue box to select the signature
> to be used?

I second this suggestion. There are times when a certain sig is required, and
it is a bit of a faf to do, otherwise.

TTFN, Thomas

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Alisdair McDiarmid <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Would it be possible to have an option on the 'Send reply by
> mail' and 'Post followup to newsgroup' dialogues to toggle the
> action of snipping .sig files?
>
> On occasion I like to comment on the content of the .sig, or the
> person has forwarded a message below their .sig and I then have
> to use the global clipboard to copy this into Zap and indent it.

Also on message forwarding - web site addresses frequently seem to be quoted
in the signature.

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From: Darren Salt <[e-mail]>
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In message <[e-mail]>
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> Would it be possible to have an option on the 'Send reply by mail' and
> 'Post followup to newsgroup' dialogues to toggle the action of snipping
> .sig files?

...and would it be possible to ignore ^F (followup), or at least treat it as
^R, where it isn't relevant?

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In message <[e-mail]> you wrote:

> Can we have a menu on the posting dialogue box to select the
signature
> to be used?
Yes, I'd find that useful, too.

>
> Thanks to Mark for a excellent program.
Ditto.

Bob

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In message <[e-mail]>
          Thomas Harris <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Malcolm Boura <[e-mail]> wrote:

> > Can we have a menu on the posting dialogue box to select the signature
> > to be used?

> I second this suggestion. There are times when a certain sig is required,
> and it is a bit of a faf to do, otherwise.

I just have my 3 signatures set up in ZapEmail and bypass Messenger's
sigging. A few clicks on "ADD .sig" and I get the one I want.

G
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In message <[e-mail]>
  Graham Crockford <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In message <[e-mail]>
>           Thomas Harris <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> In message <[e-mail]>
>>           Malcolm Boura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> Can we have a menu on the posting dialogue box to select the signature to
>>> be used?
>> I second this suggestion. There are times when a certain sig is required,
>> and it is a bit of a faf to do, otherwise.

> I just have my 3 signatures set up in ZapEmail and bypass Messenger's
> sigging.

My setup consists of two mappings files, four .sigs files, and 56 .sigs ;-)

> A few clicks on "ADD .sig" and I get the one I want.

Usually I'll settle for the one chosen at random... and anyway, I'm not
likely to use Messenger's .sigs code when I have my own. Of course, should
Messenger become sig-nificantly more flexible, I may reconsider...

BTW, if you want to have ZapEmail make use of NewsDir, then edit
!ZapEmail.!Setup by pointing ZapEmail$Signatures at "<UserHome$Dir>" and move
your signatures across.

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In message <[e-mail]>
          David Hobson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Messenger is definately doing something to foul up how this SWI works, as
> its just crashed my machine completely. (And this is without Messenger
> being referenced in it anywhere)

Are you using a StrongARM-ed machine?  Are you running the ROM patches?

--
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> Hi!
>
> Just a question concerning attachments:
> Would it be possible to implement the "/xxx"->".xxx" conversion?
> That would be really helpful.
> Perhaps it could be realized using some option in the attachments-pane to
> switch conversion on/off.

I raise my hand for a 'mee too' request...

Thanks

Maurizio
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

If I try to read a PGP encrypted message when my passphrase
hasn't been remembered, Messenger takes my passphrase, verifies
it and closes the message window. I have to then open the
message again.

Also, the references submenu of the threads menu no longer works
for me, and there are never any replies listed /ever/.
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Illusion Software      \   <http://www.illusion.co.uk/software/>
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Stewart Brodie <[e-mail]> wrote:

> > Messenger is definately doing something to foul up how this SWI works, as
> > its just crashed my machine completely. (And this is without Messenger
> > being referenced in it anywhere)

> Are you using a StrongARM-ed machine?  Are you running the ROM patches?

Yes and yes. The trouble seems to only occour with Messenger - anything else
calling Wimp_Transferblock works fine, load Messenger and the machine decides
to freeze up completely. Maybe its really the toolbox at fault?

David

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At the office I have PGP set up, but I leave my machine and apps
loaded continuously -- I also have the pass phrase for PGP "remembered".

Which means that after I go home someone could post from my machine
with my PGP signature.

I'm not paranoid, I doubt anyone would bother. However it raises a
question of security in places where it might be important. Perhaps
an optional timeout on holding the pass phrase would be "A Good Thing"(tm).

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In message <[e-mail]>
  Steve Turnbull <[e-mail]> wrote:

> At the office I have PGP set up, but I leave my machine and apps loaded
> continuously -- I also have the pass phrase for PGP "remembered".

Reasonable behaviour...

> Which means that after I go home someone could post from my machine with my
> PGP signature.

You do at least log out, and have a password for your user ID? (Not that that
offers much security...)

> I'm not paranoid, I doubt anyone would bother. However it raises a question
> of security

Oh yes. Simply leaving your machine with your private key in a readable state
raises a security question. Even putting it on a floppy and taking it with
you isn't as secure as it might be - you might forget or lose it, or even
leave it at home...!

> in places where it might be important. Perhaps an optional timeout on
> holding the pass phrase would be "A Good Thing"(tm).

Good idea, though it probably offers significantly more peace of mind than
security...

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In uk.education.teachers I came across a posting:
"Agent has this nice anti-foot-in-mouth feature that asks you if you
 REALLY want to send a reply to ALL the groups.  Makes it too easy."

A friend has confirmed this for me:
"Agent does has an option for replying to cross-posted messages
 enabling you to reply to one or all of the cross-posted groups. This
 is quite handy!"

Would it be possible (desirable) for such an option to be incorporated
in Messenger - yes, I know one should look at the To line before
posting but it is easy enough to forget (-:

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I just created a taglines file, but it didn't take effect until I
quitted and reloaded Messenger.

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I have the feeling that the 'Message' sub-menu is getting just a little bit
too large - its occupying over 3/4 of the vertical part of the screen in
quite a few modes now, and I think it now has a cluttered approach, rather than
a functional one. What do others think though?

David

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Hi,

    I have very recently downloaded Messenger 1.40b, and Newbase 0.60m, but
when I open an message window, all messages are setting "Read", I have
retrieved the 1.34c version for this time.

    Jacques.

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